The GAO And Illegal Internet Gun Sales

Nomadac

The GAO And Illegal Internet Gun Sales.

"Over two years, the GAO–operating mostly under the Obama administration, I might add–couldn’t manage to pull off one illegal gun sale via the internet."

http://https://bearingarms.com/tom-k/2018/01/03/gao-illegal-gun-sales/?utm_source=badaily&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nl

NCFUBAR

They went 0 out of 72 attempts and 5 of those 72 sites they attempted locked down the account they were trying to use to illegally buy a firearm. Like the gunshow loophole the standard internet (not dark web) loophole has been debunked by their own department.

tennmike

Wambli Ska wrote: »

Just edited your link so it works. Here is the link to the actual report from the study. It's an interesting read for those so inclined...

https://www.gao.gov/assets/690/689214.pdf

Well worth the time to read. I guess they proved that the internet sales system works pretty well in keeping things on the legal side. Maybe they(GAO) should have this read into the Congressional Register to force the usual suspect Congresscritters too shut the hell up about buying guns on the internet being no problem whatsoever.

NCFUBAR

My son just asked a good question ... How much money did they waste doing this “study”?

He also said their buying sting was screwed up almost as bad as when they pulled back around 2010 with the selling sting Fast and Furious.

sgtrock21

tennmike wrote: »

Well worth the time to read. I guess they proved that the internet sales system works pretty well in keeping things on the legal side. Maybe they(GAO) should have this read into the Congressional Register to force the usual suspect Congresscritters too shut the hell up about buying guns on the internet being no problem whatsoever.

I am confident everyone here is aware of the "Illegal Internet Gun Sales Loophole" being a textbook example of a "Half Truth" which works quite well on the uninformed and easily frightened. I have never been a FFL dealer. Can I purchase a "fixed ammunition" firearm on the internet? Absolutely. Access dealer website. Choose firearm. Type in credit card info. I have technically purchased a firearm on the internet (The Horror!) Can I have that firearm legally shipped directly to me? Absolutely not! It can only be shipped to a FFL and prior to my taking possession I must complete an ATF form 4473 and pass a background check. If our Government Accountability Office was unaware of these requirements we are in serious trouble. I actually think it was a test of compliance. 100% speaks for it's self.

Danoobie

Every time some liberal starts blathering about " how easy it is to buy a gun", I just say
"Oh yeah? Then go out and buy one right now, and come right back.". I'm still waiting
for that first "easy to buy" gun to show up.

tennmike

The Liberal and low information people would freak out and brick up the entrance to their safe spaces while they were in it if they knew how easy it was to buy firearms pre GCA 1968. As a teenager, I could go into any gun store in town, lay down my money, and walk out with any rifle or shotgun in the place that I could afford, and did so many times. The shop owners knew my Dad, had talked with him, and knew I was O.K. to sell to, and they did. Pistols were another matter. At that time in TN, and a lot later, you had to get the Sheriff's 'permission papers' to buy any pistol in TN pretty much everywhere I went. They did an early version of a 'background check' that took 5 days back then. Had to fill out one in '76 when I bought a Colt 1911 and a Ruger Mk 1 .22 pistol. Mail order gun ads for milsurps from everywhere, including 20mm antitank rifles could be bought and shipped right to your front door via the U.S. Postal Service. And ammo to go with them was dirt cheap and plentiful, pre GCA 68.

Crime rates with firearms were relatively low. Things didn't really get bad until after 1968 due to a lot of other things going on. The Weather Underground, Black Panthers, Students for a Democratic Society (really like ANTIFA now), the Simbionese Liberation Army (SLA), and a few other groups got violent right about then with civil rights, and a weak attempt at Communist/Socialist takeover. And the Vietnam War was going full swing then, and there were the antiwar protesters agitating like crazy.

Guns never were the problem; PEOPLE WITH NO SELF CONTROL and no respect for themselves and especially for others became the problem. And drug use went off the charts. Marijuana and pharmaceutical drugs were readily available and easily obtainable for the people in the first sentence of this paragraph. And the people using them found out that it was an easy way to a lot of money to sell them. The number of available drugs now is a pale shadow of what it was back then. The War on Drugs started by Nixon took a lot off the market, and now there are just a few, and the few left are the worst of the worst, excluding marijuana.

If you were alive back then during that mess and saw it unfold, then you know what I mean. Actually seeing it get worse and worse with each Fed Gov 'intervention' and seeing rights being eroded like a plowed field in a flood, and feeling helpless to stop it, and no one in power standing up and screaming 'Enough is enough!' and stopping the madness.

So we are where we are now due to the idiocy of four decades, the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. And the people coming up in those decades that started going feral justified it in the minds of the power brokers. And the sheep bleated in unison and all said, "Please sir, may I have some more?" I'm pretty disgusted with a near majority of people in my country that drink the swill and bleat for more.

Teach

I can remember having to sign for .22 rimfire "because it's handgun ammo". Fortunately that Bovine Scatology got phased out about the time Jimmy Carter got booted out of office!
Jerry

Green Mtn. Boy

Well that drove the nail in one of the Left's favorite boogieman and talking points.

zorba

tennmike wrote: »

So we are where we are now due to the idiocy of four decades, the 60s, 70s, 80s, and 90s. And the people coming up in those decades that started going feral justified it in the minds of the power brokers. And the sheep bleated in unison and all said, "Please sir, may I have some more?" I'm pretty disgusted with a near majority of people in my country that drink the swill and bleat for more.

Yep, yep, yep, and yeppers.

tennmike

Teach wrote: »

I can remember having to sign for .22 rimfire "because it's handgun ammo". Fortunately that Bovine Scatology got phased out about the time Jimmy Carter got booted out of office!
Jerry

Wasn't just .22 rimfire. Remember the poo storm when someone introduced a 7.62x39 pistol? OMG! A pistol with armor piercing ammo! OH NOES! :silly: :silly: Then they started looking at all the pistols out there that shot rifle rounds and had schnitzit fit! More frantic antics from Dianne Frankenstein and Co. We's all gonna die! :silly: :silly: And then it all just went away.............. :uhm: I had(still have) a couple of Lone Eagle pistols at the time chambered for .223 and ..308 Win. There was talk from Dianne Frankenstein about not just banning, but confiscating those pistols that shot rifle rounds. It went nowhere fast. That was when Bill Strange Humidor Clinton was in the oval office and the militias were sprouting up everywhere like dandelions in the spring. That might have given the gun grabber goons pause. I know it went away pretty fast, though.