Ben Shapiro, conservative, to speak at UC Berkley tonight

snake284snake284 Senior MemberPosts: 21,802 Senior Member
Ben Shapiro, a well known Jewish Conservative Journalist is going to speak at U.C. Berkley in about 3 hours. ANTIFA and several other leftist groups are ready to protest. The police have been granted permission to use pepper spray. Me thinks things are about to get interesting.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/09/14/uc-berkeley-braces-for-riots-over-conservative-ben-shapiros-speech-on-campus.html
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    It would be more interesting if the police were given permission to use high velocity hollow points. The German Communist Party identifying themselves as ANTIFA deserve no less.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    Bezerkly. Need one say any more?
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  • Vic's ViewpointVic's Viewpoint Senior Member Posts: 1,117 Senior Member
    Ohhhh, good one, Christopher.................
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  • ArmoredmanArmoredman Member Posts: 343 Member
    Did anything happen?
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,052 Senior Member
    Just in case you don't know, ANTIFA has been around for a long time, and it's core base ideology is Communism.......what a surprise!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,584 Senior Member
    Armoredman wrote: »
    Did anything happen?

    no
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,568 Senior Member
    Just in case you don't know, ANTIFA has been around for a long time, and it's core base ideology is Communism.......what a surprise!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism
    I find it unfortunate the idiots have not bothered to look up the simple definition of fascism. Totalitarian rule by brute force. Some of the deadliest fascists were hard core communists. Stalin, Mao, Pol Pot.....
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    Some good responses here. Thanks Guys and Gal. When I started this thread I'd been watching Fox talk about it. They mentioned the $600K spent on security and about the ticket sales so my hat's off to the University. They publicly stood up for free speech and took good measures to insure Shapiro would not be attacked and could have his say unmolested.

    The problem with places like Berkley isn't so much those in charge, it's the totally out of touch with reality professors. They indoctrinate the students with their craziness and set them off on the war path against those who hold any idea but their own. Yep it's fascism to the hllt. Fascism, Communism, they're both about the same. They have one big thing in common, they cannot exist long term without a dictator. They are about loss of personal freedom.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    Totalitarianism is the exercise of power; fascism and communism are economic philosophies. Antifa uses cheap catch phrases to cover their anarchist goals. Communism is using this anarchy for its own goals. Antifa is more anarchist than fascist, although they use fascist tactics to achieve their goals.

    Both Communism and Fascism have been associated with totalitarianism. So have many Mid-east countries which are neither Fascist or Communism by the economic definition...they Totalitarian.

    The House Unamerican activities committee used the HUAC (especially the term UnAmerican) in the same way as Antifa is using the term "fascist." I mean, who isn't anti fascist, and who isn't against Unamerican activities?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Just in case you don't know, ANTIFA has been around for a long time, and it's core base ideology is Communism.......what a surprise!

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-fascism

    Same flag, same communists, same aim. 80 years + and they're still at it. Stop calling them anti-Fascists and call them what they are, red **** card carrying communists who use anarchy to further their aims.

    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antifaschistische_Aktion
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    However you want to call it Gene, look at the facts. There's no communist government nor has there been a fascist government that could last over a week without a dictator in charge. Yes Totalitarianism is the main tool of unpopular forms of government. Communism-Fascism either one are unpopular to those with half a brain and a grain of ambition for a better life who have to live under them.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    Let's call it what it is and don't fall into the chasm that antifa has dug...labeling anyone we disagree with as fascist based on their disagreement with us. Used to be, calling people "Communist" was the pejorative of choice.

    Totalitarianism is exactly what it is, under any form of government.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Armoredman wrote: »
    Did anything happen?

    One of the ANTIFA communist anus chapeaus stabbed a woman in the neck that was supporting Ben Shapiro.
    no

    Getting stabbed in the neck is something.

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/09/14/uc-berkeley-ben-shapiro-speech/

    auto play video in the link tells about it.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,584 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    One of the ANTIFA communist anus chapeaus stabbed a woman in the neck that was supporting Ben Shapiro.



    Getting stabbed in the neck is something.

    http://sanfrancisco.cbslocal.com/2017/09/14/uc-berkeley-ben-shapiro-speech/

    auto play video in the link tells about it.

    Read the link. watched the video. Nothing about stabbing. Worst I saw was someone spit on an officer and someone may have gotten punched.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Read the link. watched the video. Nothing about stabbing. Worst I saw was someone spit on an officer and someone may have gotten punched.

    I guess that red stuff on the pavement is ketchup packets someone squirted on her? The CBS station censored out the blood part.

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/09/15/antifa-terrorists-stab-woman-in-the-neck-media-censors/
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    The site you posted says reports of a stabbing are false. Fake news, in other words. Please be more careful in the future.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    The site you posted says reports of a stabbing are false. Fake news, in other words. Please be more careful in the future.

    I got the stabbing info from an earlier report from another semi-reliable source. I posted the link below as it actually shows the blood pool around her head that was studiously avoided by the CBS link. Note that in the article the Berzerkley PD claim she wasn't attacked at all., and I bolded the part about them being less than honest, or at least taking wild liberties with the truth.

    And I suppose in the world some people live in, it's all right to bash someone's head into the pavement as long as they don't cut them? With the amount of blood on the pavement that is more than a scratch to the scalp.

    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/09/15/antifa-terrorists-stab-woman-in-the-neck-media-censors/

    Update: Witnesses say the victim was attacked and had her head bashed on the concrete. Claims that the woman was stabbed in the neck, appear to have come from “Based Stickman” and are false. The Berkeley PD is claiming that the girl was not attacked at all. It must be noted that the Berkeley PD has a known credibility problem, and the mayor of Berkeley was once a member of an Antifa Facebook group. Multiple eyewitnesses are challenging the Berkely PD, and say it most definitely did happen. The twitter account for the Contra Costa College student newspaper, which is extremely left-wing, even says she was attacked. They also posted a video on twitter of the injured victim. Multiple witnesses stated in the video that she was attacked.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    I believe Berkeley PD has a credibility problem, but see no reason why they'd cover up an assault on a woman. If anyone (credible) has information on that, I'd like to see it. It's not been reported on any other source than your questionable link.

    In an era of victimhood, much of it vicarious victimhood, I refuse to be a victim. I don't identify with those who make spurious claims of being a victim of white privilege, racist behavior in ordinary life occurrences, or the victim of antifa...there are plenty of REAL victims of these, but I'm not one.

    I question your source, which has its own agenda. Maybe it's correct and honest, but I believe it's a plant to attract those who wish to associate themselves with victimhood, which I do not endorse. There are plenty of people, an increasing number, who see themselves as victims or vicarious victims, and they attract plenty of attention and funding from suckers who believe them at face value. I'm neither a victim nor a sucker.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,052 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Totalitarianism is the exercise of power; fascism and communism are economic philosophies. Antifa uses cheap catch phrases to cover their anarchist goals. Communism is using this anarchy for its own goals. Antifa is more anarchist than fascist, although they use fascist tactics to achieve their goals.

    Both Communism and Fascism have been associated with totalitarianism.............

    Exactly right, and there is not much difference between Fascism and Communism, other than their economic models. They are two sides of the same coin. Contrary to common belief, Fascists are not the Right, as opposed to Communism the Left. Both are left-wing Socialists. The reason Fascists were called the right in Europe is because of their Nationalist policies. That term (fascists) is mistakenly applied to the American Right and very inaccurately, IMO.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,584 Senior Member
    Exactly right, and there is not much difference between Fascism and Communism, other than their economic models. They are two sides of the same coin. Contrary to common belief, Fascists are not the Right, as opposed to Communism the Left. Both are left-wing Socialists. The reason Fascists were called the right in Europe is because of their Nationalist policies. That term (fascists) is mistakenly applied to the American Right and very inaccurately, IMO.
    Actually fascism is somewhat agnostic on the economic side of things. Not completely. Obviously all countries and governments are different, but the primary defining characteristics of fascism are totalitarianism, nationalism, and militarism. The last two at least tend to be more present within the right than the left. Both left and right can have totalitarian tendencies. Especially since libertarian thought has largely been expunged from both parties in our country.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,087 Senior Member
    Especially since libertarian thought has largely been expunged from both parties in our country.

    WORD.

    Expunged and vilified.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,052 Senior Member
    Actually fascism is somewhat agnostic on the economic side of things. Not completely. Obviously all countries and governments are different, but the primary defining characteristics of fascism are totalitarianism, nationalism, and militarism. The last two at least tend to be more present within the right than the left. Both left and right can have totalitarian tendencies. Especially since libertarian thought has largely been expunged from both parties in our country.

    NoKo is pretty militaristic, yet they are hard core Stalinist Communists. I understand there are no absolutes on either side.

    https://www.reference.com/government-politics/describe-similarities-between-fascism-communism-2d1da01b293c6344
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    I believe Berkeley PD has a credibility problem, but see no reason why they'd cover up an assault on a woman. If anyone (credible) has information on that, I'd like to see it. It's not been reported on any other source than your questionable link.

    The link I posted in post #19 is a CBS LOCAL NEWS STATION. Are you saying that they are lying, too?

    In an era of victimhood, much of it vicarious victimhood, I refuse to be a victim. I don't identify with those who make spurious claims of being a victim of white privilege, racist behavior in ordinary life occurrences, or the victim of antifa...there are plenty of REAL victims of these, but I'm not one.

    I question your source, which has its own agenda. Maybe it's correct and honest, but I believe it's a plant to attract those who wish to associate themselves with victimhood, which I do not endorse. There are plenty of people, an increasing number, who see themselves as victims or vicarious victims, and they attract plenty of attention and funding from suckers who believe them at face value. I'm neither a victim nor a sucker.

    The original link I posted was a CBS News station. Are you insinuating that the video they shot of the victim lying on the pavement is fake?

    I posted the second link:
    http://narrative-collapse.com/2017/09/15/antifa-terrorists-stab-woman-in-the-neck-media-censors/

    .... because it shows the victim in a well lit photo that shows the pooling blood around her head. Are you assuming the blood is just Hollywood fake blood?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Found the picture of the other ANTIFA flag. Took some digging. Notice any similarities?

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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 10,041 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Found the picture of the other ANTIFA flag. Took some digging. Notice any similarities?

    Where did you find this picture? If you search for the Antifa flag, it shows a circle with two flags in the center, a red flag over a blue flag. Suggesting a communist leaning.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,257 Senior Member
    Shapiro handed a couple of those Berzerkely snowflakes their butt on a platter when they tried to trip him up with some sneaky questions. Good for him!
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,759 Senior Member
    Gene L wrote: »
    Where did you find this picture? If you search for the Antifa flag, it shows a circle with two flags in the center, a red flag over a blue flag. Suggesting a communist leaning.

    Searched for ANTIFA flags. Found the picture I posted. I don't know what you searched for, but it was obviously a weak keyword search.

    Here's one image search I did. There are MANY ANTIFA flags depending on country of origin.

    https://images.search.yahoo.com/yhs/search;_ylt=A0LEVjR_Eb9ZHzsAbwQnnIlQ;_ylu=X3oDMTEyOXA3Y25pBGNvbG8DYmYxBHBvcwMyBHZ0aWQDQjQ0MjlfMQRzZWMDc2M-?p=ANTIFA+Germany&fr=yhs-mozilla-001&hspart=mozilla&hsimp=yhs-001#id=6&iurl=http%3A%2F%2Fgatesofvienna.net%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2014%2F12%2Fantifagermany.jpg&action=close
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