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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    My pet peeve is text messaging. If some self-centered donkeyhole is too impressed with himself to actually have a one-on one conversation over the phone, and expects to just fire off some unreadable gibberish at his/her convenience and expect me to answer it- - - - -he can take his texting and stuff it where the sun don't shine! Alexander Graham Bell improved on the system Samuel F.B. Morse invented, so people could actually have long distance conversations- - - - -isn't texting a giant leap backwards?
    Jerry
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,514 Senior Member
    The advantage of texting is that you can send a message and then just wait for a response. Kind of like email. They also provide written records for future reference.
    If you want an immediate response or don’t want a record, call.

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    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    Still use a flip phone. Does everything I need it to do, like make phone calls and take pictures. Nothing on it that would really be useful to LE or anyone else. And if I want to disable tracking, then I 'have an app for that', too. It's called removing the battery and stuffing the phone in a Faraday Cage leather bag if I'm really paranoid. :tooth:

    I STILL refuse to squint at a tiny screen on a 'smart phone' to do anything internet related. I was forced to do that at the beginning of the computer age, and I'm not regressing, a.k.a. DEVOLVING, back to that ignorance and stupidity, TYVM. If I NEED a computer away from the house, I have a laptop to handle that chore, and with a BIG USABLE screen. A smartphone is too danged big to use as a phone and the screen is too danged small to use as a computer monitor. But if someone is happy with those defects then I'm happy for them! :roll2:

    WORD.

    Although I still do miss my bag fone - never had to worry about batteries! But I've said it 10,000 times: smartfone - too big to be a fone, WAAAAAY too small to be a computer. And we won't discuss the costs!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    As a CIA buddy told me, “There are billions of folks in the world and relatively speaking only a handful are of interest to us for VERY specific reasons. What makes YOU think you are so (redacted) special?”. Quite frankly puts a lot of stuff in perspective...

    As someone who was a subject of a wiretap by a nutso sheriffs office a long time ago, I don’t think I’m special. Just unlucky enough to catch the brown end of the stick an inordinate amount of times.

    Never give away a right without a fight
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Never give away a right without a fight

    Remember, the Telcos only have your best interests at heart... :silly:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    My pet peeve is text messaging. If some self-centered donkeyhole is too impressed with himself to actually have a one-on one conversation over the phone, and expects to just fire off some unreadable gibberish at his/her convenience and expect me to answer it- - - - -he can take his texting and stuff it where the sun don't shine! Alexander Graham Bell improved on the system Samuel F.B. Morse invented, so people could actually have long distance conversations- - - - -isn't texting a giant leap backwards?
    Jerry

    I like texting for simple, mostly one-way messages such as "I got here safely", or "I'm on my way", or "Dinner will be late", etc. I don't like it for extended 2 way conversations, or even 1 way transmissions that are overly long - that's what email is for.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    I completely agree that people have an option whether or not to adopt anything - and I have opted not to do so for much. Not even so much a privacy issue - although there's "that too" - but because of the INSANE cost of this stuff, and its poor return for same.

    BUT

    I completely and vehemently disagree that privacy is not a right: The Telcos (and others) have brainwashed the masses into this thinking - and that we all need "real time access" 100% of the time. The latter is just good marketing, the former is insidious and I reject it for the creeping EVIL that it is.

    The boarding passes on fones accomplish exactly nothing except to slow the line down. It takes 2 to 4 times the time to process the digital pass as opposed to handing the guy a paper one - I don't even have to stop walking. On the other hand, it probably doesn't matter anyway, because the line comes to a creeping halt while the loaders load their overseas bags into the thrice-cursed overhead bins instead of checking the damn things...

    NOW GET OFF MY LAWN!!!!!! :tooth:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    Remember, the Telcos only have your best interests at heart... :silly:

    Who gives a crap about the Telcos. They I understand- they are driven by profit. That is simple, and understandable.

    Govt. is driven by power and the need to control. THEY are the ones you need to worry about- and handing a Govt agent (police officer) an unlocked phone is giving away your expectation of privacy to everything on that phone. Bad idea.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    "They" wouldn't be able to make much from my flip fone in any event! I delete all call records daily - and wish it had an option to just not remember anything. In any event, there's nothing else there...

    Its getting harder and harder and harder to delete stuff on any kind of computer or device. Shoot, eBay won't even let you delete things from their message system.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »

    As to giving a right away, we need to accept that privacy is not a right but a state of being that needs to be personally protected and is almost impossible to legally enforce (out of the mouth of two family membes both of which are brilliant and very accomplished lawyers). Can’t jail someone for being a peeping Tom if you decide to have sex with the wife in front of a glass door facing Main Street.

    Privacy is a right, and is enshrined in our constitution:

    The right of the people to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures, shall not be violated, and no Warrants shall issue, but upon probable cause, supported by Oath or affirmation, and particularly describing the place to be searched, and the persons or things to be seized.

    For companies, if you sign away your privacy to be a user, fine. But for Govt- they should have to WORK for it to get the information. Don't just hand then an unlocked phone.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The old "giving up freedom for "security" argument has been around a lot longer than the latest gee-whiz electronic devices. There will always be a few (or a bunch) of people who just have to have the latest tech fad available, and personal privacy be damned. There will also be people, (and companies) that are glad to exploit them to improve their bottom line. Keep feeding the bear, folks- - - - -he might be kind enough to eat you last!
    Jerry
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Watch any episode of "Cops" or "Live TV"- - - - -the cops "detain" somebody as a matter of routine on some bogus "suspicion" like "I smell pot"- - - - -then the sniffer dog alerts on command, and they proceed to search everywhere- - - - -billfolds, purses, the spare tire well of a car, under the hood, etc. Object to the process, and you risk getting maced, tazed, or shot! If any repercussions for their behavior ever happen, it's months or years later in some courtroom, where all but the most egregious offenses (documented by audio and video recording) are thrown out by that other government employee, the judge. The BS about being "secure" is just that- - - -a huge load of fertilizer.
    Jerry
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    It happens often enough to support a BUNCH of TV shows for years at a time. Not every PD is as responsive to well-heeled citizens' complaints as the one you dealt with. Rural cop shops in a lot of the southeast are corrupt organizations tasked with supporting the local politicians and elites, and generating cash flow for the court system and local government from the citizens least able to protest the treatment they're getting.
    Jerry
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    The big city PD's don't bother with small time crime- - - - -they're more prone to shake the money tree around small businesses. A retired Nashville cop used to run a "private security" business, and offer his services to businesses that had been burglarized recently, and had trouble getting on-duty detectives to investigate the incidents. Dad informed him that his shop had its own security system after a break-in, involving him or his business partner sleeping at the shop on a random schedule with their shotguns handy. Not only their shop, but businesses for a couple of blocks around suddenly experienced a sharp drop in vandalism/burglary! What a coincidence!
    Jerry
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    You can disagree with me but NO ONE has been able to successfully state what a general "right to privacy" is in a legal or even academic definition. There are laws that safeguard certain parts of a persons life/information but as a general principle the "Right to Privacy is neither enumerated in the Bill of Rights or anywhere else in our countries founding documents. It is a debate that is going on today in legal circles even stronger than ever. I believe the supreme court has defined that certain amendments give you a right to privacy from government intrusion but even that is tenuous at best.

    I'll agree that its hard to define - anything that touches on morality/ethics is just that: Hard to define. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist - despite what Telcos et al are trying to get everyone to believe (and have largely succeeded).

    BUT

    I, and everybody else, has a God/Gods/Goddess/Goddesses/whatever the hell - given RIGHT to privacy. I don't give a TINKER'S DAMN what anyone, or anything says about it. PERIOD. THE END. FINIS.

    The sweet seductive whisper, "Oh, give us just a little of you information and/or give up a little bit of your freedom" that government, and big business - especially Telcos - murmur into my ear doesn't play here. Just another claw in the long hand of Mordor. Cablecos and Telcos have managed to brainwash the masses into paying absurd amounts of money for pseudo-services that have little or no tangible benefit - and/or that can be done far cheaper and better in a different way.

    As I've said before, I was once a huge proponent of the miracles of technology. That was centuries before everything was "monetized" and turned into a data mine. I've grown up since then, and "know better" as I've seen it all before.

    So - GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.

    For those still tuned in - my primary concern as far as privacy goes, has to do with the "black hats". Yea, I don't want gov't or big business into my data, but they're the least of it. I owned, used, built, and even designed computers before most people had ever even seen one. I know many, many ways to circumvent security measures - and I'm not even "up on" the latest techniques nor vulnerabilities. They're far worse than even I know. "Code monkeys" that never bothered to take, much less pass, CS-101 at the local JC are a HUGE part of the problem.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    I do some pretty obscure internet searches- - - - -mostly involving looking for repair information and/or parts for engines 50-100 years old. Within minutes of doing a search like that, I'm inundated with pop-up ads for products directly related to the subject I'm researching. Coincidence? I was born at night- - - -but it wasn't last night!
    Jerry
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »

    Advertisement is the only way you can keep the immense amounts of technology it takes to run the worlds most sophisticated (generally available) search engine scanning BILLIONS of sites for relevant content and still give you the service for basically nothing. And if anyone can provide a better alternative to pay for all this info at your fingertips I'm all ears.

    .

    Remember, if the service is free you are NOT THE CUSTOMER. You are what is being sold.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,126 Senior Member
    Going back to the original topic of having your D/L in your phone............

    I wonder how many unjustified shootings will take place when a guy reaches for his pocket to get his cellphone out and 'presents' it to an LEO........??

    ( Surprised it took 3 pages for this scenario to be posted up)
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,126 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    We were waiting for you to get out of bed tomorrow :tooth:

    I did that yesterday..........:roll2:
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Had my conference call... SkyNet guy says on Judgement Day you are first to go...

    skynet_700.jpg

    :rotflmao:

    Its not paranoia if they're REALLY out to get you!!! :tooth:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,227 Senior Member

    ETA: I just tried to turn it off and google said they would still monitor it randomly.

    Me too. You can under activity controls, turn it off or edit and delete your history. It really has to be on if you use it for voice searches when talking to the phone like I do. Something to keep in mind. Thanks.
    Socialism is a philosophy of failure, the creed of ignorance, and the gospel of envy, its inherent virtue is the equal sharing of misery.
    Winston Churchill
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,998 Senior Member
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....

    Yep, pretty much. Sometimes 2 or 3 days go by without me even touching mine.

    When I was a kid, there were still a few folks who didn't have a phone (landline) at all. I'm about as close to that as one can reasonably get these days, no landline anymore, and don't bother with the cell most of the time. When I drove over to St. Pete last weekend for a performance, one of my dance sisters rode along. When we got into the MBZ, I realized I didn't have my fone, and figured I probably should have it in case of trouble on the road (2+ hour drive each way). But - since said dance sister had hers, I didn't bother going back into the house to get mine!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,434 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication) that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....

    :spittingcoffee: Same here. I just got back from going to town to get income taxes done, and get some groceries as I have this powerful need to eat from time to time. My cell phone was left on the computer desk as usual, but my Charter Arms Off Duty .38 was right where it belonged in my right front pocket. I took what I considered important to take with me. I had a couple of spare speed strips in my right hand shirt pocket, just in case I needed them.

    My FLIP CELL PHONE (I gots a flip phone too, Wambli. :tooth:) is a convenience. I carry it when it is convenient for me to carry it when I might have need for it. When it isn't convenient, I leave it on the computer desk. When I'm outside on the farm I'm generally doing something that would totally drown out the sound of a phone ringing, and I wouldn't feel it vibrate in a jacket pocket. In my world it would just be a piece of superfluous bull squeeze in a pocket where it might fall out and be lost, or run over by something that would crush it into oblivion.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Aren't you both retired? Maybe when I don't have work folks depending on me to make critical decisions I'll be able to do that...

    I am, but I was the same way when I was working. When I'm off the clock, I'm off the clock. Email me if you need to contact me, that's usually the fastest way.

    I had some gal at work chewing on me one time because she couldn't get through to me on a SUNDAY! This was LONG before cell fones. I told her "Too bad, so sad!".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    :spittingcoffee: Same here. I just got back from going to town to get income taxes done, and get some groceries as I have this powerful need to eat from time to time. My cell phone was left on the computer desk as usual, but my Charter Arms Off Duty .38 was right where it belonged in my right front pocket. I took what I considered important to take with me. I had a couple of spare speed strips in my right hand shirt pocket, just in case I needed them.

    My FLIP CELL PHONE (I gots a flip phone too, Wambli. :tooth:) is a convenience. I carry it when it is convenient for me to carry it when I might have need for it. When it isn't convenient, I leave it on the computer desk. When I'm outside on the farm I'm generally doing something that would totally drown out the sound of a phone ringing, and I wouldn't feel it vibrate in a jacket pocket. In my world it would just be a piece of superfluous bull squeeze in a pocket where it might fall out and be lost, or run over by something that would crush it into oblivion.

    Pretty much this. If pay fones were still extant, I wouldn't even bother owing a flip - it annoys me that I feel compelled to have it at all. And Goddess help you if you leave me a voice mail longer than about 10 seconds. I absolutely, positively DO NOT want to hear your life's story! Tell me who you are, what your number is (slow enough to understand), and optionally, why you called me in 5 words or less. Otherwise, send me an email.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,998 Senior Member
    We, as a species, survived perfectly well before the arrival of the cell phone......and even when all we had were land lines I have always considered a telephone ringing a request rather than a demand and that was while I was working....

    These devices certainly have there uses, but I refuse to let the little battery powered bastards have any dominion over my life. I do carry one in the boat when I'm fishing, but it's off until I determine it needs to be used.

    I suggest that EVERYONE take a whole day every week or month and venture forth unencumbered......

    Edited to add: My older brother has never used a cellphone....he has a landline at his house and no answering machine...his kids have finally given up buying cellphones for him since they discovered a desk drawer full of all the unused phones they have purchased for him in the past....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,514 Senior Member
    But, but, but I'm important!
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,998 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Aren't you both retired? Maybe when I don't have work folks depending on me to make critical decisions I'll be able to do that...

    Unless you are working 24/7, 365 you can do it brother.....I have faith....welcome to cell phone anonymous.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,825 Senior Member
    But, but, but I'm important!

    I think that's a LOT of it - snob appeal - "I'm so important that I have to be in touch 24/7/365".

    As opposed to "I'm so powerful, that I rule my own life."...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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