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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,452 Senior Member
    The problem with automotive, and other, engineers is just that. There's more than one on each project and they don't talk to one another. This leads to stupidity like multiple fastener types/styles when it isn't necessary and is actually counterproductive in the assembly process. The solution is really simple, though. Don't allow anything but fasteners with hex head or torx heads and make the engineers choose the right ones for the application, after, and ONLY AFTER, they've been down on the assembly line and consulted with the people doing the assembling. An engineer should, BY LAW, only be able to get to the design department after spending a minimum of two years on the assembly line. That way the smart ones would develop a distinct hatred for stupid engineers, and make their lives miserable.
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,249 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    The problem with automotive, and other, engineers is just that. There's more than one on each project and they don't talk to one another. This leads to stupidity like multiple fastener types/styles when it isn't necessary and is actually counterproductive in the assembly process. The solution is really simple, though. Don't allow anything but fasteners with hex head or torx heads and make the engineers choose the right ones for the application, after, and ONLY AFTER, they've been down on the assembly line and consulted with the people doing the assembling. An engineer should, BY LAW, only be able to get to the design department after spending a minimum of two years on the assembly line. That way the smart ones would develop a distinct hatred for stupid engineers, and make their lives miserable.

    I can agree with that.

    One of the biggest problems I encounter with engineers are depth of blind tapped holes, forgetting that if it really is close to the bottom "Z" we'll usually have to surface grind a tap to meet their call outs. And that's a real pain in the butt. As long as there's enough depth to the part to allow 2-3 full 180 thread turns, there's not much reason to call out a closer depth.

    They always forget about the lead in in a tap. Which will punch through a small part. So...we grind a lot of $15 taps down to produce a hole depth that really has no meaning at all.

    But, I work to FDA specs every day. That's why you, as patients, pay $10 grand for a $300 part.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,249 Senior Member
    Someday, I'd love to machine something (anything) that wasn't inspected by the FDA.

    That would be fun.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Try working to aircraft specifications sometime. Those guys are downright anal about anything, including bolts and nuts, that comes anywhere close to an airplane! If it involves anything more technical than wiping up oil drips and counting the number of turns on a piece of safety wire, the poor A&P mechanic has to send the whole works back to the factory!
    Jerry
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    SIGgal wrote: »
    Is that bad????? Lol


    Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk

    Well, not unless you don't mind leaks,:rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao:

    Actually, depending on where you drilled the hole it could cause the roof to start rotting. Thou shalt not drill on the roof! Now on the face of the eaves yes, I always drill the trim board to mount Christmas lights and such, but never drill on the top. Not good...
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    YES!!!!! Engineers....are you listening?

    AND......if threaded, use as large a fastener as space can possibly allow.

    Before I realized I knew enough to bitch out a degreed mechanical engineer, I tapped a #2 fine thread 1" deep into 304 SST.
    And he had 2" clearance all around, totally unused.

    We both learned something that day....I'll never hesitate to point out the path of righteousness to the ignorant, and he'll never piss off a toolmaker...

    Mike

    I'm NOT an Engineer ( I like to pronounce that word with a soft G, cause it pisses em off so nicely) nor have I been to engineer's classes while in college. But I know for a fact, don't ask me how I know, but I know for a fact they give them a course in efficiency. In other words they stress using the smallest, cheapest parts they can get away with. They need to save money ya know! This more often results in a project that is UNDER BUILT! And whatever it is will FAIL at some point!!! But do not attempt to convince a new engineer(Soft G in Place!) that he/ Yes and sometimes SHE should use something a bit more substantial than what his/her calculations indicate. They are very hard headed and learn ONLY by experience.

    :rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,949 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Well, not unless you don't mind leaks,:rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao:

    Actually, depending on where you drilled the hole it could cause the roof to start rotting. Thou shalt not drill on the roof! Now on the face of the eaves yes, I always drill the trim board to mount Christmas lights and such, but never drill on the top. Not good...

    Yep - she drilled right from the bottom of the eave then threaded the hook in. I was able to reach on top of the roof and feel the tip of the thread...

    "Congratulations, you just drilled a hole in the roof!" I said. Which is NOT what you say to a woman who was VERY PROUD of the job she had done - it took at least an hour to get the waterworks stopped and her convinced that it could be fixed...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Now and then you will find an engineer that will figure this out for him/herself. These are very rare, but they do come along now and then. Usually they had a dad or a wise old uncle that taught them well. When you see one like that, you know he/she will never go very far up the ladder because all the stupid ones float to the top! The ones capable of making decisions that make a piece of equipment efficient or safe and actually making the company money are kept down on a level where they can use his/her talents. I've actually known a couple like this and if you check it out you'll find they're making more money than most in Management. CEOs and Stockholders ain't stupid!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,249 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Try working to aircraft specifications sometime. Those guys are downright anal about anything, including bolts and nuts, that comes anywhere close to an airplane! If it involves anything more technical than wiping up oil drips and counting the number of turns on a piece of safety wire, the poor A&P mechanic has to send the whole works back to the factory!
    Jerry

    Which makes the scheduler and bean counters gnash their teeth and cuss like a machinist...LOL.....

    Serves em right.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Yep - she drilled right from the bottom of the eave then threaded the hook in. I was able to reach on top of the roof and feel the tip of the thread...

    "Congratulations, you just drilled a hole in the roof!" I said. Which is NOT what you say to a woman who was VERY PROUD of the job she had done - it took at least an hour to get the waterworks stopped and her convinced that it could be fixed...

    Just being a husband can be simple, being a good husband with the talent to read and calm emotions is more difficult than Missile Surgery.

    :rotflmao::rotflmao::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,949 Senior Member
    snake284 wrote: »
    Just being a husband can be simple, being a good husband with the talent to read and calm emotions is more difficult than Missile Surgery.

    I've been married to this one for 33 years now - its an adventure. Its a tough job, but somebody's gotta do it!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    shush wrote: »
    It now appears friend orifice may be coming sometime this week to ask to borrow the scaffold tower , Mrs.Shush told me whilst taking her to the airport;
    "Now, play nicely" said She.

    But being that my young bride is off on her travels all of this week, (some poor group of misbegotten foreign chaps are going to get a right ear bashing, in their own lingo too she speaks this one).

    I just may take this opportunity to enlighten aperture face the meaning of "Cold day in Hell"

    In a good christian, play nicely way sort of way, of course.







    Now pet, I would have been fair mazed if you did, mind.







    There you go mate, anything to oblige.




    In the early Cyrillic alphabet maybe.



    Thank you, you are a true scholar.

    Shush, don't they teach you Limeys anything in school? You don't know a G from a C!

    :rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao::roll2::rotflmao:
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,949 Senior Member
    SIGgal wrote: »
    God bless you Zorba! I've been with my boyfriend for 6 years, and I can't stand him sometimes lol. 33 years is a long time, but it's wonderful to stay with your soulmate :)

    I tell her that the average jail time for murder 1 is 15 years, I'd already be out by now! :roll2:

    But seriously, I wouldn't trade her for the world!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JasonMPDJasonMPD Senior Member Posts: 6,557 Senior Member
    Tough lesson.

    Cain't borrow my tools, my money, nor my woman.
    “There are three kinds of men. The one that learns by reading. The few who learn by observation. The rest of them have to pee on the electric fence for themselves.” – Will Rogers
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,452 Senior Member
    Linefinder wrote: »
    Someday, I'd love to machine something (anything) that wasn't inspected by the FDA.

    That would be fun.

    Mike

    FDA.........................I have an old acronym for that fedgov organization, but it isn't politically correct, and the autocensor would get the vapors if I typed it in and hit the POST button! :roll2:
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