Nikki Haley

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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,430 Senior Member
    SO WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR!

    I agree!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,607 Senior Member
    Michakav wrote: »
    I agree!

    So do I!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,672 Senior Member
    100% Correct
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,697 Senior Member
    What I'm really confused/curious about is the fact that President Trump had every intention of leaving the UN and then changed his mind. I'm sure that his advisors talked him out of it but a good explanation was never given and I'd really like to hear the real story.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,731 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    What I'm really confused/curious about is the fact that President Trump had every intention of leaving the UN and then changed his mind. I'm sure that his advisors talked him out of it but a good explanation was never given and I'd really like to hear the real story.

    My belief? Trump never really meant that we were going to pull out of the UN. That was the opening salvo of a renegotiation of a contract. Look at it from the business perspective:

    Say a Fortune 500 company is wanting to renegotiate their contract with... lets say Oracle. They have been a customer for years, and think that they are paying too much or not getting enough service. One day, they publicly publish an RFP (request for proposal) or RFI (request for information) to Oracle and their competitors (Infor, IBM, SAP, etc...) and throw in a couple of requirements that Oracle can't or don't currently support. The Company does not really want to rip out Oracle, but they do want to get a better deal. Oracle HAS to take it seriously, or one of the competitors could make a sweet enough offer to make it worthwhile for the Company to do a 'rip-and-replace' of the existing system. This gets Oracle to either try and work out a side deal and the company cancels the RFP/RFI, or fight it out in the open with their competitors. (By the way, this happens ALL THE TIME in the business world. Steve Jobs/ Apple did this to Motorola with the old PowerPC RISC processors. Beat them down to the point that Motorola was basically paying Apple to use them - Motorola was losing $5 on every processor they shipped. Then Apple sends out and RFP and Intel finally makes a sweet enough proposal and won... and then Motorola went toes up.)

    Trump saying he was going to pull out of the UN was the equivalent of the public RFP/RFI. He does not really think he will (but the option exists), but it's mostly just beating a vendor about the head with the biggest stick he has- the checkbook. This is the world Trump comes out of.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,112 Senior Member
    Regarding Trump and the UN, also consider this story:

    http://www.motherjones.com/politics/2016/10/trump-files-when-donald-trump-told-larry-king-his-breath-stank-national-television/

    Yeah, it's a liberal rag, but it's also one of the better-relayed incidents of the story (and it talks about how Trump actually said King's breath wasn't bad THAT NIGHT.) It's part of his negotiation practice: make 'em think of something else so they're not fully devoted to the business at hand. I think that's also what he does with his Twitter account.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    Tactic also works with his base. He can throw out red meat like leaving the UN and get them riled up even if his only intention is to negotiate some budget cuts.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,112 Senior Member
    Tactic also works with his base. He can throw out red meat like leaving the UN and get them riled up even if his only intention is to negotiate some budget cuts.
    Wasn't Pres. Obama going to close GITMO?

    Works both ways.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    And leaving Afghanistan..and iraq...
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,112 Senior Member
    Yep. All presidents break "campaign promises," I'm pretty sure.

    I just don't know why we call 'em "promises."
    Overkill is underrated.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    President Trump had every intention of leaving the UN and then changed his mind.

    Why create a huge uproar by tipping over the applecart when it's slower, but just as effective to put the pushcart vendor out of business by diverting his customers to some other location or stealing his apples one at a time? Strangling cash flow works- - - -it's just a slower process than armed robbery. The UN can't waste as much money if the US refuses to keep the financial tap flowing wide open.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,744 Senior Member
    Wasn't Pres. Obama going to close GITMO?

    Works both ways.
    Oh absolutely. Politicians making big promises they don't intend to keep is a tactic as old as politics
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,112 Senior Member
    Politics is the second oldest profession on earth.

    And it has some startling similarities to the oldest profession.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    At least the hookers are honest about being for sale to the highest bidder!
    :jester:
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,731 Senior Member
    Politics is the second oldest profession on earth.

    And it has some startling similarities to the oldest profession.

    They screw the people they work for, and end up richer for it?
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,112 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Yes but in Obama’s case these “broken promises” where used to negotiate what? There is a difference between negotiation tactics and ignorant ineptitude.
    Well, they helped get him elected, so I'd say they were used for riling up the base and getting folks to vote.

    Trump's a businessman who thinks about winning the best deal. Politicians think about winning the next election.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,607 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    At least the hookers are honest about being for sale to the highest bidder!
    :jester:
    Jerry

    And give honest value for your dollar!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,560 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    At least the hookers are honest about being for sale to the highest bidder!
    :jester:
    Jerry

    They don't sell, they rent.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,607 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    They don't sell, they rent.

    If it Flies, Floats, or Fornicates, you're better off renting! :tooth:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,560 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    If it Flies, Floats, or Fornicates, you're better off renting! :tooth:

    You left out swimming pools. My wife wants one, as well as a boat. I told her that a boat is a hole in the water into which one throws money, whereas a pool is a hole in the ground into which one throws money.

    I've had both, and write from experience.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,607 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    You left out swimming pools. My wife wants one, as well as a boat. I told her that a boat is a hole in the water into which one throws money, whereas a pool is a hole in the ground into which one throws money.

    I've had both, and write from experience.

    I feel your pain...

    Wife wants a pool, and I finally got her talked into an above ground version as I can throw the damn thing away every 5 years and buy a new one for FAR less than an in-ground.

    I think I have her talked outta the boat. I spent 22 years on the water - if I never set foot on another boat it would be exactly 22 seconds too soon! Break Out Another Thousand.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member

    SO WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR!

    Regarding the hurricanes and fires, there is/was only one country in the UN I know of that sent any people. Israel sent people to PR and Texas to help with disaster relief and search and rescue. They sent more people to other areas hit by the hurricanes. Tiny little Israel is the ONLY one that sent any people. Everybody else just sat on their cans, played pocket pool, and turned their backs.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,672 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    You left out swimming pools. My wife wants one, as well as a boat. I told her that a boat is a hole in the water into which one throws money, whereas a pool is a hole in the ground into which one throws money.

    I've had both, and write from experience.

    BOAT = Bring Out Another Thousand
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,731 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Regarding the hurricanes and fires, there is/was only one country in the UN I know of that sent any people. Israel sent people to PR and Texas to help with disaster relief and search and rescue. They sent more people to other areas hit by the hurricanes. Tiny little Israel is the ONLY one that sent any people. Everybody else just sat on their cans, played pocket pool, and turned their backs.

    Put Kiwi land down as having sent aid to the USA in time of need............Firefighters to help in California up to 2008........Aid to Katrina and other natural disasters over the years.

    I have always wondered why the rest of the world has always turned to the USA in times of need/natural disasters...........but those countries who accept aid always seem to be missing in action when something happens in the USA.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Put Kiwi land down as having sent aid to the USA in time of need............Firefighters to help in California up to 2008........Aid to Katrina and other natural disasters over the years.

    I have always wondered why the rest of the world has always turned to the USA in times of need/natural disasters...........but those countries who accept aid always seem to be missing in action when something happens in the USA.

    Due to the highly biased Lame Stream Media, I didn't know that. The LSM has been more into reporting the plight of the undocumented shoppers during natural disasters here. Glad to hear we've got someone else that helps us out in bad times here. ANOTHER nation that is MUCH bigger that all the rest combined when it comes to being a friend in good times and bad.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,548 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Due to the highly biased Lame Stream Media, I didn't know that. The LSM has been more into reporting the plight of the undocumented shoppers during natural disasters here. Glad to hear we've got someone else that helps us out in bad times here. ANOTHER nation that is MUCH bigger that all the rest combined when it comes to being a friend in good times and bad.

    I second that. Thanks, Kiwi...
    And pass that along to all your Kiwi friends.

    Our media here tends to overlook good. Were it in my power to apologize for them, I certainly would.

    Mike

    Thanks,
    Decisions have consequences, not everything in life gets an automatic mulligan.
    KSU Firefighter
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,560 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    NZ firefighters! Pass another beer mate...
    full.jpg

    That so reminds me of my 4 year old grandson!
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    NZ firefighters! Pass another beer mate...
    full.jpg

    Reminds me of a few fox hunts I went on with my neighbor and his fox hunting buddies in my early teens. Stay up all night, pass the bottle(they wouldn't let me have any most of the time:mad:), listen to the dogs run, arguing about which dog was in the lead, and pee on the fire in the morning to put it out! :roll2: Man, I miss those days! The longer the night went on, the better the stories got! For a young feller my age, I was in high cotton! :up:
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,429 Senior Member
    JerryBobCo wrote: »
    They don't sell, they rent.

    They're smarter than dope dealers- - - - -a pusher can't spray a little perfume on his crack and sell it over and over!
    :devil:
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,610 Senior Member
    The UN is a failed organization, just as the league of nations was. And, unless you have first hand knowledge to say otherwise, your argument is invalid. I have seen UN operations of the course of my career. I have seen were letting UN "operations" has gotten us. I think the Ethiopians had it better when they appealed to the League of Nations.

    The UN failed the Balkans, their failure contributed to SFOR operations for the next 7-8 years. The UN has failed dang near all of Africa, a direct result was Operation Gothic Serpent. The UN failed in Iraq with there advise and assist mission. The UN has failed in the Sinai, and we rotate forces there every nine months. You name the operation and there has been a failure. The UN failed the Afghan people during the soviet invasion and allowed the Taliban to flourish in the camps.

    And lets not talk about Disaster Recovery. What exactly does the UN do for that...Tell me. What resources do they provide? Absolutely zero. It is all the resources of another nation under the flag of the UN.

    So it seems to me, that is supporting the UN is going to cost us lives, time, and more money then we should just keep the money ourselves and conduct the operations under our flag...as we see fit.

    I have watched the UN place refugees on a bus, take them to their home town, make them sleep in bombed out houses overnight, and return them back to the refugee camp the next day. The UN then counted these refugees as returned, subtracted them from the camp count, and re-added them to the camp count...Why? So they could get more money because they took in more refugees.

    Did anyone see the UN during Katrina? Sandy? Puerto Rico? Did the UN bring in extra fire teams to help us in the west.

    SO WHAT ARE WE PAYING FOR!
    My limited first hand knowledge is Balkans. SFOR 7 March thru September 2000. We were MEDEVAC support for the 115th Field Hospital Task Force Med Eagle, Eagle Base/Tuzla Air Base, Bosnia and Herzegovina. Our Area of Operation was Bosnia, Croatia, Slovenia, and Hungary where a sister hospital was located at Tazar Air Base. With 6 UH-60 Blackhawks we visited many places. I saw very few UN personnel.
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