Survivors!

DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior MemberPosts: 3,353 Senior Member
We make a great mistake allowing the survivors to speak for the dead. How can we know if the dead wouldn't have preferred having a school staff prepared and willing to fight back? I don't believe a greater emphasis should be placed on the feelings of the survivors. Of course, had there been a staff prepared and willing to fight back, there would have been survivors in greater numbers.
It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain

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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Yep, I’ll bet the Asst Football Coach would have had a little different take on how he would liked to have been prepared. The man was not running and hiding ... he fought like a true hero but bare hands against bullets was just to stacked against him but he did save several student’s lives. :angel2:
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Maybe coerced and exploited are more appropriate words than allowed. Had me about duped at first, till they finished unfolding.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,429 Senior Member
    We make a great mistake allowing the survivors to speak for the dead. How can we know if the dead wouldn't have preferred having a school staff prepared and willing to fight back? I don't believe a greater emphasis should be placed on the feelings of the survivors. Of course, had there been a staff prepared and willing to fight back, there would have been survivors in greater numbers.

    Other than here, I'm not on social media. But my wife is, and a teacher at an elementary school.

    With your permission, she'd be happy to spread your post around.

    Mike
    Decisions have consequences, not everything in life gets an automatic mulligan.
    KSU Firefighter
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    It is strange that last week we were trying to come up with ways to keep teens from eating laundry detergent, and this week we want teens to dictate gun control policy to the nation
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,834 Senior Member
    Most all kids are idealists...... hopefully some of the will get a dose of realism as they grow up.....

    There is a huge difference between listening to them and validating their thoughts however emotionally-charged the topic is....

    Sadly most of them are not prepared to understand that no matter how badly we want something to happen, no matter what steps are taken, bad stuff is still going to happen.
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    Most of these survivors are living in a Liberal Induced Utopian Fog. I think Trump might have made a mistake allowing this kind of town hall at this time.

    There were a couple of people in the meeting that had seemingly sensible ideas without mentioning confiscation or firearms at all. One guy, a black guy from a DC school district said his school had Limited access and at the door it had airport style metal detectors or ex ray machines to scan bags and such, maybe people too. And there were armed guards at the door.

    There were a few people that were all anal over the idea of arming teachers for no real reason, I mean they were against it which didn't make sense to me. But there was one or two there that recommended that either they have Armed Teachers or armed guards in every school.

    Some of the kids speaking at the rally looked to be openly coached by some leftist looking people. Don't ask me how I know they were leftist, it's my own hunch. They just look typical. Overall though I feel Trump handled things very well or as well as could be expected.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,551 Senior Member
    Did any of these kids get asked what might have been different if any of the adults had been armed?
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    The media is spinning this hard this morning.
    This small group now speaks for everyone. Apparently everyone except the murderers are at fault. Their solutions are the only ones that will work.
    Anyone of a differing opinion should be ashamed.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • john9001john9001 Senior Member Posts: 668 Senior Member
    It is difficult to turn a country into a Marxist utopia when the citizens are armed. The comrades don't want to protect the schools, they need the shootings to push for "common sense" gun bans.
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    The opinion of folks who can't figure out which bathroom to use and eat soap doesn't matter to me.
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,258 Senior Member
    Why do hawks dive bomb rabbits instead of porcupines? Why don't we hear about mass-casualty shootings at police stations or target ranges? Defenseless victims are easy prey!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,834 Senior Member
    Yeah....letting a bunch of emotionally-charged adolescents set policy for the country is a good idea...said no one ever

    Watching the news last night I saw all these kids leaving school to protest....lots of grinning and smiles and laughing.....for a huge number of these kids, the majority, I daresay....it's just an unexpected day off school...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,353 Senior Member
    Absolutely.
    It's a source of great pride for me, that when my name is googled, one finds book titles and not mug shots. Daniel C. Chamberlain
  • Fat BillyFat Billy Senior Member Posts: 1,813 Senior Member
    Very tired of actors showing up and making statements as students to boost the left. :angry: Later,
    Fat Billy

    Recoil is how you know primer ignition is complete.
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,368 Senior Member
    I don't understand how all these kids that just went through this shooting can be all smiles and seem to revel in talking to the media about it. So far what I have seen just doesn't make sense.
    Anybody else see the wright up on the girl that walked out of the school with the shooter, she said that there was shots fired while she was talking to him.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,089 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    :win:

    Besides as has been said: "If you are not a Socialist at 18 you have no heart, If you are still a Socialist at 30, you have no brain." I'm not about to let some idealistic Socialists dictate policy for the rest of us that have learned the truth by age and experience...

    I guess I had no heart at 18...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,663 Senior Member
    zorba wrote: »
    I guess I had no heart at 18...

    me either. Meh. no big loss.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,089 Senior Member
    bullsi1911 wrote: »
    me either. Meh. no big loss.

    Probably had something to do with the cold war with Russia and Red China!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    The media and many liberals want the under 21’s to be heard have input on the Parkland tragedy as well as be able to rally them on voting for the progressive candidates BUT they supposedly don’t trust them to own a gun? When will the various “groups” that the liberals take advantage of open their eyes and see how they are used to further their agenda and they are not truly a concern.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 8,528 Senior Member
    There are a bunch of teens that have been saving for their first rifle.
    Now they have to wait another 3 years in which they will most likely not be voting for a liberal
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
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