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Worlds smallest .45acp?

FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior MemberPosts: 5,797 Senior Member
I came accross this and thought it was a little interesting. It's kinda pricey and I'm pretty sure it would suck to shoot it but for a lightweight, in your pocket belly gun, it could get you out of a bind. And it's made in the USA!

www.heizerfirearms.com
snake284 wrote: »
For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • shootershooter Senior Member Posts: 1,186 Senior Member
    I don't think I would shoot that without a lanyard, a long lanyard. Just saying.
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  • wizard78wizard78 Senior Member Posts: 1,004 Senior Member
    In looking at the second video, that doesn't look as small as the old 45 backup. Granted the Backup isn't in production any more. My old backup was a handful but it was controllable and if I remember correctly, held 4 or 5 in the magazine as well as 1 in the barrel. I traded mine for a new Smith 642 because I was leery about parts availability. From my recollection, the 45 Backup was smaller than the Double Tap shown and would rank second to a 45 Backup.

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Interesting concept. I don't see any extractor or ejection mechanism and yet it says it "auto-ejects". I wonder how they do that? I don't like the fact that it seems the case head is totally unsuported...

    Probably when you open the action the brass is ejected.
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,794 Senior Member
    It's interesting, but not $500 interesting.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,300 Senior Member
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    My .45 Backup holds 5 in the mag and 1 in the chamber, and it will take a modified 1911 mag as a reload.

    1068945_Backup_hicap_002.jpg

    1068945_Backup_hicap_001.jpg

    I didn't have any problem keeping all my shots from the Backup on a standard silhouette target at the 50-foot indoor range where I used to shoot regularly. I doubt if that would happen with the Double Tap!
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,247 Senior Member
    The Semmerling is smaller in length and height, only slightly thicker, and holds 5 rounds.
    http://www.amderringer.com/lms.html
    LM4.jpg

    It is manually operated (rack slide by hand for each shot), and something like 10x more expensive, though.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    That's what I'm assuming too but I just don't see how.

    Like a Derringer or O/U shotgun upon opening the brass ejects. I don't know how it breaks open or if you have to twist the barrels.
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,247 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I REALLY wish someone would bring back the Detonics Combat Master... Hell I wish I still had mine :bang:
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    You do know that Detonics is back in Business again, right? And they are producing a Combat Master...

    http://www.detonicsdefense.com/#!products

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  • ghostsniper1ghostsniper1 Banned Posts: 2,645 Senior Member
    Just two rounds??? :uhm:
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,566 Senior Member
    :topic:In 9mm, this has my attention:
    http://www.rohrbaughfirearms.com/products
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  • mythaeusmythaeus Senior Member Posts: 831 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    That's what I'm assuming too but I just don't see how.

    See http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dDSOfVz__ks&feature=related (around 1:25 mark). It looks like auto-eject like of some double barrel shotguns.

    By the way, it also comes in 9mm.

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  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,590 Senior Member
    It's an interesting concept. If the price was better, neat.
    For my money, I'll give up 6 oz (14 vs. 20) and roll with a 5+1 capacity Kahr PM 45.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,300 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    I REALLY wish someone would bring back the Detonics Combat Master... Hell I wish I still had mine :bang:
    Here ya go...
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,231 Senior Member
    It's interesting, but not $500 interesting.

    Agreed. It reminds me of an updated two shot Liberator. Neat, small, overpriced.
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  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,954 Senior Member
    jbohio wrote: »
    It's an interesting concept. If the price was better, neat.
    For my money, I'll give up 6 oz (14 vs. 20) and roll with a 5+1 capacity Kahr PM 45.

    Ditto but with 25 ozs & 7+1 capacity



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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,444 Senior Member
    Think I'll pass. I already have a mini hand cannon in .44 Magnum from American Derringer Corp. It's the one on the bottom in the picture. One on top is .22 Mag.
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    It's a handful when shooting full power factory loads. If anybody is interested, I'll load up some mouse loads for it and bring it to the next shoot. Bring your own light leather glove to prevent perforating the web between thumb and index finger with the trigger spur. :nilly:
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  • HakkonenHakkonen Member Posts: 251 Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Think I'll pass. I already have a mini hand cannon in .44 Magnum from American Derringer Corp. It's the one on the bottom in the picture. One on top is .22 Mag.
    004-4.jpg
    It's a handful when shooting full power factory loads. If anybody is interested, I'll load up some mouse loads for it and bring it to the next shoot. Bring your own light leather glove to prevent perforating the web between thumb and index finger with the trigger spur. :nilly:

    A .44 Magnum derringer, you say? *boggles* I daresay it'd be quite handy for all the times you get mugged in a phone booth. ;)
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Why not a derringer chambered for a .44 short cartridge ????
    Stubby rimmed case length slightly shorter than an acp brass case ?
    750 FPS ?
    200 grain SWC ?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,444 Senior Member
    Hakkonen wrote: »
    A .44 Magnum derringer, you say? *boggles* I daresay it'd be quite handy for all the times you get mugged in a phone booth. ;)

    Got both of them in trades. Both had horrendously heavy trigger pulls. Neither possess that filthy trait now. :tooth:
    The .44 Mag. is not too bad with .44 Special loads and light bullets. I've got some gas checked solid nylon bullets around here somewhere that are of wadcutter profile. They have minimal recoil, are screaming fast, and short range projectiles. They came about when I was making some .44 Mag. snap caps, and had a bout of brain flatulence.
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  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    Can you elaborate on how you lightened up the trigger pull?
    My .38spl is so bad it almost takes 2 hands(well...)
    I understand that without a trigger guard you do not need a light trigger pull but the factory one is awful.
    Someone told me to pull more down than back and it seems to help, but it pulls your shots low.And for a gun thats minute of five gallon bucket it needs all the help it can get.
    I like to carry it as a bug in my riding vest pocket because without the trigger guard I can shoot it with gloves on which I can not do with my LCP.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,444 Senior Member
    gator wrote: »
    Can you elaborate on how you lightened up the trigger pull?
    My .38spl is so bad it almost takes 2 hands(well...)
    I understand that without a trigger guard you do not need a light trigger pull but the factory one is awful.
    Someone told me to pull more down than back and it seems to help, but it pulls your shots low.And for a gun thats minute of five gallon bucket it needs all the help it can get.
    I like to carry it as a bug in my riding vest pocket because without the trigger guard I can shoot it with gloves on which I can not do with my LCP.

    The two I have had the same defects. The hammer spring was entirely too strong for its intended purpose, and the hammer and sear surfaces were rough and unpolished. I first polished the hammer and sear mating surfaces to a bright smooth finish. This done, I shortened the hammer spring, reassembling and testing along the way, until I had lightened the trigger pull considerably, and still got reliable firing. The hammer spring is the real culprit in regards to the heavy trigger pull.
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  • gatorgator Senior Member Posts: 1,746 Senior Member
    Thank you sir looks like I got a bit of smithing to do.
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