Hilary's Russian collusion vs. Trumps's Russian collusion

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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    It bears watching, I guess.

    I would like to hear the other side of the story, like who else wanted the job, knowing Puerta Rico is broke, and what terms they would have wanted to take on such a job. It may not be that unusual for a fast-track job. It may be that the government of PR is waiving the FEMA audit to speed up the process and is guaranteeing payment to the contractor, and expecting it to be covered by some other funds. The Governor of PR is defending it, so either he thinks it's a good deal, or he is expecting a kickback. Not enough details to make a judgement, yet.

    Since these stories come out of the woodwork with all kinds of evil predictions, and usually turn out to be no big deal, I will wait to see a few more facts, before I throw Trump under the bus. I mean, it could be as bogus as the Russia collusion stories.

    It sounds like a little much for it to be true. Like you say, we shall see.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    It bears watching, I guess.

    I would like to hear the other side of the story, like who else wanted the job, knowing Puerta Rico is broke, and what terms they would have wanted to take on such a job. It may not be that unusual for a fast-track job. It may be that the government of PR is waiving the FEMA audit to speed up the process and is guaranteeing payment to the contractor, and expecting it to be covered by some other funds. The Governor of PR is defending it, so either he thinks it's a good deal, or he is expecting a kickback. Not enough details to make a judgement, yet.

    Since these stories come out of the woodwork with all kinds of evil predictions, and usually turn out to be no big deal, I will wait to see a few more facts, before I throw Trump under the bus. I mean, it could be as bogus as the Russia collusion stories.
    Oh it's absolutely shady, but nothing will come of it. Nothing ever does.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,968 Senior Member
    The special prosecutor is charging someone on Monday
    I wonder who will go on an international flight today or Sunday.

    So all you with conspiratorial paranoia hold your breath and watch for the watchers!
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,658 Senior Member
    NN wrote: »
    The special prosecutor is charging someone on Monday
    I wonder who will go on an international flight today or Sunday.

    So all you with conspiratorial paranoia hold your breath and watch for the watchers!

    That probably just means that they are getting ready to close the investigation, and need to show something for all of the millions spent. As near as I can make out, the only guy that had any contact with Russian agents was Paul Manafort, whose house they raided and computers seized. He's the guy they tried to flip, and he apparently told them everything he knew, which was nothing. But in the process, he probably got tangled up in his story enough to nail him on some kind of lying to a federal agent charge.

    Now that the Democrat collusion has dwarfed everything they tried to invent against Trump, there is no more political mileage to be gained by the media slandering Trump on the subject, so I expect Mueller to get out pretty soon. He needs to be spending his time covering his own ass from the uranium deal investigation that should be coming up, soon.

    Just my opinion, of course.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,560 Senior Member
    Now it's being reported that Mueller will be issuing an indictment this Monday (10/30) and that the FBI has corroborated some of the info in the Trump dossier. To my knowledge, nothing other than that has been reported.

    My question is this. Did the Trump side know the indictment etc. was coming and manage to resurrect the Uranium one investigation, or is Mueller and the FBI trying to create a distraction to what is being reported for Uranium One. The timing is suspicious. to say the least.
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  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,658 Senior Member
    My reasoning is that if Mueller's mandate covers arresting Manafort for his activity before he worked in the election, it should also cover activity by Democrats. I understand that he wants to use the Ukraine case to flip him against Trump, but it opens the door to investigate some really serious collusion by Dems, if he were so inclined.

    I would be perfectly content for him to prosecute anybody, as long as he gets all of them, dating back for several years. This traitorous crap needs to stop, whoever is doing it, and it has been going on at least since Bill Clinton let China have all of our nuclear stuff from Los Alamos, overseen by his Secretary of the Interior, Bill Richardson.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I hope it all gets prosecuted and stoped, but I suspect its been going on in our election process with foreign powers other than Russia for at least 50 years and perhaps over two hundred years.
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  • Green Mtn. BoyGreen Mtn. Boy New Member Posts: 34 Member
    My best bet is you are correct however I would love to see Felonious Von Pantsuit hoist on her own petard. GMB
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    My best bet is you are correct however I would love to see Felonious Von Pantsuit hoist on her own petard. GMB

    Well said.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,857 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Yeah, but I thought that if I cited the NYT as a source, I might get a liberal to come and answer my question. Didn't work, though. If you eliminate all of the bait and switch and strawman opportunities, they won't play. Their answer to any question asked about Hilary is, 'Trump is a butthole."[/QUOTE]

    Funny thing is he's only a butthole because he beat Hillery. What's funny is the Clintons are the root of all the left's problems (Other than their views are all screwed up and just wrong) If Hillary And/Or Bill would get the book thrown at them and go away, the dems would look a lot more electable on the world scheme.
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  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Being Halloween, this seems appropriate...

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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,697 Senior Member
    I just got home and turned on FOX news and caught a story about the Clinton issues and the talking heads said the investigations uncovered the Dem primary being fixed in Hillary's favor because of the money that she fed to the party. They claimed that Obama left the party 24 million in debt and Hillary paid off their debt for the nomination and control of the party. Donna Brazil (sp?) a member of the Dem party made the announcement.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    You guys should thank her otherwise we'd have president Bernie Sanders right now. He was polling up like 15 points vs. Trump and spoke directly to and was very popular with the working class midwesterners who won Trump the electoral college.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,697 Senior Member
    You guys should thank her otherwise we'd have president Bernie Sanders right now. He was polling up like 15 points vs. Trump and spoke directly to and was very popular with the working class midwesterners who won Trump the electoral college.

    Would those have been the same polls that claimed that Hillary had a huge lead over Trump and she would easily win the presidency?
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,658 Senior Member
    You guys should thank her otherwise we'd have president Bernie Sanders right now. He was polling up like 15 points vs. Trump and spoke directly to and was very popular with the working class midwesterners who won Trump the electoral college.

    The only thing I thank her for is finally exposing the Democrat Party as a totally corrupt and completely UN-DEMOCRATIC party, in a way that all but the most rabid true believers can plainly see.

    You have always attempted to equate the Republican Party to every rotten thing your own party has done, but with all it's faults, there has never been anyone with enough criminal imagination to compare with the Clinton crime family. The only way your party differs from what everyone thinks the old Mafia was is that it so far has not resorted to assassinations to crown its new leaders.

    As far as Bernie Sanders beating Trump, that is a silly joke. Half of the voters or more in America still work for a living, and as long as the producers outnumber the pure consumers, no communist will be ever be elected. I know Bernie is only a Socialist, by leftist standards, but then they all dropped the communist label after the Soviet Union imploded. And by the way, how many socialists (who are not communists) honeymooned in the Soviet Union?
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    The only thing I thank her for is finally exposing the Democrat Party as a totally corrupt and completely UN-DEMOCRATIC party, in a way that all but the most rabid true believers can plainly see.

    You have always attempted to equate the Republican Party to every rotten thing your own party has done, but with all it's faults, there has never been anyone with enough criminal imagination to compare with the Clinton crime family. The only way your party differs from what everyone thinks the old Mafia was is that it so far has not resorted to assassinations to crown its new leaders.

    As far as Bernie Sanders beating Trump, that is a silly joke. Half of the voters or more in America still work for a living, and as long as the producers outnumber the pure consumers, no communist will be ever be elected. I know Bernie is only a Socialist, by leftist standards, but then they all dropped the communist label after the Soviet Union imploded. And by the way, how many socialists (who are not communists) honeymooned in the Soviet Union?
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    Average poll had Bernie beating Trump by 10 points. They only had Clinton up by 3, which btw is exactly because people recognized how corrupt she was and btw was pretty darn close to correct for the outcome of the popular vote. It's true anything could have happened, but we may get a chance to see in 3 years. It looks like he'll run again and Trump is running fairly consistently in the high 30's for his approval rating.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    Average poll had Bernie beating Trump by 10 points. They only had Clinton up by 3, which btw is exactly because people recognized how corrupt she was and btw was pretty darn close to correct for the outcome of the popular vote. It's true anything could have happened, but we may get a chance to see in 3 years. It looks like he'll run again and Trump is running fairly consistently in the high 30's for his approval rating.

    Anyone putting any faith in polls probably also believes in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus. Polls are the most insidious form of lying used to fool the ignorant.

    If you care to remember, Hillary was being touted to win by a large margin on election night by the polling. Funny how that blew up in the pollsters faces.
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  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Anyone putting any faith in polls probably also believes in the Tooth Fairy, the Easter Bunny, and Santa Claus. Polls are the most insidious form of lying used to fool the ignorant.

    If you care to remember, Hillary was being touted to win by a large margin on election night by the polling. Funny how that blew up in the pollsters faces.
    The polls said she would win the popular vote by 3.2 points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. I'd say they were pretty darn accurate actually.
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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,697 Senior Member
    The polls said she would win the popular vote by 3.2 points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. I'd say they were pretty darn accurate actually.

    All of your polls, charts, graphs, 8x10 glossys with circles and arrows and a paragraph on the back of each one, depicted Trump not standing a chance and Hillary becoming the next president. She even spent 3 million on fireworks to celebrate her victory. Guess what, Trump is President! Yet you still want to talk about the accuracy of your polls.
    snake284 wrote: »
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,658 Senior Member
    https://www.realclearpolitics.com/epolls/2016/president/us/general_election_trump_vs_sanders-5565.html

    Average poll had Bernie beating Trump by 10 points. They only had Clinton up by 3, which btw is exactly because people recognized how corrupt she was and btw was pretty darn close to correct for the outcome of the popular vote. It's true anything could have happened, but we may get a chance to see in 3 years. It looks like he'll run again and Trump is running fairly consistently in the high 30's for his approval rating.

    No comment on the corruption?

    Even if the polls could be trusted, they are nowhere near representative of what they would have shown in an actual head-to-head contest. Trump spent months in a bruising 16 person primary race, in which the establishment Republican candidates attacked him almost as viciously as Democrats did, after the convention. Also, Republicans already knew Bernie was not going to be allowed to win, so there were no negative ads against him. And Trump never attacked Sanders in any serious way, so at least half of all Democrats knew nothing much about him, except that he was promising free college, paid for by the wealthy, along with all of the other free stuff they like.

    As a lifelong Democrat, you would believe heavily in the effectiveness of negative campaign ads against an opponent, since that's the only kind they run, so how can you believe that a 74 year old life-long Soviet loving socialist/independent/democrat would not be harmed by negative ads? Bernie never had to seriously answer any questions in the primary, because there was no reason for Democrats to take the risk destroying him, so they did not. He would have lost in the worst landslide since Mondale barely eked out his home state against Reagan in 1984.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    The polls said she would win the popular vote by 3.2 points. She won the popular vote by 2.1 points. I'd say they were pretty darn accurate actually.

    The popular vote doesn't elect the president directly. The electoral college elects the president. Now if we could just expedite the secession of California from the U.S. .............................. WOO HOO!!!!!!! :tooth:
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  • RAEIndustriesRAEIndustries Member Posts: 68 Member
    The clintons have been teflon coated since Bill
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    The clintons have been teflon coated since Bill

    I think Hillary beat him to the punch. She got thrown off the Watergate prosecution case for lying and unethical behavior.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,610 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    I hope it all gets prosecuted and stoped, but I suspect its been going on in our election process with foreign powers other than Russia for at least 50 years and perhaps over two hundred years.
    I think you are correct. Nothing new.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    We (the U.S.) has been meddling in foreign elections for a LONG time. Most recently when Obama meddled in the Israeli elections when Netanyahu was running for reelection the last time and Obama spent a few million of OUR tax money on ads against him. Yet when some country meddles in OUR elections, the D.C. cesspool dwellers get their panties all wadded up in their butt cracks about it. Politics is a lot worse than prostitution; at least the prostitutes own up to what they're doing.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



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