Thanks, I was looking for the bullets but they had those in stock as well. Just ordered 100 to try in the new rifle.
I always forget to check Powder Valley because they don't show up in the Google search. I wonder how much business they would gain if they did some search engine optimization on their site???
I don't want to. They took a bullet that worked well for me, perfect actually, and made it "better". Better meaning more expensive. The new Magic tip (and just the tip) claims better performance down range, blah blah blah. I don't have access to a range long enough that I can take advantage of the improvement. I HAD a load worked up. Now I have to change it. I don't like change. GET OFF MY LAWN!
But, I'll have to do something if I want to shoot that rifle.
Side note, with the advent of the 6.5 CM and 6 CM, it's REALLY putting a cramp in my style. Everyone one uses H4350 for powder. It's hard to find. Luckily I hoarded some when I found it last summer. Now with the 6 CM, bullets will be harder to find.
Wow, you really are a curmudgeon. :yikes:
If you want to pay a little more and try a different bullet, Swampy has some nice 6mm bullets in 105, 110 and 115gr. I've been using his bullets for 10+ years.
See, Hornady is approaching boutique bullet prices now. So...why not just get the fancy bullet snob bullets? I need to start looking around and making a decision on a new bullet I suppose.
There you go. Time to get with the program. At 34 cents a bullet, it's still pretty cheap and you deserve the best, don't you?
You can also look at Berger's offerings in 6mm. They have excellent bullets.
Thanks, I was looking for the bullets but they had those in stock as well. Just ordered 100 to try in the new rifle.
I always forget to check Powder Valley because they don't show up in the Google search. I wonder how much business they would gain if they did some search engine optimization on their site???
Sorry, I misunderstood. Glad you found the bullets you wanted. Another good place to check is my friend Shiraz's site, bullets.com.
I don't want to. They took a bullet that worked well for me, perfect actually, and made it "better". Better meaning more expensive. The new Magic tip (and just the tip) claims better performance down range, blah blah blah. I don't have access to a range long enough that I can take advantage of the improvement. I HAD a load worked up. Now I have to change it. I don't like change. GET OFF MY LAWN!
But, I'll have to do something if I want to shoot that rifle.
:agree:
Replacing the 105 A-max with the 108 ELD was fixing something that wasn't broke, and charging people more money for it. They couldn't produce the 105 and the 108, because nobody would have bought the "new and improved" ELD bullet. Luckily, I stocked up several hundred of the 105s before they dried up, so I won't need to worry about finding a replacement for a while, considering I don't shoot 100 of those a year. I'll use other, cheap bullets for playing and save the 105s for as long as I can.
Replacing the 105 A-max with the 108 ELD was fixing something that wasn't broke, and charging people more money for it. They couldn't produce the 105 and the 108, because nobody would have bought the "new and improved" ELD bullet. Luckily, I stocked up several hundred of the 105s before they dried up, so I won't need to worry about finding a replacement for a while, considering I don't shoot 100 of those a year. I'll use other, cheap bullets for playing and save the 105s for as long as I can.
This one baffles me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, all I'm saying is I don't get it. You are going to save your cherished and discontinued 105s and instead use cheap bullets to shoot in your rifle. Why?
If it were me, I would be using up the 105s and then moving on to another one to replace the 105, whether from Hornady or any other bullet manufacturer. I would not let the fact some manufacturer stopped making a bullet prevent me from getting the best performance from my rifle. I may well eschew Hornady products, but there are others.
Like Chris said, I have a load for my rifle using the 105. It groups .2 at 100 if I flinch just right every time. I have no desire to find anything better or come up with another load, until I have to. I don't have to right now. I use 80-90 grain cheaper bullets when I don't need a 105 or that kind of accuracy. Varmints, plinking, letting my son shoot it etc. No need to use up my "good loads" when I have plenty of cheaper plinking bullets to use.
More what it boils down to for me is, the 105 was a stellar performer for the cost. It was pretty well impossible to beat them for the price. So, I'll throw a temper tantrum and hold on to what I have for as long as I can, just 'cause I can... :jester:
Like Chris said, I have a load for my rifle using the 105. It groups .2 at 100 if I flinch just right every time. I have no desire to find anything better or come up with another load, until I have to. I don't have to right now. I use 80-90 grain cheaper bullets when I don't need a 105 or that kind of accuracy. Varmints, plinking, letting my son shoot it etc. No need to use up my "good loads" when I have plenty of cheaper plinking bullets to use.
More what it boils down to for me is, the 105 was a stellar performer for the cost. It was pretty well impossible to beat them for the price. So, I'll throw a temper tantrum and hold on to what I have for as long as I can, just 'cause I can... :jester:
I've held both and shot the Ruger, not the Savage.
So that I don't derail the thread too much, here are the bullet points:
MagPul CTR butt stock, not supplied with a cheek riser. Seriously? A rifle that retails for $1700 and I immediately must go buy an accessory? This should have been included. Point to Ruger for including a fully adjustable butt stock, and if you were to add a PRS or similar a normal sized human could use it.
0 MOA scope base. Seriously? This rifle is marketed to the long range shooting/PRS crowd. How the hell is a 20 MOA base not standard equipment? Point Ruger.
Chassis dimensions don't allow realistic use of other AR butt stocks such as the MagPul PRS. LOP with a PRS is suitable to someone 6'5" is
Giant front hand guard, that is not very solid. Mind wobbles, and it's huge. Ruger knocked it out of the park making the RPR use regular AR hand guards.
The chassis is intriguing, but Savage went cheap and IMO screwed the pooch a bit. It's meant to be a RPR competitor and in that arena it falls short.
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"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
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Thanks, I was looking for the bullets but they had those in stock as well. Just ordered 100 to try in the new rifle.
I always forget to check Powder Valley because they don't show up in the Google search. I wonder how much business they would gain if they did some search engine optimization on their site???
Wow, you really are a curmudgeon. :yikes:
If you want to pay a little more and try a different bullet, Swampy has some nice 6mm bullets in 105, 110 and 115gr. I've been using his bullets for 10+ years.
http://www.swampworks.com/jlk/
Tell him I sent you.
There you go. Time to get with the program. At 34 cents a bullet, it's still pretty cheap and you deserve the best, don't you?
You can also look at Berger's offerings in 6mm. They have excellent bullets.
Sorry, I misunderstood. Glad you found the bullets you wanted. Another good place to check is my friend Shiraz's site, bullets.com.
I may even post his response here.
:popcorn:
:agree:
Replacing the 105 A-max with the 108 ELD was fixing something that wasn't broke, and charging people more money for it. They couldn't produce the 105 and the 108, because nobody would have bought the "new and improved" ELD bullet. Luckily, I stocked up several hundred of the 105s before they dried up, so I won't need to worry about finding a replacement for a while, considering I don't shoot 100 of those a year. I'll use other, cheap bullets for playing and save the 105s for as long as I can.
This one baffles me. I'm not saying it's right or wrong, all I'm saying is I don't get it. You are going to save your cherished and discontinued 105s and instead use cheap bullets to shoot in your rifle. Why?
If it were me, I would be using up the 105s and then moving on to another one to replace the 105, whether from Hornady or any other bullet manufacturer. I would not let the fact some manufacturer stopped making a bullet prevent me from getting the best performance from my rifle. I may well eschew Hornady products, but there are others.
More what it boils down to for me is, the 105 was a stellar performer for the cost. It was pretty well impossible to beat them for the price. So, I'll throw a temper tantrum and hold on to what I have for as long as I can, just 'cause I can... :jester:
:usa:
So that I don't derail the thread too much, here are the bullet points:
MagPul CTR butt stock, not supplied with a cheek riser. Seriously? A rifle that retails for $1700 and I immediately must go buy an accessory? This should have been included. Point to Ruger for including a fully adjustable butt stock, and if you were to add a PRS or similar a normal sized human could use it.
0 MOA scope base. Seriously? This rifle is marketed to the long range shooting/PRS crowd. How the hell is a 20 MOA base not standard equipment? Point Ruger.
Chassis dimensions don't allow realistic use of other AR butt stocks such as the MagPul PRS. LOP with a PRS is suitable to someone 6'5" is
Giant front hand guard, that is not very solid. Mind wobbles, and it's huge. Ruger knocked it out of the park making the RPR use regular AR hand guards.
The chassis is intriguing, but Savage went cheap and IMO screwed the pooch a bit. It's meant to be a RPR competitor and in that arena it falls short.
"Slow is smooth, smooth is fast, and speed is the economy of motion" - Scott Jedlinski
Dad 5-31-13
Grabagun.com was the best deal I could find.
About $1070 shipped for a gen II.