Digital driver’s license - your ID in your smartphone

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I'll agree that its hard to define - anything that touches on morality/ethics is just that: Hard to define. That doesn't mean it doesn't exist - despite what Telcos et al are trying to get everyone to believe (and have largely succeeded).

    BUT

    I, and everybody else, has a God/Gods/Goddess/Goddesses/whatever the hell - given RIGHT to privacy. I don't give a TINKER'S DAMN what anyone, or anything says about it. PERIOD. THE END. FINIS.

    The sweet seductive whisper, "Oh, give us just a little of you information and/or give up a little bit of your freedom" that government, and big business - especially Telcos - murmur into my ear doesn't play here. Just another claw in the long hand of Mordor. Cablecos and Telcos have managed to brainwash the masses into paying absurd amounts of money for pseudo-services that have little or no tangible benefit - and/or that can be done far cheaper and better in a different way.

    As I've said before, I was once a huge proponent of the miracles of technology. That was centuries before everything was "monetized" and turned into a data mine. I've grown up since then, and "know better" as I've seen it all before.

    So - GET THEE BEHIND ME SATAN.

    For those still tuned in - my primary concern as far as privacy goes, has to do with the "black hats". Yea, I don't want gov't or big business into my data, but they're the least of it. I owned, used, built, and even designed computers before most people had ever even seen one. I know many, many ways to circumvent security measures - and I'm not even "up on" the latest techniques nor vulnerabilities. They're far worse than even I know. "Code monkeys" that never bothered to take, much less pass, CS-101 at the local JC are a HUGE part of the problem.

    Had my conference call... SkyNet guy says on Judgement Day you are first to go...

    skynet_700.jpg

    :rotflmao:
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,302 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »

    Advertisement is the only way you can keep the immense amounts of technology it takes to run the worlds most sophisticated (generally available) search engine scanning BILLIONS of sites for relevant content and still give you the service for basically nothing. And if anyone can provide a better alternative to pay for all this info at your fingertips I'm all ears.

    .

    Remember, if the service is free you are NOT THE CUSTOMER. You are what is being sold.
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Remember, if the service is free you are NOT THE CUSTOMER. You are what is being sold.

    Actually, you as an individual are not being sold. What is sold is a service that presents advertising only to potential interested buyers based on the information Google keeps on you (and millions like you). My wife specializes in web marketing and I help with her business. Our consulting company has done quite a few online marketing campaigns for books, retail and service providers. I can not buy your personal shopping habits list but I certainly can pay to have an add placed in front of you and others with similar interests.

    And the act of searching is free to me, and I allow Google to learn about me and show me some targeted ads (again, I can turn it off). I'm cool with that...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,470 Senior Member
    Going back to the original topic of having your D/L in your phone............

    I wonder how many unjustified shootings will take place when a guy reaches for his pocket to get his cellphone out and 'presents' it to an LEO........??

    ( Surprised it took 3 pages for this scenario to be posted up)
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    Going back to the original topic of having your D/L in your phone............

    I wonder how many unjustified shootings will take place when a guy reaches for his pocket to get his cellphone out and 'presents' it to an LEO........??

    ( Surprised it took 3 pages for this scenario to be posted up)

    We were waiting for you to get out of bed tomorrow :tooth:
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,470 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    We were waiting for you to get out of bed tomorrow :tooth:

    I did that yesterday..........:roll2:
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Had my conference call... SkyNet guy says on Judgement Day you are first to go...

    skynet_700.jpg

    :rotflmao:

    Its not paranoia if they're REALLY out to get you!!! :tooth:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    orchidman wrote: »
    I did that yesterday..........:roll2:
    Yeah I felt the ripple on The Force :tooth:
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,683 Senior Member

    ETA: I just tried to turn it off and google said they would still monitor it randomly.

    Me too. You can under activity controls, turn it off or edit and delete your history. It really has to be on if you use it for voice searches when talking to the phone like I do. Something to keep in mind. Thanks.
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,966 Senior Member
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....

    Yep, pretty much. Sometimes 2 or 3 days go by without me even touching mine.

    When I was a kid, there were still a few folks who didn't have a phone (landline) at all. I'm about as close to that as one can reasonably get these days, no landline anymore, and don't bother with the cell most of the time. When I drove over to St. Pete last weekend for a performance, one of my dance sisters rode along. When we got into the MBZ, I realized I didn't have my fone, and figured I probably should have it in case of trouble on the road (2+ hour drive each way). But - since said dance sister had hers, I didn't bother going back into the house to get mine!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication , that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....
    zorba wrote: »
    Yep, pretty much. Sometimes 2 or 3 days go by without me even touching mine.

    When I was a kid, there were still a few folks who didn't have a phone (landline) at all. I'm about as close to that as one can reasonably get these days, no landline anymore, and don't bother with the cell most of the time. When I drove over to St. Pete last weekend for a performance, one of my dance sisters rode along. When we got into the MBZ, I realized I didn't have my fone, and figured I probably should have it in case of trouble on the road (2+ hour drive each way). But - since said dance sister had hers, I didn't bother going back into the house to get mine!


    Aren't you both retired? Maybe when I don't have work folks depending on me to make critical decisions I'll be able to do that...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,987 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    All this phone talk makes me grin.....I consider myself fortunate to be one of those few folks so unattached to their phone that I can actually leave the house without it and not give a single, solitary flying fornication) that I am not able to contact or be contacted by anyone..... It's a brave new world....

    :spittingcoffee: Same here. I just got back from going to town to get income taxes done, and get some groceries as I have this powerful need to eat from time to time. My cell phone was left on the computer desk as usual, but my Charter Arms Off Duty .38 was right where it belonged in my right front pocket. I took what I considered important to take with me. I had a couple of spare speed strips in my right hand shirt pocket, just in case I needed them.

    My FLIP CELL PHONE (I gots a flip phone too, Wambli. :tooth:) is a convenience. I carry it when it is convenient for me to carry it when I might have need for it. When it isn't convenient, I leave it on the computer desk. When I'm outside on the farm I'm generally doing something that would totally drown out the sound of a phone ringing, and I wouldn't feel it vibrate in a jacket pocket. In my world it would just be a piece of superfluous bull squeeze in a pocket where it might fall out and be lost, or run over by something that would crush it into oblivion.
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Aren't you both retired? Maybe when I don't have work folks depending on me to make critical decisions I'll be able to do that...

    I am, but I was the same way when I was working. When I'm off the clock, I'm off the clock. Email me if you need to contact me, that's usually the fastest way.

    I had some gal at work chewing on me one time because she couldn't get through to me on a SUNDAY! This was LONG before cell fones. I told her "Too bad, so sad!".
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    tennmike wrote: »
    :spittingcoffee: Same here. I just got back from going to town to get income taxes done, and get some groceries as I have this powerful need to eat from time to time. My cell phone was left on the computer desk as usual, but my Charter Arms Off Duty .38 was right where it belonged in my right front pocket. I took what I considered important to take with me. I had a couple of spare speed strips in my right hand shirt pocket, just in case I needed them.

    My FLIP CELL PHONE (I gots a flip phone too, Wambli. :tooth:) is a convenience. I carry it when it is convenient for me to carry it when I might have need for it. When it isn't convenient, I leave it on the computer desk. When I'm outside on the farm I'm generally doing something that would totally drown out the sound of a phone ringing, and I wouldn't feel it vibrate in a jacket pocket. In my world it would just be a piece of superfluous bull squeeze in a pocket where it might fall out and be lost, or run over by something that would crush it into oblivion.

    Pretty much this. If pay fones were still extant, I wouldn't even bother owing a flip - it annoys me that I feel compelled to have it at all. And Goddess help you if you leave me a voice mail longer than about 10 seconds. I absolutely, positively DO NOT want to hear your life's story! Tell me who you are, what your number is (slow enough to understand), and optionally, why you called me in 5 words or less. Otherwise, send me an email.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,966 Senior Member
    We, as a species, survived perfectly well before the arrival of the cell phone......and even when all we had were land lines I have always considered a telephone ringing a request rather than a demand and that was while I was working....

    These devices certainly have there uses, but I refuse to let the little battery powered bastards have any dominion over my life. I do carry one in the boat when I'm fishing, but it's off until I determine it needs to be used.

    I suggest that EVERYONE take a whole day every week or month and venture forth unencumbered......

    Edited to add: My older brother has never used a cellphone....he has a landline at his house and no answering machine...his kids have finally given up buying cellphones for him since they discovered a desk drawer full of all the unused phones they have purchased for him in the past....
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    But, but, but I'm important!
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,966 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Aren't you both retired? Maybe when I don't have work folks depending on me to make critical decisions I'll be able to do that...

    Unless you are working 24/7, 365 you can do it brother.....I have faith....welcome to cell phone anonymous.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    But, but, but I'm important!

    I think that's a LOT of it - snob appeal - "I'm so important that I have to be in touch 24/7/365".

    As opposed to "I'm so powerful, that I rule my own life."...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Unless you are working 24/7, 365 you can do it brother.....I have faith....welcome to cell phone anonymous.....
    Will anyone die if you don't answer your phone immediately?

    If the answer is "no," you can most likely put the phone away.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,172 Senior Member
    No, but I have missed calls that cost me thousands.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
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    zorba wrote: »
    I am, but I was the same way when I was working. When I'm off the clock, I'm off the clock. Email me if you need to contact me, that's usually the fastest way.

    I had some gal at work chewing on me one time because she couldn't get through to me on a SUNDAY! This was LONG before cell fones. I told her "Too bad, so sad!".
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Unless you are working 24/7, 365 you can do it brother.....I have faith....welcome to cell phone anonymous.....
    I have team members and other folks working on my deals/projects in just about every time zone and at any given time I only work a couple of deals but they are geographically diverse and usually involve multiple regions so it’s not unusual for me to get pinged from folks in the USA, Pacific, Europe or Latin America. So the APAC folks start working on my Sunday night and the guys in EMEA started their days 5-8 hours ahead of the US east coast and the guys in the California offices work 3 hours past my “quiting” time (whatever that is :tooth:). Also all these countries have this nasty habit of taking holidays when the USA is working and working when the USA is off. So my work week is unpredictable at times and does not conform to standards.

    But I love what I do, and while I have an unorthodox and rather busy schedule but I also have the freedom to work from anywhere at times of my choosing and it’s fine for me to knock off in the middle of the day and run off to get a haircut and do errands if I need to. BUT when I’m needed, I’m NEEDED and I’m expected to respond, so not having a phone with me is not an option and it gives me the freedom to be wherever I need to be and not tied to my desk. It’s cool to be able to do a conference call while you walk the dog.

    This does not work for many folks, sometimes I envy my kids ability to leave work at the base when they head home and never bother to check emails on weekends. But that’s not my life and they are happy with their choices and I am happy with mine too, so it’s all good...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    No, but I have missed calls that cost me thousands.
    Would you have lost that money in the pre-cell days? Honest question.
    The issue I have with cell phones is that we've lost our ability to wait for a reply, like civilized humans used to do.

    And the irony of using a cell phone to make this reply is not lost on me.

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I think that's a LOT of it - snob appeal - "I'm so important that I have to be in touch 24/7/365".

    As opposed to "I'm so powerful, that I rule my own life."...
    And you would be thoroughly wrong. There is a third alternative. The work that I do keeps many people gainfully employed so I consider it important enough and I’m very happy with my work and really enjoy what I do. I know that concept is alien to many. Work CAN be fun and fulfilling, specially when no one tells you what to do because you get to develop your own projects from inception to closing and deployment. And yes I do rule my own life...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    I've met your wife.

    You only think you rule your life.

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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    Will anyone die if you don't answer your phone immediately?

    If the answer is "no," you can most likely put the phone away.
    Jermanator wrote: »
    No, but I have missed calls that cost me thousands.
    Would you have lost that money in the pre-cell days? Honest question.
    The issue I have with cell phones is that we've lost our ability to wait for a reply, like civilized humans used to do.

    And the irony of using a cell phone to make this reply is not lost on me.

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    What is the purpose of pondering what would have happened 40 years ago? We HAVE cel phones so people expect swift reactions and you either adapt or become employed in a job that does not require this. And that’s ok too as long as you are happy.

    Jerm gets it. Having his own business requires that he makes some personal time sacrifices so his crews are working full time and his P/L stays positive. He could just be a carpenter and take on jobs whenever he needs to replenish his checking account but he decided to go bigger and in doing so he affects many lives.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,680 Senior Member
    I've met your wife.

    You only think you rule your life.

    Sent from my SM-S907VL using Tapatalk
    Touché mon ami... :rotflmao:
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,566 Senior Member
    I wasn't necessarily talking about you in particular - but it does seem to me that cell fones started out being partially driven by snob appeal - "I'm so important..." when the person really wasn't. Now, everybody's so brain washed that they "need" them 24/7/365 and every bum on the street corner has one, that the snob appeal is largely gone - in fact, kinda the opposite to my way of thinking.

    Kinda like the game of golf - its perceived as a rich man's game, so all the wannabes play it too despite its utter stupidity.

    When I was working, I enjoyed my job too - but I worked to live, not lived to work. I walked off the job at the end of the day, and that was it until 0800 the next morning - and that was a HUGE priority for me. 4:30 rolled around, and it was time to go dance! I told that woman back in the day, that if she wanted me to have "call waiting" on my home fone (because she couldn't get through on a Sunday, and I had a teenage daughter), she could damn well pay for it ('cause I never had it, didn't see the use of it and certainly wasn't going to pay for it) - AND - pay me an overtime salary with a 2 hour minimum every time she called me when I wasn't at work. "B, bu, but EVERYBODY has call waiting!!". "I don't, but you can pay for it if you think its THAT IMPORTANT that I have it. Too bad, so sad.". She wasn't happy - and I didn't care. Then, as now, I value my life far more than work.

    On a tangential note, years back mgmt wanted to introduce a nefarious work schedule called "9/80" - which would have impacted my after hours life in a negative way. Most were for it, several were against it, but I raised so much utter HELL over it, that I was exempted from it. I work to live, not live to work, and I'll be damned if my job is going to impact my life which started at 4:30PM! Then, as now, I value my life far more than work.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    I get that some folks have jobs that require near-immediate access. I'm just saying that the convenience of a cell phone has become an artificial yoke for many, in my opinion.

    If you're a doctor, business owner, counselor, minister a cell phone is a necessity 24/7.
    If you're working at Taco Bell and aren't looking for a new job or are in high school, you can put it away, generally.

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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,965 Senior Member
    Not sure why this is hard.
    You don't like smart phones? Don't ing own one.
    You don't like flip phones? Dont ing own one.
    Don't want a home phone? Don't ing have one.
    Don't like text messages? Don't ing text message people.
    Don't like email? Don't ing send them.
    Or, you can spend your free time bitching like a damn woman about all of the above.
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
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