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Tax the rich! Take it ALL

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  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    NOT THAT SIMPLE...


    Jobs, Zuckenberg, Gates, etc. are guys that outside of what opportunities, money and connections they had or lacked at their disposal they had something else that is very rare, the clear understanding of something that is NEW, much better than the next guy and the will to exploit it and more important than all of that the understanding of people.

    Not only of their client base but more so of who they need to accomplish their goal and how to motivate and keep those folks in their companies, Gates allegedly purchased the language he needed to get his software empire doing it's baby steps for a mere $10 grand but just that did not made Microsoft, that probably amounted to a grain of sand in a large desert, anyone that thinks that was what made Gates who he is has a very infantile understanding of all!

    This guys besides all else required can spot real talent, hard working loyal talent from miles and know how to keep them in their camps, those that are key members of their organizations, specially early on, are tapped by many others with very deep pockets and resources and are offered the moon to jump ship, some will do but enough stay, if not there would be dozens of successful Mac, Microsoft and Facebook clones around even with those confidentiality agreements that in a new undefined yet industry are not so easy to enforce.
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  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    You must think anybody can run Coca-Cola, perhaps you should apply. Obviously you don't know that stock options vest over time,
    usually 5 years, if the value of the stock doesn't go up during that time your options are worthless.The Stockholders hire CEO's not Coca-Cola, his job
    is to make money for the stock holders. Their payed that much because because the people who own the company(stock holders)
    think he can improve the company's financial condition (profits) I know that's a cuss word to Socialist. Sounds like you have been drinking the Obama "Kool-Aid".
    Tugar wrote: »
    I know this is going to sounds socialist, but there is room for improvement. About 15 years ago, I saw the salary for the CEO of Coca-Cola. He made about 116 Million in salary, and another 119 Million in stock options. So in one year, one person grossed almost a quarter of a BILLION dollars....for selling sugared water. To me that is obscene. I can't see any reason someone should make THAT kind of money, when the lowest guys on the totem poll struggle to make it paycheck to paycheck.

    Guess what. If you taxed him at 75%....he's still making 58 million and change. I don't see the logic in the super rich crying about more taxes when most of them have surpluses larger than small nations.

    The flip side of that is the government is a wasteful overloaded garbage-fest. Cleaning that up would reduce the need to collect such taxes.
  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    Welfare abuse, illegal aliens, drugs, lot's of problems out there that take a toll in many ways and certainly they do so when it comes to the funds all of us that pay taxes contribute to, that money is there because there is plenty of folks that work and contribute, if not we would not be the RICHEST country in the world, we are not the largest, not the one with the largest population but hands down the richest, still, and this is because the majority of it's citizens has a reasonable work ethic.

    The priority to me, and priority means you deal with something first, you put a larger effort into something, does not mean you forget about the other stuff is to make sure that those we TRUST with managing this money do so the best way, addingo mere money to waste, just that, a waste.
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  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    DoctorWho wrote: »
    "Man walked on the moon, nothing wrong with that and many indispensable things are funded via taxes "

    Where is the negative on my comment?

    Then, no bean counter has sat down to do the math on the technical benefit versus the expense that event had on humanity and then we will never know if this advances would had come from another direction regardless.

    Long, long before the moon thing alchemists made many useful discoveries as well looking for a way to turn simple metals into gold and silver and for a panacea that would cure all illness and would extend human life, greed can be beneficial as well.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,911 Senior Member
    Give me a better example then? Nomadic specifically called out Zuckerberg as a rugged individual. How about Steve Jobs?
    I'll give Jobs and Wozniak more credit than I would Zuckerberg. At least they started using their own resources and business set-up in a garage. And, as far as I know, they didn't require all those engineers until they needed to grow, but by then they were already heading down the road to success. Zuckerberg, on the other hand was a parasite in my view, at least in the way he was portrayed in the movie about his "invention." He used everybody around him to get his start, and his idea as I said in the previous post was ripped off from the two brothers. I'm not taking away anything from his total accomplishments, but I feel that the way he did it was on the sleezy side, not through rugged individualism. Obviously we have a difference of opinion on that, like almost everything else.
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  • bruchibruchi Senior Member Posts: 2,581 Senior Member
    I'll give Jobs and Wozniak more credit than I would Zuckerberg. At least they started using their own resources and business set-up in a garage. And, as far as I know, they didn't require all those engineers until they needed to grow, but by then they were already heading down the road to success. Zuckerberg, on the other hand was a parasite in my view, at least in the way he was portrayed in the movie about his "invention." He used everybody around him to get his start, and his idea as I said in the previous post was ripped off from the two brothers. I'm not taking away anything from his total accomplishments, but I feel that the way he did it was on the sleezy side, not through rugged individualism. Obviously we have a difference of opinion on that, like almost everything else.

    We all come up with ideas, my mom, the neighbor, you and me, making them work is the real success and the difficult part.

    When I lived in Miami working as a photographer's assistant early in my carrer the Sony Walkman had just appeared, a "reat" idea came to my mind for a picture to put on my portfolio, a starry background with a Walkman floating in space framed by the hands of an astronaut, no access to astronaut gloves so another idea that I never fulfilled, eeks later I move to New York City and there at port authority bus terminal is a huge billboard with exactly the picture of the walkman in space, clearly more than one mind had the idea but whomever got that billboard done actually made it more than just an idea.

    Also when I was trying to become a screenwriter in Hollywood I outlined a screenplay for "Die Hard 3". I never mentioned to anyone anything about it.

    "Die Hard 3' was almost to a tee the script I had outlined, someone else actually had a very similar idea down to the bad guy being Gruber's brother's adn John McClain being forced to run around the city in my version it was in LA, with a forced partner adn my version also ended with a ship near land, thing is that someone else actually with an almost identical idea sat down, wrote as many drafts where necessary and them pounded his connections to get it green ligthed.

    7 billion folks in the planet, ideas and even knowledge are CHEAP, matching both and getting them to fruition is not and the real accomplishment and the hard part.
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  • DoctorWhoDoctorWho Senior Member Posts: 9,496 Senior Member
    Look at who invented "white out" the story is really amazing.
    "There is some evil in all of us, Doctor, even you, the Valeyard is an amalgamation of the darker sides of your nature, somewhere between your twelfth and final incarnation, and I may say, you do not improve with age. Founding member of the G&A forum since 1996
  • blueslide88blueslide88 Member Posts: 273 Member
    Those that would criticize (perhaps covet) others who have made it big time as multi-millionaires obviously don't believe in freedom, it seems to me. Doesn't this country believe in the absolute right of citizens to rise as high as they can economically? To make as much money as they can? Or can't, because lots fail, but most keep struggling toward success. Wall Streeters are painted as greedy do-nothings who take and take more, but contribute nothing back, they say. Coke execs are criticized here for their success. On and on they rave. What utter nonsense.

    This is a free country under attack by liberal forces bent on destroying capitalism, with repressive taxes on the "rich" and giveaway programs for those who pay no federal income taxes, endless regulations, and so-called environmental restrictions. The Canada to Texas oil pipeline is a good example of greenie nonsense, and symbolizes the liberal determination to undermine our economy by turning it into a socialistic eden, which will self-destruct under its own weight. Obamacare is another example of the attack on our freedoms and wallets.

    Capitalism cannot exist without freedom, and that's what this country is all about. Class warfare and income redistribution is the name of the Obama game, and far too many people are falling for it. Life is not fair, but in a free society everyone has the freedom and the opportunity to improve their station in life, and at least that position is extremely fair. It is the American way, and does the most good for most of the people. Get the government out of the way.
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