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Goodell and NFL owners have some gall.....

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,128 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Wonder what people, the majority of players and fans would think if Pilots decide that if you boneheads can't stand for the Anthem of our Country, they can't take their weekend time to do a flyover before the game.
    Why are we sending our pilots and jets out for someone's privately owned entertainment venture in the first place?
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,161 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Why are we sending our pilots and jets out for someone's privately owned entertainment venture in the first place?

    It's basically a free military recruiting commercial.
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,150 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    It's basically a free military recruiting commercial.

    I am pretty sure the military PAYS for the right to do the overflights, flag ceremony, etc...
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    So you just want the owners and the NFL to put a gun to players heads and make them conform to what you want them to do?
    Gee and I wonder why they might feel like we still have a race problem in this country...

    The only "problem" facing this country is the dog-whistle racism and falsely insinuating a call of violence upon those with whom you disagree. Saul Alinsky would be proud.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Here's a thought- - - - -when those jerks take a knee, switch tunes- - - - -play "Dixie"!
    :devil:
    Jerry
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Almost any professional league has many players with double digit IQs and can’t think past the media BS but it is their right to think what they’ve been fed. It is the right of the coaches and owners to allow or not allow actions while in team uniform. It is the right of the leagues to allow or not those actions. While I think these overpaid idiots are a-holes it is their right to do so here. Personally, I think Trump while right is giving even more power to these idiots by stirring the crappé. I believe he should just take the high road and say something like “Well if Mr Curry doesn’t want to visit the WH maybe I’ll can congratulate him another time.” Or “It saddens me to see people not standing for the flag and our National Anthem but that is one of the Freedoms that makes this country great ... Personal Freedoms.” I know it is BS but insighting these idiots and giving them more ammo to spew in the media just doesn’t work on double digit IQs ... especially those who get their ideas from liberal media.
    Even though JFK had quite a temper that is the proper Presidential response I would expect from him.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Why are we sending our pilots and jets out for someone's privately owned entertainment venture in the first place?
    We aren't. A few years ago active duty demonstrations and flyovers were discontinued as a mostly fictitious cost savings. Other than the USAF Thunderbirds at this years Daytona 500. Flyovers, if done at all have been private pilots and occasionally the National Guard.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    This mess is already working itself out, but it isn't really getting any attention from the MSM. Revenue from advertising, ticket sales, and team 'memorabilia' trash is dropping like a rock. As the revenue stream dries up, the ability to pay the overpriced, underworked, **** on the teams will force the issue. No money equals downsizing in ANY private business to attempt to stay afloat. Might end up with a LOT less benchwarmers sitting on their asses, and the others that are left put on notice that they are just as expendable as a used condom.
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  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    Another thing to keep in mind is the threat from endless player law suits regarding concussions/CTE. This will surely hasten the NFL's downfall. If I were an owner I think I'd be looking to sell right about now.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Richard Childress (NASCAR team owner) just announced that any of his drivers or crew members who want to protest can go ahead and do so at their own risk- - - -"His next ride will be on a Greyhound bus!" Richard Petty expressed about the same sentiments. Good for them!
    Jerry
    Several years back I noticed more than a few drivers and others were not showing proper respect during the National Anthem. They were not protesting but some were wearing caps, not placing hand over heart, talking, and even one on a cellphone. Surprisingly non citizen Juan Pablo Montoya was properly standing with arms at his side. The same thing I would do in his country. Later on I noticed the improper respect had completely vanished. I never heard anything but I can guess. Offended people complain to sponsors and NASCAR. NASCAR laid down their "law" with team owners who schooled their employees. problem solved.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    We aren't. A few years ago active duty demonstrations and flyovers were discontinued as a mostly fictitious cost savings. Other than the USAF Thunderbirds at this years Daytona 500. Flyovers, if done at all have been private pilots and occasionally the National Guard.

    Almost all NFL games have military flyovers. They stopped for a short time but it didn't last. Last season in nashville the game I went to had 3 H-60s buzz the stadium. I've seen stealth bombers, F 15s, 16s, 18s, A-10s on tv. They may be NG but not private.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    Gee and I wonder why they might feel like we still have a race problem in this country...

    I for one am getting very tired of hearing this, especially from people in your age group. For crying out lout, a man that is 1/2 black that by his words identifies as a black man was voted in as President of the USA, not once but twice.

    Look at congress and senate, you work around the Government, I just came back from a training class and over half of people over the grade of GS-13 were people of color.
    The only people being held back, are those not willing to get an education and work hard to be successful.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,914 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    We aren't. A few years ago active duty demonstrations and flyovers were discontinued as a mostly fictitious cost savings. Other than the USAF Thunderbirds at this years Daytona 500. Flyovers, if done at all have been private pilots and occasionally the National Guard.

    Private pilots do NOT fly active Military Aircraft. I just recently learned that the Military pays for the flyovers and flag details though. I have always mistakenly thought the leagues took care of that bill.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,660 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Here's a thought- - - - -when those jerks take a knee, switch tunes- - - - -play "Dixie"!
    :devil:
    Jerry

    Better yet, how about a Christian hymn? "Nearer my God to Thee" comes to mind...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,660 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    The only people being held back, are those not willing to get an education and work hard to be successful.

    WORD.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    Interesting ripple effect going on regarding the NFL and the individual teams. I'm seeing a LOT of new calls for boycotts of NFL sponsors. And some team owners also own other businesses. One team owner also owns a couple of nationwide chains of truck stops, and the truckers are forming a boycott of those stations. And the list just keeps growing. Ripple effect from the unintended consequences of pissing off your customers can have a profound effect on the bottom line.

    Side issue on the free speech thing. How is it O.K. for the teams to do this as free speech with no repercussions while cake bakers, wedding planners, wedding venues, and photographers are being sued out of business for expressing their free speech? Is free speech becoming a one way street? Does it apply to only some and not others? Free speech for some, but not for all, is not free speech. It's something much more sinister, and definitely vile.

    And if BLM is worried about deaths of people of color, they why aren't they in cities like Chicago taking on and taking out the gangs that are killing black people wholesale? Or does it only matter when a cop, of any color, kills someone black? The massive incongruities of the whole mess makes my head hurt.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    Several years back I noticed more than a few drivers and others were not showing proper respect during the National Anthem.

    I noticed that in person, at Talladega several years ago. Pit crew members in particular were busy messing around with equipment, tires, etc. I mentioned it to a friend who was a car hauler driver for the Sadler Racing team, based in Nashville. He passed my gripe up the line to the owner of the team, and that crew shaped up in a hurry!
    Jerry
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Private pilots do NOT fly active Military Aircraft. I just recently learned that the Military pays for the flyovers and flag details though. I have always mistakenly thought the leagues took care of that bill.
    Correct with the possible exception of black operations that we will never know about. The private pilot flyovers were in private aircraft. Patriot Flight is one team.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Better yet, how about a Christian hymn? "Nearer my God to Thee" comes to mind...
    It took me a moment but I got it. Swan song of the RMS Titanic.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Private pilots do NOT fly active Military Aircraft. I just recently learned that the Military pays for the flyovers and flag details though. I have always mistakenly thought the leagues took care of that bill.

    I don't think that's what he meant....a few years back I went to a National Cemetery for the Veterans Day memorial and the fly over was done by a bunch of private pilots in Cessnas....Somehow the Missing Man formation just wasn't the same...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Private pilots do NOT fly active Military Aircraft. I just recently learned that the Military pays for the flyovers and flag details though. I have always mistakenly thought the leagues took care of that bill.
    Active military personnel are paid no matter what they are doing.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,920 Senior Member
    At this point, these jackwagons could start standing to and it still wouldn't do a thing to compensate for their lack of respect. Do these paid entertainers think they are actually contributing anything of substance to society in general? For a "protest" to be effective, the bulk of the people need to actually give a crap about what you think in the first place.....and I, emphatically, don't.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Buford wrote: »
    No need to insult a gorilla.

    In the mist.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    The Jaguars and Ravens knelt for the Anthem at the game in England, but stood during the playing of God Save The Queen. When I read that in the news, I giggled a little too much. History.................. :tooth:
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  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    All I have to say about the stupidity of the NFL and its 4 year old mentality players is this:
    Tim Tebow was mocked and ridiculed by the NFL for kneeling to pray saying he should keep his personal beliefs off the field. So tell me you kneeling SOB's what is different now?
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,660 Senior Member
    timc wrote: »
    Tim Tebow was mocked and ridiculed by the NFL for kneeling to pray saying he should keep his personal beliefs off the field. So tell me you kneeling SOB's what is different now?

    WORD.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The top selling NFL jersey right now is the one worn by the lone veteran who told his coach to where to stick it when he kept the his team off the field and stood by himself for the anthem. It looks like some boycotts of sponsors are getting their attention, also. I have a feeling the NFL is about to feel the heat of public opinion pretty quickly.
    Jerry
  • Jack BurtonJack Burton Member Posts: 379 Member
    Teach wrote: »
    The top selling NFL jersey right now is the one worn by the lone veteran who told his coach to where to stick it when he kept the his team off the field and stood by himself for the anthem. It looks like some boycotts of sponsors are getting their attention, also. I have a feeling the NFL is about to feel the heat of public opinion pretty quickly.
    Jerry

    http://www.breitbart.com/sports/2017/09/25/villanueva-claimms-unintentionally-walked-out-tunnel-meant-remain-off-field-steelers/

    I almost bought one myself. But alas he is having regrets. I see his point only in terms of showing up those on his team who also voted to stand but were out numbered.
    Came for the fishing, stayed for the guns.
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    They say we need to understand their struggle. Then they tell us we can't understand their struggle. I say, I'm not a part of their struggle. Their struggle isn't with me. It's not with America. Their struggle is internal. Their struggle is within their own community. Their struggle has no contemporary component. It's mythical! Their success is proof the struggle died before they were born
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Struggling to read, write, get a job, and stick around when "Baby Mama" announces she's pregnant might be a good start. Once that's accomplished, maybe NOT committing crimes and running from the cops would be a good choice for a next step.
    :roll:
    Jerry
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