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Health Care Bewilderment

bisleybisley Senior MemberPosts: 10,788 Senior Member
I am sick of the hoops that Republicans are trying to jump through on this issue. Repeal and Replace??? Horse****!!!!!!

Republicans campaigned on repeal, for years, before the wishy-washy RINOS managed to turn it into repeal and replace. Of course they cannot agree on which version of Obamacare Lite to vote for...because it is a disaster that was never intended to work. It was always intended to be a stepping stone to single payer government administrated health care that would wreck the economy and turn middle class taxpayers into slaves of the state.

Any plan that forces insurance companies to cover pre-existing conditions for all patients is unsustainable...period. The only way it can be included is to continue the exorbitant premiums and ridiculously high deductibles that turn it into nothing much more than what was formerly a catastrophic plan that paid very little (or nothing) on ordinary health care. The only way Republicans can leave it in a new bill is to offer deep discounts to anyone who will waive the pre-existing conditions clause for the first 3-6 months. That would be nothing more than a political trick that the Democrats could probably 'spin' to defeat it.

So, what to do? Democrats will demagogue any and all attempts to do anything, and in the process will probably succeed in convincing 50% of voters that the abject failure of Obamacare is the fault of racist Republicans. Republicans need to buck up and take all of their arrows, and do what they promised to do. But how?

They do it by forgetting all of these so-called 'comprehensive' bills that magically fix everything at once, because they cannot pass them. If they do, they are so watered down that they are easy targets for attack from every angle. They need to pass one small bill at a time, starting with anything that mandates the purchasing of insurance, which should have been eliminated by the Supreme Court, anyway. Then, do another small bill that neutralizes the pre-existing conditions, by putting that into a separate, high risk category, that doesn't excessively punish every taxpayer.

They repeal the parts of Obamacare that make it unsustainable for insurance companies, and put them back into competition with one another. They do this with one hard-fought bill after another. When that is done, they start fixing what was wrong with health care, before Obamacare. They can do these things while still carrying on with the other business of Congress. A handful of staffers can do the work and a handful of congress people can sell it to the people in a short run-up to a vote.

At some point, Democrats are going to have to do something besides obstruct. Republicans need to start picking them off by getting their support for some of the sensible bills that can be shown to help. It will still be a monumental political struggle, but it will pit left versus right, instead of moderate Republican vs conservative Republican, with the jackals on the left nipping at their heels for the whole process.

Just my uninformed opinion, of course.

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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Honestly, the smart thing for Democrats to do (politically) would be for Schumer to give permission to five senators to vote with Republicans to pass their Obamacare Lite bill. He could still crucify the Republicans with the many faults in the plan, and simply do the usual bait and switch when asked about the Dems that voted for it.

    Of course, the faults already existed in Obamacare, but since hypocrisy is the Democrat platform these days, he could still pin the entire Obamacare fiasco on the Republicans. Most Democrats would buy it, hook, line, and sinker, and quite a few unsophisticated Republicans would believe it, as well. It could be the jumping off point for single payer, once the Dems hold the reins again.

    The agony of this whole mess is that a functioning Congress could fix this with honest compromise. They have forgotten that an honest compromise does not mean that everyone is happy - it means that everyone is unhappy. Unfortunately, it takes two to tango, and the Dems are locked into a radical approach. They believed they were already at the 'end game' of turning the US into a socialist country. After electing Obama to a second term, they pulled out all of the 'stops.' They were premature, and their overconfidence led them to believe that the worst candidate that they could possibly choose could beat the second worst possible candidate. They were wrong (barely), and they haven't come to grips with it, yet. When clearer heads finally prevail, they will see that they have to spend a few more years 'boiling the frog' before he is finally cooked.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I find it difficult to believe that coverage of pre existing conditions is unsustainable. The insurance mofia is owned by wall street banks. Far as I can see, these banks have total control over the flow, the value, and the direction of all currency, with profit margins big enough to sustain anything they want.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    Before Obamacare most states had a high risk insurance pool to cover pre-existing conditions, works like the risky driver high risk insurance pool. It did cost more as it should. But the coverage was available.

    Now lets talk about the real cause of high cost of medical care.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,004 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Wait.
    You believed they would actually repeal and replace?
    Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    O-care is a bell that can't be un-rung, period, end of story.

    Yep. It was designed to fail, designed to cost us so much money and give such poor options on Healthcare that the American people will demand single payer socialized medicine.

    The Rs aren't going to change it, the Ds won't change it, and everyone thinks the Libertarians are crazy. We are screwed
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Wait.
    You believed they would actually repeal and replace?
    Bawhahahahahahahahahahahahaha!
    O-care is a bell that can't be un-rung, period, end of story.

    No bell can be un-rung! It's been rung and now we're all doomed. I'm afraid that all we're talking about here is prolonging our Ultimate Demise.

    However, I do have one glimmer of hope left. If Trump can get enough of all his promises done before midterms and he and congress can survive in Republican hands for 8 years, I think we will see at least 2 if not 3 more SCOTUS appointments. And if Trump does these appointments from what I've seen of his judgment of people til now, I think we will have a host of steadfast conservative leaning justices. This might breathe new life into the Republic and give it a new LEASE on life.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,392 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    I find it difficult to believe that coverage of pre existing conditions is unsustainable.

    WORD.

    That was one of the very few things about Obama care that I actually agreed with.

    Costs need to be contained by not subsidizing 10,000 percent profits - esp. by DME companies. The costs of DME are OBSCENE.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,387 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    WORD.

    That was one of the very few things about Obama care that I actually agreed with.

    Costs need to be contained by not subsidizing 10,000 percent profits - esp. by DME companies. The costs of DME are OBSCENE.

    Me too and I don't think any bill will fly without provisions for pre existing conditions. If it does, I think a bunch of law makers will be found to be in insurance companies and corporate America's pockets (like they aren't now).
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,788 Senior Member
    Like was said, above, pre-existing is covered through high risk pools, just as it was before Obamacare. That makes insurance affordable for those in low risk pools, if they even want insurance. I had none for ten years of fatherhood, and managed well enough. I just finally moved up the scale enough to afford it.

    About insurance companies - no, they won't go broke, but when their profits drop, they get out, so the result is the same. Obamacare ripped up everything they had learned from a century's worth of actuarial tables that they used to compute what rates to charge and still make the profit they wanted, and allowed them to adjust premiums to meet the competition. So, they just compensated by raising the prices enough to cover whatever happened. If it didn't cover it, they bailed out. That's an oversimplification, but logically, they had to have done it.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    I have used "urgent care" for minor things that still need looked at by a doctor, low cost, no waiting.
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