Mike Rowe

Jermanator

Not only the narrator of the famed Wunder **** commercial and famous for his show, Dirty Jobs-- Rowe responded to a troll on Facebook that was suggesting he promoted anti-intellectualism. Check this out...


http://dailycaller.com/2017/08/23/mike-rowe-absolutely-destroys-guy-who-accuses-him-of-being-a-white-nationalist/

early

I'm kind of leary of someone that does dirty jobs with a wunder ****.

Just sayin'.

Jermanator

And just for fun, the Wunder **** commercial. Yes, it is a real product. I have my very own Wunder ****.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=32-hmykFCwM

shootbrownelk

I'll stick with my fillet knives....I wonder if they work on bony trout and pike?

zorba

His response was excellent!

Jermanator

He said a lot of great stuff there, but I like this part the most...

Mike Rowe wrote:

That’s how logical fallacies work. A flaw in reasoning or a mistaken belief undermines the logic of a conclusion, often leading to real-world consequences. And right now, logical fallacies are not limited to the warped beliefs of morons with tiki torches, and other morons calling for ‘more dead cops.’ Logical fallacies are everywhere.

As I type this, a Democrat on CNN is making an argument that says, ‘because Thomas Jefferson owned slaves, those Republicans now opposed to tearing down his memorial are ‘pro-slavery,’ and therefore aligned with the modern day KKK.’ That’s a logical fallacy.


Over on Fox, a Republican is arguing that ‘any Democrat who has not yet condemned the Senator from Missouri for publicly wishing that Donald Trump be assassinated, is guilty of wishing for the exact same thing.’ That’s a logical fallacy.


Yesterday, on The Science Channel, Neil DeGrasse Tyson, a noted astronomer, tweeted that the ability of scientists to accurately predict the solar eclipse, was proof that predictions of global warming were also accurate. That’s a logical fallacy.

wizard78

A great read, thanks for posting. :beer:

BAMAAK

cpj wrote: »

He's about the only celebrity id like to sit down and drink a beer with.

How about your avatar?

Zee

cpj wrote: »

He's about the only celebrity id like to sit down and drink a beer with.

This.

Jack Burton

wizard78 wrote: »

A great read, thanks for posting. :beer:

It was that. Still the effort required to effectively destroy someones logical fallacy is considerable. You have to write all that to refute 5 or 6 sentences? Don't wanna be no public figur.

Jermanator

I wouldn't mind sitting down with him for a beer either.

These poor kids go through school thinking that you have to go to college and get a degree in order to be successful in life. So what we got is a bunch of kids with huge student loan debts working as well educated baristas. I tried and tried to tell my step-daughters, but they wasted their time and money screwing around-- thinking they had to get bachelor degrees. So there they sat-- not enough college to make them employable beyond entry level jobs, and no skills making their time more valuable.

One finally sucked it up and spent a year learning to be a dental assistant. She is doing just fine now. The other finally gave up the delusion that she was going to get her master degree in lord knows what, and is almost through with barber school. Once she is done, she can start building a clientele and if she does a good job and works hard, will do great.

Mike Rowe has been promoting careers in skilled labor with his foundation for many years for now. I am hoping that he opens the eyes of more and more people that there are good paying, challenging, and rewarding careers without the need for a 4 year degree.

Here is a link to his foundation if you want to take a look around...
http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

Teach

I wasted the better part of four years at three universities chasing an engineering degree- - - - - -my fault, not theirs. Majoring in beer drinking, sports cars, and skirts is not a good way to earn a degree! Spending the next 8 years in the USAF, then raising a family- - - -somehow the time and money to finish the "education" process never happened. Fortunately, the public education system is willing (condescendingly) to allow a non-degreed person to teach trade skills. Chalk up the next 30+ years doing that!

Just last week, one of the companies I do consulting work for informed me that I'm the only person in an 8-state region of the southeastern United States that they consider to be qualified for certain assignments. Interesting- - - -maybe I should have pursued a degree in Outdoor Masturbation so I can be someone who's relevant and worthwhile!
Jerry

Jermanator

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BAMAAK

There are good degrees and worthless degrees. Any one that makes you employable is harder than the worthless ones. Even the good ones are often years behind the real world. But they do tell companies you are teachable.

Jermanator

Certainly! But even if everyone got the right degrees, it wouldn't matter because there are only so many positions available in those careers while tons of skilled positions that pay very good go unfilled-- completely eviscerating the middle class that we used to have in this country.

JerryBobCo

Jermanator wrote: »

I wouldn't mind sitting down with him for a beer either.

These poor kids go through school thinking that you have to go to college and get a degree in order to be successful in life. So what we got is a bunch of kids with huge student loan debts working as well educated baristas. I tried and tried to tell my step-daughters, but they wasted their time and money screwing around-- thinking they had to get bachelor degrees. So there they sat-- not enough college to make them employable beyond entry level jobs, and no skills making their time more valuable.

One finally sucked it up and spent a year learning to be a dental assistant. She is doing just fine now. The other finally gave up the delusion that she was going to get her master degree in lord knows what, and is almost through with barber school. Once she is done, she can start building a clientele and if she does a good job and works hard, will do great.

Mike Rowe has been promoting careers in skilled labor with his foundation for many years for now. I am hoping that he opens the eyes of more and more people that there are good paying, challenging, and rewarding careers without the need for a 4 year degree.

Here is a link to his foundation if you want to take a look around...
http://profoundlydisconnected.com/

I have to take some exception to that. My masters in computing science has kept me employed since 1975 in good paying jobs in a field I like. With the exception of voluntary retirement I took between September 2013 and June 2105, I was never without a job during that time. I realize there are plenty of IROCs (Idiots Right Out of College), but a college education can be a valuable asset. If nothing else, it shows a potential employer that you will stick to something you start to the end.

There's also degree in useless fields. We kid about degrees in basket weaving or underwater BB stacking, but some are not much more useful than that. My advice to anyone seeking a college education is to pick a major that offers job opportunities. For the most part, that eliminates liberal arts and the like.

Just my 2 cents, but based on 40 years of experience.

Teach

Add Sam Elliot to the beer bust- - - - -When I stood in a Patriot Guard Riders flag line and rode in Command Sergeant Major Basil Plumley's funeral escort, Sam was right there with his family at the visitation, the funeral the next day, and the graveside service- - - -as opposed to Mel Gibson's 10-minute walk-through at the funeral home. Elliot seems to be the real thing, not some narcissistic Hollyweird jerk.
Jerry

JerryBobCo

cpj wrote: »

You're missing the point entirely, methinks.

Is college good for a lot of people? Yes.
Is college good for all people? No.
Does a college education always equal a good paying job? No.
Are there good paying jobs that don't require a college education? Yes.

That's the long and short of It...

I think you need to go back and read what I posted, Chris. The sentiments you posted above are pretty much what I said.

Teach

So, where does regurgitating enough of the crap a liberal butthole who happens to be given a place of honor at the front of a classroom spews to convince a bunch of other liberal buttholes that you're sufficiently indoctrinated to hand you a pretty much worthless piece of paper actually prepares you to survive out in the real world?

BS- - - - -bull stuff!
MS- - - - -more of the same
PhD- - - - -Piled higher and deeper

With the possible exception of a technical degree that actually gives a student skills necessary to gain access to an entry-level job in a particular specialty, I fail to see the value of a large majority of the college degrees that are bestowed- - - -particularly in the "education" discipline!
Jerry

Jermanator

JerryBobCo wrote: »

I have to take some exception to that. My masters in computing science has kept me employed since 1975 in good paying jobs in a field I like. With the exception of voluntary retirement I took between September 2013 and June 2105, I was never without a job during that time. I realize there are plenty of IROCs (Idiots Right Out of College), but a college education can be a valuable asset. If nothing else, it shows a potential employer that you will stick to something you start to the end.

There's also degree in useless fields. We kid about degrees in basket weaving or underwater BB stacking, but some are not much more useful than that. My advice to anyone seeking a college education is to pick a major that offers job opportunities. For the most part, that eliminates liberal arts and the like.

Just my 2 cents, but based on 40 years of experience.

I am not knocking a college degree at all, but it is not the only pathway to success like some of these kids are lead to believe. That said, I take exception to putting down liberal arts degrees. There are lots of pathways out there for people to get educated/trained to do jobs. Liberal arts degrees are a carryover from the days when only the clergy and elite of society were able to obtain a higher education. The idea behind them are to educate students in mathematics, hard science, arts, literature, philosophy, social science, and history so they can take all the best ideas from those specialized areas of thought and utilize them in "big picture" situations. The problem is that people think since they got a degree in English, they are supposed to get a job as a teacher or a writer-- not so. Not by a long shot. A good liberal arts education should be only a stepping stone for doing bigger and better things-- they can be a great thing if the student understands what it is about. If they don't understand, even if they are a 4.0 student, they weren't a very good student.

I have my certification as a laboratory tech, an associate in science, and an associate in arts. I also went on and worked toward my bachelor in English but never finished. Believe it or not, while I am in the construction industry and got my training at the beginning by pushing a broom and humping dumpsters (to get through college), I was able to take things to the next level only because of my education in liberal arts. It is not for everyone, but it helped me immensely .

Jermanator

cpj wrote: »

I don't get the "a degree shows a potential employer you can see things through" notion. If I were looking to to hire someone for a job that didn't require a degree, a degree would rank at the bottom of the list of things I'd consider. I guess though that when you are interviewing folks, the only real verifiable information other than work history (and these days work history is mainly limited to "Joe worked here from this date to this date")would be a degree. The degree may mean you were a straight A student, or you slid by barely making it. But...you made it.

That goes back to what I was saying about those liberal arts degrees-- they are supposed to show that the applicant has been educated in a broad range of schools of thought and should hypothetically be able to draw on that knowledge to make good decisions.

Teach

What is the "broad range of schools of thought" that produces the crop of graduates we've been seeing for the past 20-something years? It looks pretty one-sided and arbitrary to me, especially at the price point of a pretty much worthless diploma where real-world performance is concerned. The average "educators" I encountered in three decades of teaching in the public school system were pretty pathetic examples of people with well-rounded educational experiences, and as the degrees stacked up, the relevance of those people to the real world took a nosedive!
Jerry

Jermanator

Teach wrote: »

What is the "broad range of schools of thought" that produces the crop of graduates we've been seeing for the past 20-something years?

Please note my use of the word "supposed". Sadly for many, bong hits and tail is where they focused their studies. Same thing with high schools. At my kids' high school, it is entirely possible to get a fantastic education or none at all while still moving through the system. Unfortunately, that is why a high school diploma is worthless now days and college degrees are getting that way fast.

NN

:popcorn:

john9001

Bill Gates is a college dropout.

Teach

When I was hiring employees, I had some pretty basic, non-negotiable rules for putting a person on the payroll, and a zero tolerance policy for keeping them there if they were unable or unwilling to meet those requirements:

Get to work on time.
Earn your pay- - - -plus a little bit for me.
Don't lie to me.
Don't steal from me.
Don't embarrass me in front of my customers- - - -they're the ones who are actually providing you with a paycheck.
If you can't or wont live by those rules, go bother somebody else. I don't need or want you.
How or where you acquired your skills is irrelevant- - - -your diploma doesn't impress me!

Some people didn't make it past the first interview- - - -that suited me just fine!
Jerry

JerryBobCo

cpj wrote: »

Ok, so if you agree with all of that, why did you take "some exception"? Maybe I misunderstood your post.

I was taking exception to Germ's post, nothing else. There was nothing in that post at all positive about getting a college degree. That is what I was objecting to, and I used my own experience to drive home my point. Nowhere did I say one had to have a college degree to be successful. I also clearly stated that degrees in some majors were useless, and even cited liberal arts as an example. Like I said, go back and read my post, only do so in the context it was made.

As for demonstrating to potential employers that one will stick with something, not everyone has mom and dad to pay their way through college. My parents were very supportive of me and my siblings journey through academia, but did not help us financially. They simply didn't have the resources to do so. So, we worked part time and summer jobs, took out student loans (which we all paid back) and did whatever we could to finish.

If you still don't get my point, then you win. I don't choose to argue this any further.

Jermanator

JerryBobCo wrote: »

I was taking exception to Germ's post, nothing else. There was nothing in that post at all positive about getting a college degree.

While I did leave out remarks regarding the positives of getting a college degree, in no way did I intend that to mean I am against getting college degrees. Far from it. I am sorry about the misunderstanding.

But to clarify that a bit, from my experiences with my children they have been essentially brain washed by the schools that they absolutely need a college degree to be successful in life. So they get out of high school thinking that if they don't automatically go to college and get a college degree, they are failures. I think that sets the kids up with a very impractical idea of how to move ahead in their lives.

Some would be much better served if they went ahead and learned a trade or gained some technical experience as opposed to aimlessly attending college, wasting their time, money, and eventually dropping out-- while still not having any employable skills beyond their high school education.

Farm Boy Deuce

Jermanator wrote: »

But to clarify that a bit, from my experiences with my children they have been essentially brain washed by the schools that they absolutely need a college degree to be successful in life. So they get out of high school thinking that if they don't automatically go to college and get a college degree, they are failures. I think that sets the kids up with a very impractical idea of how to move ahead in their lives.

Some would be much better served if they went ahead and learned a trade or gained some technical experience as opposed to aimlessly attending college, wasting their time, money, and eventually dropping out-- while still not having any employable skills beyond their high school education.

These two paragraphs pretty well sum up my education to date. In HS everything was geared towards getting us into college (turns out the schools are graded on that). I knew college was not for me, nothing about college interested me, I could not see anything but riding a desk coming from graduating college. I wasn't motivated enough to graduate college.
Really I knew the chances were I would drop out after a semester or two and end up working in the same factory everyone works in. Nothing wrong with the place, but Dad would have strangled me. He works there too.

So I joined the Navy. The Navy taught me Industrial Electric Maintenance and I love it. When I got out and moved back to OK I got a job in a grain elevator as an Electrian. I get to enough of the troubleshooting and building simple systems that I enjoy to keep it interesting and I get to do some Millwright work as well.

I make a good living, probably won't get rich but my family has a roof, beds, and three hots a day. College is not for everyone.

Jermanator

Farm Boy Deuce wrote: »

In HS everything was geared towards getting us into college (turns out the schools are graded on that).

They are also graded at test scores, the rate that kids are held back a grade, and graduation rate. What that gets us is...

Kids pushed into college that really don't want to go, or honestly shouldn't be there.

Teachers teaching kids to the test and not necessarily educating them.

Kids getting passed along to the next grade that did not make standards.

Kids getting high school diplomas even though they didn't meet minimum standards.

Kids going to college with high school diplomas (that they didn't meet standards for) going to college, unable to read, write, or do math at a college level.

Because they can't read, write, or do math, colleges need to bring on extra staff and administrators (which burn up precious loans, savings, government funds, and grant money) to teach people what they should have learned in high school...

It goes on and on and on! These little ripples wind up creating big waves in the system. Then my electrician can't find an apprentice worth a crap! There are lots and lots of skilled and semi-skilled jobs going unfilled while these poor kids are being railroaded on the college track.

NN

I went to college to play football, got that under water basket weaving degree and have been on the dole from the govt ever since.