Maybe part, just part of the problem...

breamfisherbreamfisher Senior MemberPosts: 13,051 Senior Member
...is that we, as a society, have stopped raising adults and have decided to raise children...
Overkill is underrated.

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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,544 Senior Member
    ...is that we, as a society, have stopped raising adults and have decided to raise children...

    Deb and I talk about this a lot as in her 37 year teaching career she has witnessed the evolution. It seems that many parents nowadays think that giving their kids whatever they want and never making them accountable for anything is modern parenting. My SIL thinks she's "hip" because she goes out drinking with her kids and when they were young, all their friends always wanted to hang out at their house. It never dawned on her that having a well stocked bar downstairs that they could sneak drinks from along with an indoor heated pool (in Wisconsin) may have been the reason rather than her being a "cool" mom. My brother and his wife being the "cool" parents just might be the reason they now have a 32yo son with his wife and three kids living in their basement.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    ...is that we, as a society, have stopped raising adults and have decided to raise children...
    Even more disturbing is seeing children's desire to become adults being prevented by parents, society, and government paranoia/meddling. An excellent source for information regarding this insanity is the "Free Range Kids" movement.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,544 Senior Member
    Sgt, I see it going in conflicting directions as the parents want the kids to be "their baby" forever and the kids want to be treated like adults at an early age. When we have friends over for dinner and they bring their kids, I would think that they would have fun running around outside like we did but they prefer to either sit and text all evening, or involve themselves in the adults conversation. I'm talking about 10 to 12 year olds. Kids need to be kids and understand that they are still kids. They'll have to become responsible adults soon enough and there's no reason to rush it but when it's time, it's time.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    My brother and his wife being the "cool" parents just might be the reason they now have a 32yo son with his wife and three kids living in their basement.
    Dude! They got a stocked bar and an indoor pool. Do you blame them?
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,666 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Dude! They got a stocked bar and an indoor pool. Do you blame them?

    hell, can I come over?
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,263 Senior Member
    I'm seeing a whole generation of young "adults" that have been indoctrinated with the idea "If at first you don't succeed- - - -give up and whine about it!"
    Jerry
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  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,666 Senior Member
    ...is that we, as a society, have stopped raising adults and have decided to raise children...

    Yep. Another part is that the kids are taught that they are the most important person in the world. No empathy for others, everything is about what they want... so, when things get tough, they lash out at everyone around them that aren't fulfilling the role they are supposed to play (in their deranged little minds).
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Yep. Another part is that the kids are taught that they are the most important person in the world. No empathy for others, everything is about what they want... so, when things get tough, they lash out at everyone around them that aren't fulfilling the role they are supposed to play (in their deranged little minds).
    ... which is a pretty childish attitude. We don't allow it from our 5 year old. Why should parents allow that from an older child?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,544 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Yep. Another part is that the kids are taught that they are the most important person in the world. No empathy for others, everything is about what they want... so, when things get tough, they lash out at everyone around them that aren't fulfilling the role they are supposed to play (in their deranged little minds).

    The tragic school shooting here in Florida brought out numerous examples of this. Several of the kids that were interviewed were demanding an audience with the President so that he could explain personally what he's doing to protect children and so that they could tell him what he needs to do. What on earth made them think that they were entitled to a meeting with the leader of the most powerful country in the world just by demanding it?
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,058 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib wrote: »
    The tragic school shooting here in Florida brought out numerous examples of this. Several of the kids that were interviewed were demanding an audience with the President so that he could explain personally what he's doing to protect children and so that they could tell him what he needs to do. What on earth made them think that they were entitled to a meeting with the leader of the most powerful country in the world just by demanding it?

    This stuff comes from anti-gun activists like Soros and Bloomberg. All they need is a gutsy teenager(s) willing to challenge authority. Seems like what they breed in public schools, especially in liberal south Florida.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,051 Senior Member
    cpj wrote: »
    Which, is why things will continue to get worse. Soon the children that are being raised will be adult children. Who will then breed more children. So on and so forth.
    I remember years ago reading articles about teen pregnancies leading to "children raising children."

    Turns out the child doesn't need to be a teenager....

    Old article on kids raising kids...
    http://www.nytimes.com/1991/08/11/nyregion/l-children-raising-children-735291.html

    as children raising children will lead to serious problems of addiction, delinquency, learning difficulties as well as a general inability to contribute to the common good of families, neighborhoods and communities.

    Looks like the worries were correct, the method was what was wrong.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    I think the kids on the news have every right to demand an audience with the POTUS. Just not a right to expect that demand be fulfilled. Once they unwittingly step into the roll of partisan pawn with the our solution is best stance, their voice is destined for the sweeping wind of division at the core of the entire country.

    As far as parental failings go, I think these are at fault for many societal and community ills, but not likely a common characteristic of mass shootings or mass school shootings. It, like the so called evil black rifle is low hanging fruit.

    Edit
    Here's another thought.
    The left is collecting and reporting data on the commonality of the evil black rifle.
    Who's collecting and reporting data on the commonality of the evil black souls committing mass murder?
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    black rifles are evil, they should outlaw black guns cuz they be racist, guns should be in nice colors or cool camo, yo.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,528 Senior Member
    Not sure about elsewhere, but the kids have been all over the news screeching how Trump cares more for the NRA than them. How it is their right to demand to be protected and making all guns illegal will solve the problem.

    One man calmly attempted to explain that laws are not changed overnight. That there is process and that by the time you are a junior in high school you should have been taught this. If not the school failed you. The kids reply was to flip the guy off and start screaming no more guns.

    I get the kids are upset, but I see nothing but a spoiled kid crying for something he was about and not getting it. The way the liberal gun grabbers are using them is disgusting
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,528 Senior Member
    Bus loads of kids went to Tallahassee to demand banning AR 15s
    Funny thing i keep seeing the same kids yelling and crying over and over. I am very curious, who is paying for all the busses, hotel rooms and food. The liberal s usings these kids hopefully have a reservation in hell for using something so horrible for a political agenda.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Bus loads of kids went to Tallahassee to demand banning AR 15s
    Funny thing i keep seeing the same kids yelling and crying over and over. I am very curious, who is paying for all the busses, hotel rooms and food. The liberal s usings these kids hopefully have a reservation in hell for using something so horrible for a political agenda.
    Bloomberg's Everytown sprung the $230k for the NY Times ad getting published tomorrow, showing everyone the NRA contributed to. I am sure the usual suspects are behind the money.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,727 Senior Member
    What is the bait and switch? What are we supposed to not pay attention to? Uranium deals? Russian meddling? Money laundering? Just asking, because.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,868 Senior Member
    FFLshooter wrote: »

    I was going to post that. I saw the two on the bottom last night on the news. They sure got a lot of air time.
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 932 Senior Member
    I’m not a tinfoil wearer, but something is fishy here. I say it with more satire than anything but it wouldn’t surprise me if the CIA or some alphabet agency were able to manipulate people to doing crazy things.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,836 Senior Member
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  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 932 Senior Member
    That’s more of a rebuttal than it is proof of anything from what seems to be a bias news source.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Not sure about elsewhere, but the kids have been all over the news screeching how Trump cares more for the NRA than them. How it is their right to demand to be protected and making all guns illegal will solve the problem.

    One man calmly attempted to explain that laws are not changed overnight. That there is process and that by the time you are a junior in high school you should have been taught this. If not the school failed you. The kids reply was to flip the guy off and start screaming no more guns.

    I get the kids are upset, but I see nothing but a spoiled kid crying for something he was about and not getting it. The way the liberal gun grabbers are using them is disgusting
    I am reminded of the 1960s. Equal distribution of wealth. Communism disguised as Socialism becoming popular at universities and trickling down to high schools. Anti establishment/government movements. The only mass murder shooting I recall then was Charles Whitman from the University of Texas tower. Gun control was being fueled by the JFK, MLK, and RFK political assassinations resulting in GCA 1968. Two articles I read this morning presented a point/counterpoint concerning student survivors of the Florida shooting'

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/right-wing-media-uses-parkland-shooting-as-conspiracy-fodder/ar-BBJo3TH?li=BBnb7Kz

    http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/florida-school-shooting-survivor-media-using-tragedy-to-push-gun-control/ar-BBJnJHE?li=BBnb7Kz
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,058 Senior Member
    FFLshooter wrote: »
    I’m not a tinfoil wearer, but something is fishy here. I say it with more satire than anything but it wouldn’t surprise me if the CIA or some alphabet agency were able to manipulate people to doing crazy things.

    Yeah, funny how the FBI sometimes gets tips on a future shooter, and they just happen to "fail" to do anything about it. These school shootings seem to be part of a pattern. Remember that these government agencies are headed by democrud hacks that implement policy their way, regardless of who's president.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    These kids are quite obviously very skilled at the victim game. They have likely manipulated their parents with it all their lives and now they are ready to go out into the world with it.

    What have they done to earn an audience with any important person? Grief and anguish earns some sympathy, but does not qualify one to have an adult conversation on any subject that I know of. Trump should tell these kids to stay home and comfort the families of these poor, dead kids, and come back to him when they have done some work aimed at actually providing a real solution. He won't, of course, because his huge ego tells him that he can flip their attacks on him into something beneficial to him.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,058 Senior Member
    Diver43 wrote: »
    Bus loads of kids went to Tallahassee to demand banning AR 15s
    Funny thing i keep seeing the same kids yelling and crying over and over. I am very curious, who is paying for all the busses, hotel rooms and food. The liberal s usings these kids hopefully have a reservation in hell for using something so horrible for a political agenda.

    Masterminds like Soros and Bloomberg are active in this kind of BS, and they have money, buses and advisors at the ready for action at any time they're needed.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,461 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    Yep. Another part is that the kids are taught that they are the most important person in the world. No empathy for others, everything is about what they want... so, when things get tough, they lash out at everyone around them that aren't fulfilling the role they are supposed to play (in their deranged little minds).

    :agree:

    Kids used to be junior members of the family. Now they are the "most important" members of the family. They are just playing by the rules they have been taught.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
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