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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Yep. They can repeal funding for Obamacare, but they can't repeal the mandates without 60 votes, so to undo the damage it has caused, they have to change that rule back to the way it was intended to be. That would be great, unless the Dems win both houses of Congress. But, nothing can be accomplished with the 60 vote rule, as long as the socialists dominate the Democrat Party. That rule guarantees gridlock, which guarantees lazy-ass Congressmen who don't even try to pass anything.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,561 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    The government can't pay for single payer so you taxpayers will have to pay. get ready for your taxes to go way up, at least double.
    One way or another, taxpayers pay for everything the government does. Either now or later.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,561 Senior Member
    20% of our economy is the healthcare industry. Someone has to pay for it. You either pay in taxes or you pay in insurance plus out of pocket costs.
    Not arguing that, just pointing out that pretty much all government money comes from taxpayers, one way or the other....
    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,193 Senior Member
    The biggest problem - as I see it - are completely out of control healthcare costs. Doctors make entirely too much money, DME companies are almost printing it themselves, and don't get me started on Big Pharma.

    And people want the Gov't to SUBSIDIZE this?

    I don't think so!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    As I listen to the news coverage of this I keep picturing the animated donkey at the introduction of the old Hee Haw tv show.

    Hee Haw!
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,193 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Again I'll ask...how much should a Dr be paid?

    Let's put it another way: Why does it cost me $100/visit to see the Doc? Yea, a lot of it could be assuaged by tort reform, and reduced a lot more by DME, Big Pharma, etc, etc being reigned in. But that Doc drives a brand new AMG Mercedes and lives in a huge house on the good side of town, which tells me he's making plenty!

    Fine - what the market will bear and all that. BUT - if the medical field were ever investigated for Trust violations...

    Do the math - it isn't just my Doc that charges $100/visit - its every Doc in town. They're all in collusion.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    You've always got the option of not going to the doc- - - -that way he doesn't get a chance to overcharge you. That problem has a distinct potential for solving itself permanently, also, and there will be one less future drain on the social security system that pays us old geezers. When Social Security was first implemented, the average life expectancy for recipients was well BELOW the age when SS was supposed to start paying benefits!
    Jerry
  • gunwalkergunwalker Member Posts: 479 Member
    IMHO,each of us should be writing, calling,emailing republican senators urging them to resign if they can't get the job done. We elected them to get results. They are setting up the GOP for political suicide.
    We do not view the world as it is, but as we perceive it to be.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 13,093 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    $100 to pay all the staff, the light bill, phone bill, insurance, etc, and pay his salary. After spending a couple hundred grand on school, and not having a life till around age 30.
    If you think Doctors are bad, you'd pay me $295 dollars minimum to service your alarm or sprinkler system. After hours, it's $600 for me to show up and smile.

    Thank you.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,193 Senior Member
    Ah, but at five minutes per, he's raking in $1,200/hr. He's got PLENTY after paying the bills. Gov't doesn't need to be subsidizing this.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Ah, but at five minutes per, he's raking in $1,200/hr.
    I did that yesterday and I am a high school drop out.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,561 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Ah, but at five minutes per, he's raking in $1,200/hr. He's got PLENTY after paying the bills. Gov't doesn't need to be subsidizing this.
    That's assuming he's:
    A. Spending only 5 minutes per patient.
    B. Going from patient to patient with no breaks, no note-taking, nothing.

    How much do you really know about how doctors work? Or is this more supposition on your part?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,193 Senior Member
    That's assuming he's:
    A. Spending only 5 minutes per patient.
    B. Going from patient to patient with no breaks, no note-taking, nothing.

    How much do you really know about how doctors work? Or is this more supposition on your part?

    Your assumptions above are correct enough - and I grew up as well as married into a "Medical Family". Truth of the matter is, you don't need to even prove these suppositions of mine - just look at how they live! On my back and yours.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Doctors only have two models to work on, and they haven't changed in thousands of years. They can also bury their mistakes. They get paid whether the problem gets fixed or not. I'd love to be able to run an auto repair shop that way. ASE certified mechanics have to retest every 4 years to keep their professional certificates. Why don't doctors, lawyers, and school administrators have to play by those rules?

    I have no problem with paying my doc what he asks, as long as he keeps me healthy. If he doesn't make the cut, I can vote with my feet and my dollars to find another provider. Maybe by the time the government gets around to denying people that kind of choice, I won't be around to gripe about it. Until then, I'm going to be my congress-critters' worst nightmare- - - - -an informed, vocal citizen who holds their feet to the fire every time they try to take another bite out of my freedom.
    Jerry
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,561 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Your assumptions above are correct enough - and I grew up as well as married into a "Medical Family". Truth of the matter is, you don't need to even prove these suppositions of mine - just look at how they live! On my back and yours.
    Sounds like you favor a little wealth redistribution.


    So, to re-ask CPJ's question: how much SHOULD they make?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    Typically, I only see my primary twice a year. I see my cardiologist once a year. So in a typical year, I only pay for 3 office calls. What they don't bill me for is the continuous monitoring of my coumadin levels, pacemaker readings, questions answered that I email, and prescriptions along with the coordination with each other to ensure that I have consistent care. My office calls are $150 a pop. So for $450 a year, I think I am getting a pretty good value for my money considering all the services they are providing.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    ASE certified mechanics have to retest every 4 years to keep their professional certificates. Why don't doctors, lawyers, and school administrators have to play by those rules?
    They don't have to retest, but they do have to constantly undergo training to maintain their licenses and certifications.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    What is the guy who graduates last in his class at medical school called?
    :uhm:
    Jerry
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,132 Senior Member
    Doctor!!!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Your assumptions above are correct enough - and I grew up as well as married into a "Medical Family". Truth of the matter is, you don't need to even prove these suppositions of mine - just look at how they live! On my back and yours.
    Sounds like you favor a little wealth redistribution.

    So, to re-ask CPJ's question: how much SHOULD they make?


    "Just look at how they live" is an indicator that someone makes too much money? Methinks Zorby would make a fine socialist or maybe even the next level, the "C" word. I rarely do any residential work and I charge a one hour minimum so it costs 110.00 for me to pull into someone's driveway but yet I'm not even close to being wealthy or even "upper middle class". Our vet has a nice SuperDuty and a BMW and I hope he lives in a mansion and has a lavish lifestyle because when one of our horses has an issue, he is at the ranch pretty quick and his bills never seem unreasonable and our horses don't have medical insurance.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 24,193 Senior Member
    Sounds like you favor a little wealth redistribution.


    So, to re-ask CPJ's question: how much SHOULD they make?

    All I'm saying is the gov't doesn't need to be subsidizing this. Just that simple, nothing more, nothing less. So keep your "S" and "C" words to yourself! I wouldn't be opposed to an anti-Trust investigation either - for "whatever" reason, competition isn't working in the medical field.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,561 Senior Member
    So, deflection. Got it.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Money is the root of all evil - or so it's said.

    Remember this; money doesn't make the world go round, but it sure as hell greases the gears and pulleys.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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