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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,257 Senior Member
    I'll admit though, I wasn't sure what SOTs were, and from what I found, it appears there are 01, and 07 SOTs
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Perfect reply to calls for gun control seen on a social media post:

    If you don’t know what a 4473, Form 4, or 922(r) is, do not know what the dates 1934, 1968, 1986, 1994 and 2004 mean, cannot explain the difference between shall-issue and may-issue, or a 03 SOT versus an 02 SOT, then you are not prepared to articulate any useful opinion on the state of gun law in this country and you should do your homework before speaking.

    I pretty much am up on that stuff ... and still don’t know what laws can be enacted that could help prevent someone hell bent on getting a gun illegally and using it to commit a crime. Guess I’m just don’t have enough “common sense” to understand gun control like all those intellectual politicians, media geniuses and scholarly Hollywood elite.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Perfect reply to calls for gun control seen on a social media post:

    If you don’t know what a 4473, Form 4, or 922(r) is, do not know what the dates 1934, 1968, 1986, 1994 and 2004 mean, cannot explain the difference between shall-issue and may-issue, or a 03 SOT versus an 02 SOT, then you are not prepared to articulate any useful opinion on the state of gun law in this country and you should do your homework before speaking.

    Stolen.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    I figure after building 80% receivers, filing both form 1 and form 4 tax stamps, applying for and keeping a CHL over 20 years, knowing the ins and outs of pistol vs SBR, living through the AWB and buying a CETME the DAY it sunsetted... I am a n expert on gun control.

    As opposed to someone who has never touched a gun and just “feels something should be done”

    After holding an FFL (in California of all places), I feel the same way.
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    They get their guns the same place they get their drugs.
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    Why are the antis not protesting the FBI? Or the AF or the background check people? Seems the FL, TX and NC shootings are their fault, not the NRAs.. Who in those organizations has been held accountable?
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,050 Senior Member
    They are backed by the gun grabbers with deep pockets. Holding them accountable will not ban guns
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    I just cannot believe the attitude that some guys have on the hunting blogs I'm a member of. Many are OK with gun control. A few even want AR's and AK's to be classified Type III weapons, and have required training and insanely high fees for permits to own them.
    Some of them want a total ban on "Assault" (I hate that term) rifles...and a total ban on magazines that hold more than 5 rounds. They actually think this will end the mass shootings. I think that they mistakenly believe that THEIR hunting rifles are safe. They're willing to give in to the likes of FeinSwine, Schumer and Pelosi and relinquish their second amendment rights. Crazy!
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,257 Senior Member
    SBE, I've always heard those types referred to as "Fudds" or "Fuddites". They're okay with any and all types of gun control, as long as it doesn't affect their hunting arms

    edited to add this definition I found online
    Found in the gunshows all across America, the Fuddite pursues his bolt-action, wood-stocked 40-year-old Remington with a zeal known only to a few gun owners. He can be seen on the range in October, often firing 3 -5 rounds, then packing up and heading for home, confident "his rig" will bag him a deer or an elk, and that nothing will go wrong with the rifle on the shoot. Often, the Fuddite can be found staring diconsolately at other gun owners who have weapons he disapproves of, like self-loading arms. "Whatcher need all dem bullits fer, son? Cain't you gits him on da firs' shot?" he'll ask, a barely contained sneer apparent to all on his face.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,050 Senior Member
    Watching the local news the last few days, they keep showing several young kids with a few adults screaming for gun control and assault weapon bans.
    They picked up all the signs for a new gun show location and changed them to anti slogans. It is a very small venue and the wife was worried about protesters, but I saw none. One of the vendors said a few were outside his shop that morning but again it was one lady and a soccer moms van full of kids.

    But they are getting the airtime on TV and the antis are using lies and misinformation like never before
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Support your local Scouts!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,735 Senior Member
    I just cannot believe the attitude that some guys have on the hunting blogs I'm a member of. Many are OK with gun control. A few even want AR's and AK's to be classified Type III weapons, and have required training and insanely high fees for permits to own them.
    Some of them want a total ban on "Assault" (I hate that term) rifles...and a total ban on magazines that hold more than 5 rounds. They actually think this will end the mass shootings. I think that they mistakenly believe that THEIR hunting rifles are safe. They're willing to give in to the likes of FeinSwine, Schumer and Pelosi and relinquish their second amendment rights. Crazy!

    I think many of these types are either democrats or squishy republican hunters that don't care about others rights as gun owners. It might be wise for us gun owners to start writing or emailing our congresscritters, president and state govt. reps and try to discourage them from enacting anything harmful to our rights.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    I think many of these types are either democrats or squishy republican hunters that don't care about others rights as gun owners. It might be wise for us gun owners to start writing or emailing our congresscritters, president and state govt. reps and try to discourage them from enacting anything harmful to our rights.

    They are quislings willing to sell out one segment of their society in the hope that they will be spared. They think that the Anti's will be happy and leave the 'walnut and blue steel' alone if they sacrifice the aluminum, black plastic and 'shoulder things that go up.'

    They are wrong. If we do not stand united, soon they will see their 'high powered sniper rifles' targeted.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Honestly, to me an AR, AK or such is meh but I do own several because I want to and do stage a couple just in case. Do I truly need them? Nope, BUT I do need to have my rights stepped all on. I do need a .458Lott ... there aren’t dangerous game within a 1000 miles of me but I don’t want my right as a law abiding citizen to have the right stripped. I don’t need a vehicle that goes over say 85mph but I think most all driver do ... but I’m pretty sure every new vehicle out there can. To me it’s not about the specific item it’s about the principal and the precedent it is setting. I would not miss my ARs that much but three steps down the line when they come for the next step in “common sense” gun control the slope is so steep we won’t be able to stand up for our rights.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,275 Senior Member
    I no longer have any guns.......just ask me.
  • shootbrownelkshootbrownelk Senior Member Posts: 2,035 Senior Member
    Old Ron wrote: »
    I no longer have any guns.......just ask me.

    Do you have any guns Ron?
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    john9001 wrote: »
    They get their guns the same place they get their drugs.
    If they purchase a sufficiently large amount of drugs do they get a free gun?
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    Honestly, to me an AR, AK or such is meh but I do own several because I want to and do stage a couple just in case. Do I truly need them? Nope, BUT I do need to have my rights stepped all on. I do need a .458Lott ... there aren’t dangerous game within a 1000 miles of me but I don’t want my right as a law abiding citizen to have the right stripped. I don’t need a vehicle that goes over say 85mph but I think most all driver do ... but I’m pretty sure every new vehicle out there can. To me it’s not about the specific item it’s about the principal and the precedent it is setting. I would not miss my ARs that much but three steps down the line when they come for the next step in “common sense” gun control the slope is so steep we won’t be able to stand up for our rights.
    After firing an extensive variety of military weapons during nearly 30 years in Army Aviation I'm guessing I got my fill. The closest I have to an AR is this: ARMI JAGER LOANO ITALY MOD AP 74-CAL .22 LR. That is stamped on the upper receiver of my incredibly realistic copy of the military issue selective fire Colt AR-15 I was issued in Army Basic Combat Training including the 3 prong flash suppressor! The only significant difference is the semi automatic .22LR will put all 15 rounds on target. The AR-15 had the 1 in 14 twist "bullet tumbling" barrel which made weapons qualification problematic. I managed to qualify Marksman by following the instructor's advice. "Aim low and knock the silhouettes down by spraying them with gravel"! Other weapons fired in Basic were standard M60 machine gun, M72 LAW (2 37mm practice rockets), and M203 grenade launcher (2 practice grenades). The closest thing I have to an AK-47 is an early 1980s Chinese SKS. After returning to my National Guard unit as an Aircrew Member I was issued a Smith and Wesson Model 10 .38 Special revolver replaced a couple years later with a Colt Police Positive. No problems qualifying expert. The Air National Guard unloaded a bunch of Smith and Wesson light weight Aircrew revolvers. What a . The first time I fired mine point of impact was about 2 feet low and 4 feet left! I barely qualified using Kentucky Windage! I'm out of time so will have to finish this saga when I return this evening. I'm back. My last pistol qualification with the 1042nd Military Intelligence Company Aerial Surveillance (MICAS) was on our indoor range due to very bad weather. We used High Standard .22LR target pistols. Piece of cake! I took a 2 year break in service at the request of my wife of one year who thought I was spending to much time with the military. While on my break I attended a full auto shoot sponsored by local Class 3 dealers. You only had to pay for ammo! I put 30 rounds through an AK-47 for $20! After 2 years she thought I was spending to much time at home and suggested I re-enlist. I ended up as Unit Armorer for Detachment 1 41st Infantry Brigade. We had 55 personnel, 3 UH-1H Iroquois (Hueys) plus 10 OH-58A Kiowa scout helicopters. 39 Colt Police Positive .38 Special revolvers, 25 M-16A1 rifles, 1 M-203, and 6 M60D machine guns. More than enough to keep me busy! My M-16A1 was a tack driver. I did aerial gunnery twice with M60Ds. I also got to fire a M2 .50 Caliber when we were training with the Infantry Brigade. After 3 years I was hired as a DoD civilian Flight Operations Specialist at our Army Aviation Support Facility (AASF). I had to transfer to an MOS compatible slot and ended up in B Company 1/108th Battalion (Air Assault). While training at Fort Lewis Washington an Armored Cavalry unit using the range next to ours let me fire a M-3 Sub Machine Gun. I fired blanks in an M-14 at a fellow soldiers funeral which was the only time shooting guns in the military was not fun. In 1994 the Air Assault Company became the 1042nd Medical Company Air Ambulance. We deployed to the former Yugoslavia in 2000 and trained on the M-249 SAW machine gun. I was issued an M-16A2 rifle and M9 pistol. When I returned I transferred to Detachment 47 Operational Support Airlift (OSA) 1 C-12 (Beech Craft Super King Air) Airplane, 5 Warrant Officer pilots and 2 NCOs. Our weapons were 7 M-4 carbines and 7 M9 pistols. It was a great gig for my final 8 years.
  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 902 Senior Member
    I just watched the news coverage on FOX with all of the students protesting in Tallahassee, FL, overwhelming State Legislators demanding Gun Control to prevent future School Shootings. It appears that the Democrats and the Gun Control Crowd are using the uniformed young emotional students to promote gun control. Then have another major protest planned for March in Washington DC, which will garner major News Coverage.
    All of the young speakers demonized the NRA and the politicians that take political donations from the NRA.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg offers to donate money to these groups to carry his message forward.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Did you see those nice shiny buses they came in on? I think Greyhound??? not the big yellow buses. Who paid for them? Seems kinda like the BLM protest conveys ... just my observation though.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 11,050 Senior Member
    Nomadac wrote: »
    I just watched the news coverage on FOX with all of the students protesting in Tallahassee, FL, overwhelming State Legislators demanding Gun Control to prevent future School Shootings. It appears that the Democrats and the Gun Control Crowd are using the uniformed young emotional students to promote gun control. Then have another major protest planned for March in Washington DC, which will garner major News Coverage.
    All of the young speakers demonized the NRA and the politicians that take political donations from the NRA.
    I wouldn't be surprised if Bloomberg offers to donate money to these groups to carry his message forward.

    Who would you suspect of paying for all this?

    Don't forget to add hotel and food to the price of the buses. Heard the figure 280K so far for the local kids

    They are being used so badly and think they are being all grown up.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    Hollywood is throwing cash at them left and right. Both clooney and oprah gave 500k each. Gonna be a tough fight.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    I'm watching the listening session on Fox with the survivors, no doubt put together by the antis. This is the biggest kangaroo court the second amendment has ever faced. And it all happened because somebody within the FBI didn't pursue a known nut case that wanted to kill people. They had the information and didn't act on it. With all the shootings that have happened, with all the talk of mental health, with all the talk about if you see something act on it, the premier law enforcement organization in America so they say, dropped the ball. I don't believe that was an accident. No way Jose! I don't buy it. I really believe it was by design. During the Obama years in the White House the FBI was infiltrated by liberal types that have been shown to try to alter the outcome of the election. They failed. Now I really believe some in the Bureau are still active against Trump and all things conservative. Some may call me a nut case, but I've been watching these shootings for a long time and it just doesn't seem possible to happen without a little help from within. Not this many times.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Some of these idiots are clearly Antis in disguise.


    However, there are some cool heads there. One guy is making a lot of sense talking about armed guards on campus.

    Some are actually Pro Second Amendment. But there's a bunch there that would love to do away with it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
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