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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 12,617 Senior Member
    I've been hiding in my fallout shelter since Friday. Is it truly all over? The Republic did not fall? Space aliens did not invade? I was running out of Spam and my toilet was filling up....thank God it's all over.
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,912 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Looks like the Democrats were in control of one or both chambers during most of them.

    Heh heh, you noticed that too. I wonder who's learning from whom.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Heh heh, you noticed that too. I wonder who's learning from whom.

    I remember a couple of them in the late '70s because I was in the National Guard, and one of them delayed our two week annual jamboree at Ft. Stewart, GA. :tooth:
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Let's take the wind out of the commiecraps' sails- - - -if they're so concerned about the DACA dummies getting deported, I've got the perfect solution. Every time ICE captures one, give him/her/it a one way Greyhound bus ticket - - - - -to California! Let's see how welcome a few million more parasite are then- - - - -and they're NOT being deported!
    Jerry
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,930 Senior Member
    I think Brown would go for that one, his check from Mexico would get bigger.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Let's take the wind out of the commiecraps' sails- - - -if they're so concerned about the DACA dummies getting deported, I've got the perfect solution. Every time ICE captures one, give him/her/it a one way Greyhound bus ticket - - - - -to California! Let's see how welcome a few million more parasite are then- - - - -and they're NOT being deported!
    Jerry

    A little while ago FOX was playing one of Schumers speeches about the DACA "children" being here out of there control as they were helpless babes brought here by their parents. They pointed out that the average age of these helpless babes is 26 years old now. I'm pretty sure a twenty six year old would know weather they were here legally and would be capable of going through the appropriate channels to become legal citizens. Since Schumer wants to keep these illegals here, he and Pelosi should split them between San Francisco and New York. Let's see if Schumer can get re-elected after he causes 400,000 illegal aliens to be dropped in New York.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Immigration and border security are a big part of Trump's agenda and has been long overdue to be addressed. This move brings it front and center. Hopefully they don't do something too stupid, but what we currently have at the moment is severely stupid. Something less stupid would be a win, I guess.

    Immigration or infrastructure were always going to be next up, as a 'olive branch' gesture to Democrats, who have little interest in the economy, jobs, or the military. So, letting Schumer claim that he busted balls to get the issue up front and center is just a part of that, and was certainly expected.

    The worst part of this whole deal for Schumer was not his capitulation on allowing the vote - it was the result of the vote, 81-19, which means that 30 Democrats voted to fund the government on Trump/McConnell terms. That encompasses the 25 Senate seats that are up for grabs, plus another five. Schumer has to be horrified to know that these people now know that the others exist. Heretofore, most of them likely believed that if they broke with the current party line, they would be pariahs in their own party. It just may be that ten or so of them might be in play the next time, or some other time, when 60 votes are needed.

    It's too soon to tell, but this could very well be the first crack in the armor of a Democrat party that has been marching in lockstep for several years, behind one of their ancient leadership 'icons.' The 'Deep State' revelations that keep surfacing don't bode well for Democrats, either, should the Justice Department ever find the cojones needed to prosecute (or at least fire) some of their own. Combine all of that with Donna Brazile's revelations about Hilary buying out the Democrat party in the last election, and there may be a few folks going 'off the reservation' before another election. At some point, just blaming everything on Fox News and talk radio ain't goin' to cut it (I hope).
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    You guys don't see the half of it. The GS guys like Diver see a good portion of it, actually with his view of the TRANSCOM piece he sees a lot of the impact. It goes beyond me not being able to PCS or Travel. It means I loose all support. Period. Fuel runs out before the end of the shutdown, we don't fly, drive, or sail until the government can buy more. We go RED or BLACK on Ammo, then we don't get any until the AHA gets resupplied. Satellite Time needs to be renewed, well no C2 over the horizon. Fiber lease done for the qtr? No C5ISR. Food runs out? We go to MREs, and then we go to reduced MRE Rations, and so on. I die? My family gets NOTHING until the government comes back up...and even then they have to wait for the paperwork to get through the right hands. In the meantime, I sit in a Morgue with a toe tag until the government can move my body and my family can dispose of it as they see fit.
    And while I am tied to a base because I have to conserve fuel and ammo, that means the enemy is running free (well they do that here anyway) with complete freedom of movement to set the battlefield conditions to what they want them to be for when we are able to return.

    A government Shut down is more than me just not getting a pay check while I am in a lost war of some Shothole country.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I am in a lost war of some Shothole country.

    Some things never change- - - - - -our best young men and women have been sacrificed for no good reason since the politicians started running the military- - - - -beginning in the 1950's in Korea. Most of the lily-livered cowards never wore a uniform, but they can sure play political games with money! Screw 'em all!
    Jerry
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    Teach - Yes sir. I am completely bitter and jaded about what we are doing here in this country. I've lost good friends here for damn reason at all. We are killing them by the scores, but we are not winning. We will never win here unless we killed every last man, woman, and child. I never thought I would be this way, but we have to get out of this fight. The other fights around the world we could invest in, other fights where the people want better and just need the capital (resources more so than money) support we bring.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,193 Senior Member
    Teach - Yes sir. I am completely bitter and jaded about what we are doing here in this country. I've lost good friends here for damn reason at all. We are killing them by the scores, but we are not winning. We will never win here unless we killed every last man, woman, and child. I never thought I would be this way, but we have to get out of this fight. The other fights around the world we could invest in, other fights where the people want better and just need the capital (resources more so than money) support we bring.

    Centermass i have a co worker that like you has spent a lot of time over there. We have talked and while I only have the first Gulf War to go by, he has said many times, the only way to win is kill everyone over the age of 10 and then, maybe things can be OK with the next generation. But even that can not be guaranteed.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Centermass in post #80 and Jerry in post #81 nailed it. These shutdowns are deadly dangerous to our men and women in uniform and whichever party causes it are nothing more than grandstanding anus chapeaus that care NOT ONE DAMN about those people in uniform. If the filthy scum sucking politicians won't stand behind them and give them what they need to do the job with which they are tasked, then these politicians should be made to stand in front of them during any firefight to see firsthand what they are doing. If they survive, then they might be a little more ready to stop the stupidity.

    As to what Diver 43 said his coworker told him, you'd have to go lower than 10 y.o. By the time they've reached 10 y.o. they are pretty much fully indoctrinated in the 'hate and kill the infidel'. Look at the Gaza Strip if you need an example.

    What Centermass said about us needing to get out of this fight and put our resources elsewhere makes sense. Let them either claw their way into the 21st century on their own hook, or stay in the stone age with modern weapons and kill each other. And isolate them so they can't spread it outside their borders.
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Follow up from post #22 earlier on this thread. Email from my congressman on 1/20/18...
    Dan Kildee wrote:
    Unfortunately, early this morning, the U.S. federal government shut down because the Republican-led Congress failed to do its job and pass a budget. A government shutdown is reckless and has serious implications for our economy and military.

    My reply...
    Jermanator wrote:
    I received your email today regarding the government shutdown. You said, "Unfortunately, early this morning, the U.S. federal government shut down because the Republican-led Congress failed to do its job and pass a budget. A government shutdown is reckless and has serious implications for our economy and military:"

    The reason we have this shutdown is because Democrats are looking out for the Democrat agenda and Republicans are looking out for the Republican agenda. By placing the responsibility on, "the Republican-led Congress" you do nothing more than play partisan politics while doing nothing for the American people and our country.

    Another example is your failure to work with Republicans on healthcare reform. On their own, they came up with a disastrous bill that failed. You toed the party line for Obamacare-- which is also a disaster. The American people lost. I am tired of party hubris interfering with your job-- which is supposed to be looking out for the interests of your constituents. While it may make you a wonderful Democrat, it makes for a lousy congressman. I urge you to do better.

    Update: Just got an email back from my congressman.
    Dan Kildee wrote:
    Dear Mr. Jerm:


    Thank you for contacting me regarding the 2018 federal government shutdown. I appreciate hearing from you on this very important issue.
    For months, I worked with my colleagues to pass a responsible budget that would fully fund the government. Hard working families deserve a long-term plan that provides certainty to our military and addresses the priorities of the American people. With so many unresolved and pressing issues, including our crumbling infrastructure, the opioid epidemic and our broken immigration system, Republicans and Democrats must sit down together and reach an agreement.
    Our country cannot keep running on short term patches, weeks at a time. Only with a true bipartisan agreement can we address these important issues. I remain ready to work across the aisle with anyone committed to a long-term budget and good faith negotiations to fund the government.
    In the future, please do not hesitate to contact me about any issue. It’s important for me to hear your views so that I can best represent you and the Fifth Congressional District.

    I hope you stay in contact with me by visiting my congressional website at www.dankildee.house.gov and signing up for my email newsletter.

    Well, I got a reply. It doesn't really say much, but at least I know he heard me.
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,193 Senior Member
    Your reply was truly priceless. I sent a message to my hat wearing representative and just like the other times, received no reply or even an acknowledgement. Mr. Rubio at least sends canned responses, but his office never follows up.
    makes for a lousy congressman, I love it!
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I woke up pissed off that morning. Nothing like getting up on a crisp quiet Saturday morning to learn that our government is so stupid and dysfunctional that they can't even keep the damn lights on.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    A machine or staffer heard you, hit the reply button, then control+V. Or, right click, paste.
    Most likely. Maybe I should show up and piss on his house next time.:tooth:

    Or write it in the snow in his front yard. I will need to drink quite a bit of tea to pull that one off.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,193 Senior Member
    Hearing pelosi and schumer on the news it looks like: HERE WE GO AGAIN
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,045 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Hearing pelosi and schumer on the news it looks like: HERE WE GO AGAIN

    My news-junkie wife told me about Pelosi's on-going drone. I think I detest that woman even more than I do Obama - and almost as much as I detest smartfones and face***k!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Pelosi needs to be talking down a deep well so she can hear her own echo- - - - -nobody else on either side is listening. She's becoming a pathetic, senile old bat (or actually she has been since she lost her oversized nutcracker when the Republicans got the majority).
    Jerry
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Most likely. Maybe I should show up and piss on his house next time.:tooth:

    Or write it in the snow in his front yard. I will need to drink quite a bit of tea to pull that one off.

    Beet juice, Jerm, BEET JUICE. Write that **** a 'scarlet letter' in the snow on his lawn! :rotflmao:
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Here's how I think it will go:

    Schumer, at the moment is pretending to take Trump's word that the Congress will take up immigration and infrastructure immediately after the budget bill, if it is a clean bill that funds the military well enough. Trump will probably even extend the time limit on DACA, if necessary. Then the Democrats in the House can probably get Pelosi off her soapbox long enough to pass the budget bill.

    Then, they will take up DACA and the Democrats can wear their sack cloth and ashes, and accuse Republicans of hating brown children for a while before giving up to a compromise on the 25 billion for the wall, and then take some token replacement for the visa lottery and more stringent legal immigration control. Trump will put various constraints on the DACA parts that will make the pathway to citizenship more palatable to conservatives, like putting it on hold till the wall is built to a certain extent and the numbers are on a downward trend. If the flow of illegals is stopped in any sort of permanent way, conservatives will be easier to deal with on anything relating to amnesty.

    It's all a matter of whether the Dems choose the DACA issue to demagogue, or something better, to help in the mid-terms. They are in a bit of a box with DACA, because Trump has offered a better deal than even Obama tried to get. It's hard to gauge how much their Trump-hate will cloud their judgement. The Freedom Caucus will go for a logical plan that actually solves the illegal immigrant issue.
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Other than claiming to be Republicans, what, exactly is different about the "Freedom Ca-Ca" group than the dummycrap obstructionists?
    :uhm:
    Jerry
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Want a real budget spending bill from Congress? Throw them all in their respective House and Senate chambers and nail the doors shut. No one in or out until they come up with a clean spending bill devoid of pork barrel and other unrelated riders. If nothing is heard from them in 6 months, open the doors, remove decaying carcasses, and hold elections. Works for me!
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    .....and closed again. I get what Rand Paul is doing and I support what he is saying, but he could have backed off earlier. There is a time and place for all this stuff and now is not exactly the time. I am sure they will have it taken care of before I wake up in the morning, but still, I don't wait until the power company is pulling my meter to protest my power rates.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,429 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    What does shutting down the Government really mean? In the past it meant that National Parks and Monuments were closed, Federal Employees stayed home, Military PCS and TDY travel stopped and once the idiots in Washington passed a budget or signed a continuing resolution, everything went back to normal.

    But, what about this time? The parks and monuments are staying open, us Government idiots can not stop business as usual for the American People. The IRS will keep processing tax returns, you can still walk in and get a passport or visa for your vacation. Pretty much business as usual.
    Step into my world and things are different. Our Military is expected to perform as normal, but are unsure if their pay will be deposited at the end of the month. My office was frantically canceling Military and Civilian travel, canceling freight shipments scheduled for pick up and starting Monday, staying home, not knowing when I will be allowed to return to work. In the past it has only been for a few weeks, 17 days in 2013, and everyone received their pay. Many of us are unsure about how long this time or when/if we will be paid. Last time I was considered key and essential and worked while everyone else stayed home and did not worry much about getting paid. This time the powers that be appointed themselves key and essential because they are unsure about pay this time. Good luck getting emergency travel for a Military member or a medivac set up by him. Meanwhile the big shots will thump their chest telling us how its not my fault blame it on the other guy.

    A real Government Shutdown would be more like: When you cant find your passport so need to cancel your cruise or flight, when you pull up to a National Park the gate is closed, when you go to the airport your flight is canceled because their is no TSA, air martials, FAA, or anything Federal working. Better yet the Secret Service and National Police stay home and leave our elected officials unprotected.

    By the way, did you know that Congress and the Senate are exempt and their pay will continue no matter what?
    My wife and I are both Federal workers and will be effected, the wife starting today as work on their LAN room is canceled because she is not allowed to work. We no longer have kids at home and are at a point in life where we dont live paycheck to paycheck, but what about that young GS-4 or GS-5 clerk just getting started and have young ones to support?

    All because a bunch of rich idiots do not care about Americans, only getting their time on TV preaching one thing and doing another. All because non documented people and their children demand more. Because Congress is too chicken shyte to pass a law doing one thing or another, the senate ties up the budget without a boatload of money for illegals? They all blame each other, but this time the bottom line is the senate saying lets shut down the Government for the sake of illegals that have been here for years and never did a thing to become legal.

    Schumer and the Dummycraps want to make it look like it's Trump's fault. It's no more Trump's fault than it is yours or mine. This is affecting me getting my girl immigrated. This sucks big wieners for a lot of people and it's all because of people wanting to hold Trump ransom for a bunch of illegals. But you know what? Trump gave in on some of that and is willing to create a pathway to citizenship for 1.8 Million of the dreamers. But that's not good enough. The dems don't really give a rat's ass about the dreamers or anybody else they claim to try to help. They just want to make the unwashed masses believe Trump is the Boogy man and to hell with us.
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,892 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    .....and closed again. I get what Rand Paul is doing and I support what he is saying, but he could have backed off earlier. There is a time and place for all this stuff and now is not exactly the time. I am sure they will have it taken care of before I wake up in the morning, but still, I don't wait until the power company is pulling my meter to protest my power rates.
    https://www.cnn.com/2018/02/08/politics/rand-paul-analysis/index.html

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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    Yep. But this is what we wanted, I guess.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,045 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Yep. But this is what we wanted, I guess.

    Better than giving in on illegals.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Better than giving in on illegals.
    I wouldn't exactly characterize what is going on with that as not giving in.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    I wouldn't use the phrase "fiscal responsibility" for anything either.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
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