Bowe Bergdahl walks away with no prison sentence

tennmiketennmike Senior MemberPosts: 25,774 Senior Member
He gets a dishonorable charge and a fine of $1,000/month for ten months and reduction in rank. I can't even begin to say what I think of this.

http://americanmilitarynews.com/2017/11/breaking-judge-says-bowe-bergdahl-wont-serve-prison-time-receives-dishonorable-discharge/?utm_campaign=alt&utm_source=militarymemes&utm_medium=facebook
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    Not surprised at the dishonorable and the reduction in rank.

    Surprised he gets off with only $10,000 fine and no jail time. Moreso because it's a military judge.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,803 Senior Member
    I don't care. I'm so sick of hearing about him maybe he'll just fade away into the wood work. If they gave him prison time the media would never drop it. He would be in the news until he died, just like OJ. This way at least maybe they won't celebrate him every time he farts. I know people died trying to rescue him. But didn't they know what he had done when he did it? This is more of Obummer's BS. He sent the cavalry after him and he jumped through burning hoops to get his hero back. In my opinion those lives are on Obummer's back. If it's me, and a coward deserts I would leave him in his pile of poo he created.
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,726 Senior Member
    Maybe he can go work for his new bosses, the DNC. Should have been shot, or hung, and buried face down in a unmarked hole.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Come on guys we need to be a little compassionate here. This guy went thru a lot the 5 years he was held by the Taliban. I am sure he needs a little kindness and help. Since deer season is upon us, anyone got a large tract of private land where we could take him hunting ... maybe ask Ex VP Cheney to come along?
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »


    And a question as I'm totally ignorant of military law/code, if you're dishonorably dishachrged, what difference does a reduction in rank make?
    I think he was a Private when he was "captured" and promoted to Sergeant while in "captivity" due to time in. Demotion would just bring him back to where he was prior to this whole sorry state of affairs, among other things.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    ..And a question as I'm totally ignorant of military law/code, if you're dishonorably dishachrged, what difference does a reduction in rank make?

    Basically, it means that he will receive several thousand dollars of back-pay while he was serving the Taliban, which will be less because he won't get paid for his 'automatic' promotions that Obama made sure he got. By the way, his attorney has filed an appeal to have even that minor wrist-slap rescinded.

    I knew he wouldn't get death because that is very unpopular with the general public, even in a WWII type scenario. But 40 years would have still been semi-reasonable, or at the very least, being sent to Guantanamo with the other war criminals. This has got to be very bad for morale, considering how many in the military have had multiple distinguished tours.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    Look for some Hollywood creep like Michael Moore or Oliver Stone to make a movie glorifying the bastard.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,095 Senior Member
    bisley wrote: »
    Look for some Hollywood creep like Michael Moore or Oliver Stone to make a movie glorifying the bastard.

    WORD.

    I'm with CPJ on this...
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  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    There was a time when they hung deserters.

    Now what about those that got killed searching for him?
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,835 Senior Member
    The DD comes with an automatic appeal.....anyone want to bet he walks with a General?
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,774 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    The DD comes with an automatic appeal.....anyone want to bet he walks with a General?

    His lawyer appealed before the ink was dry on the sentence he got.

    No matter the outcome I really, REALLY want him to show up at one of the restaurants that honor veterans on Veteran's Day.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,835 Senior Member
    SIGgal wrote: »
    This is heartbreaking. People died trying to find this loser and all he gets is a slap on the wrist? This just isn't right!

    Well...a DD is hardly a slap on the wrist but this thing went sideways in a big way....

    I will note that the C in C needs to learn there are times he needs to keep his mouth shut...especially when his "opinion" could influence the outcome of a criminal case....
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I will note that the C in C needs to learn there are times he needs to keep his mouth shut...especially when his "opinion" could influence the outcome of a criminal case....
    Yep. Then he had to Tweet afterward--an insult to the (active military) judge. Some people just don't know when to shut up. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    I think he was a Private when he was "captured" and promoted to Sergeant while in "captivity" due to time in. Demotion would just bring him back to where he was prior to this whole sorry state of affairs, among other things.
    Automatic promotion to SGT E-5 was not automatic 8 years ago when I was medically retired. Of course Obama could have done it with the stroke of his magic pen.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Yep. Then he had to Tweet afterward--an insult to the (active military) judge. Some people just don't know when to shut up. Sometimes silence speaks louder than words.
    Verbal communication can be disputed (misunderstood/out of context). Written documentation on social media (twitter, face book, email, or texting) is legal evidence. Never write anything on line you would not want to share with the world.
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,378 Senior Member
    I'm somewhat surprised that he's walking away with no jail time. I haven't been keeping up with anything post-verdict simply because I grew tired of the willful ignorance that was being spewed by the talking heads on various cable networks, as well as online in numerous venues. I'm more intrigued than frustrated, but from what I understand of the court proceedings many questions that the typical civilian and even long-separated veteran might not consider were weighed during the trial:

    - Just how much 3rd, 4th, 5th, etc order effects are we going to hold an E-3 responsible for? At the end of the day, the men who were killed or injured while searching for him did so under the authority of their respective commanders, who assumed the risk for a personnel recovery mission. Apparently the answer is we aren't going to hold a then (and now again) Private responsible for that. Such is how the military works.

    - Was his time in captivity taken into consideration? I would imagine so, and all accounts render that it wasn't exactly a stay at a luxury hotel. Regardless of the thoughts of a US troop walking off base and what motivated that, and what may or may not have been his intent, time spent as a POW in the hands of the enemy should count for something.

    - Was there political pressure to lessen his sentence? I think, given the "tweet" from our POTUS, that we can definitely rule that this wasn't the case.

    At the end of the day, especially given that it was a sentence dolled out by a military judge, under an administration that has made no bones about expressing a bias in the case, there has got to more to it and more came to light in the trial than we are privy to as the general public. All emotions aside, IMO all the cards were stacked against now PVT Bergdahl for what sentence may have come. As such, the best course of action seems to be to yield to the discretion of the Judge and trust that whatever information was revealed in the trial was weighed in making this decision.

    I was recently privy to an impromptu, but refreshingly in depth and civil discussion about this amongst currently serving and retired military officers and NCOs (most of them SERE trained, for the record). It was during this conversation that a lot of these thoughts I've mentioned already were brought up, and it was thought provoking to say the least.

    Something else was brought up that I've rarely heard mention of in the media; Bergdahl was discharged from the Coast Guard for being mentally unfit, and then was able to enlist in the Army. IIRC, he enlisted in 2008 or so, when there was still a push to increase recruiting. I believe, personally, that this is a case of the potentially disastrous long term effects (remember my mention of 3rd, 4th, etc order effects) of people unfit for service slipping through the cracks of our recruitment process.

    On a side note, this whole ordeal has given me some faith in our military justice system. Instead of shooting at the hip and bending to pressure from public opinion, and ultimately indirect political pressure under the current administration, they took their time and gave the case its due attention and consideration. Right, wrong, or indifferent, this is a good sign that we still take issues of recovered POWs very seriously.

    (For further looks into this topic, Season 02 of "Serial Podcast" looks into the Bergdahl case in depth: https://serialpodcast.org/season-two)
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,835 Senior Member
    I don't think his time in captivity should count for squat....he was captured because he deserted so that's all on him....
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,481 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    I don't think his time in captivity should count for squat....he was captured because he deserted so that's all on him....

    :that:
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    SS3,

    Thanks for this 'new to me' perspective. I still don't agree with the sentence, but I'll admit that I did not know about his discharge from the Coast Guard. From what I can find out about it from reading various sources, he was just a part of the 10% of CG recruits whoroutinely flunk out of boot camp and are given a discharge that is neither honorable nor dishonorable. The 'mentally unfit' characterization apparently comes from the opinions of his friends, and was not given as a reason for his discharge. Basically, it seems that the CG deemed him unfit for their service, for whatever reason, and did not choose to delve into any of the possible psychological aspects of his case. They pretty much just said, 'you flunked, go home, we don't want you.'

    Still, it does kind of explain why the Army chose not to deal more harshly with him. They accepted his enlistment at a time when they had been forced to lower their standards to fill the need for 'warm bodies.' To my way of thinking, that probably means that the decision to let him into the Army, despite his previous failure in the CG, was made at lower levels, rather than being kicked upstairs for a more careful analysis.

    It means, to me, that the Army is accepting some culpability for their failure to screen out an unfit recruit, thereby allowing him to man a position that put other soldiers in peril. Somewhere up in the chain of command, probably at the Secretary of Defense level, it was probably decided that a harsh sentence would keep the case in the public eye for a long time, due to appeals and press coverage, and that the Army selection process would be dragged through the mud and be more harmful to morale than just letting him go.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    I think he was a Private when he was "captured" and promoted to Sergeant while in "captivity" due to time in. Demotion would just bring him back to where he was prior to this whole sorry state of affairs, among other things.
    Promotion to Private E-2 through Specialist E-4 can be time in grade. Sergeant E-5 and above requires additional schools and a Promotion Board.
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,378 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 wrote: »
    Promotion to Private E-2 through Specialist E-4 can be time in grade. Sergeant E-5 and above requires additional schools and a Promotion Board.


    With the exception of POWs. They are promoted automatically at the DA prescribed TIGs until we recover them, as a show of faith that we have not forgotten them. LTC James Rowe went from 1LT all the way to MAJ while in captivity, as just one example. If it is deemed, after their recovery, that they acted dishonorably they are tried, demoted, fined, etc.

    Was the 100% SERE-A training requirement in place while you were in? I am fairly certain that it covers this.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    With the exception of POWs. They are promoted automatically at the DA prescribed TIGs until we recover them, as a show of faith that we have not forgotten them. LTC James Rowe went from 1LT all the way to MAJ while in captivity, as just one example. If it is deemed, after their recovery, that they acted dishonorably they are tried, demoted, fined, etc.

    Was the 100% SERE-A training requirement in place while you were in? I am fairly certain that it covers this.
    I was a designated assistant instructor for Survive, Evade, Resist, Escape training. Unfortunately that is far from the only thing I have forgotten. Thank you.
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