Enhanced background checks?

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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,560 Senior Member

    The responses I've seen so far pretty much are what I thought they would be.  And, in a way, mimic what I expect from those on the left.

    No one has provided a single, concrete idea as to how to improve background checks to prevent mentally ill people from legally purchasing guns.  I saw an interview last night  that demonstrates this.  Tucker Carlson was asking some lefty to provide just one specific idea that would make it harder for mentally ill people to get guns.  All he got was high level, big picture non-sense.

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    I'm guilty of using that 'mentally ill' tag on these shooters, AND I SHOULD AND DO KNOW BETTER! The recent shooter isn't mentally ill from what I've read; he's nothing more than an evil little piece of excrement that wasn't raised properly, was allowed to be violent, and just got more evil with time. The LE AND FBI had plenty of reason to get him in the criminal system, but didn't for reasons yet to be announced. Evil intent is not a mental disorder; it is a lack of empathy and upbringing that allows one to do bad things to others because one can, and has the means and strength or weapons to do it, and all systems in place like LE and the criminal justice system just let them slide by without any consequences.

    Look at the things going on worldwide now. The sandbox is as good an example as any. The Taliban/ISIS/et al do terrible violence and torture on their OWN PEOPLE and people of different religions. THAT is a learned behavior that is deemed acceptable and taught in their schools and madrassas. They aren't insane; they're taught to do evil by their teachers. When you are taught from early childhood that it's O.K. to kill, mutilate, rape, and to take women as hostages and sell them in the sex slave market, then you do it because someone taught you that this is acceptable and right behavior.

    American school system is another. Many teachers and professors teach their students to embrace the Left/Socialist path and to HATE the ones that believe in Conservative ideas. ANTIFA is one of many groups that have arisen from this warped teaching method. They are violent, and their parent(s) don't call them out and discipline them for that behavior, so they go out and protest, and use bike chain and cable locks, and other improvised weapons to beat people that don't think like them. They have been taught/indoctrinated to believe that this is acceptable behavior by those that teach them.

    Evil CAN be taught. And when evil behavior is not caught and addressed at an early age it grows/metastasizes until it does the unthinkable. This is because society no longer seems to care and lets it grow.

    And the drugging of ADD and ADHD boys and girls from an early age with strong mind altering pharmaceuticals because schools cannot properly discipline active young people is an entirely separate matter. Look how many of the shooters in the past that were on these drugs. Read the side effects of these drugs shoved down the throats of these children. WE have created these people, and by several means, and refuse to accept that fact.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,386 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    the drugging of ADD and ADHD boys and girls from an early age with strong mind altering pharmaceuticals because schools cannot properly discipline active young people is an entirely separate matter. Look how many of the shooters in the past that were on these drugs. Read the side effects of these drugs shoved down the throats of these children. WE have created these people, and by several means, and refuse to accept that fact.
    This is one point I believe has been out of hand for way too long. Parents seem to think because the school says the drugs are necessary that they are.
    My grandson was told by the school that he needed them to calm him down, his mother called us and asked what we thought she should do. We told her under no circumstance to let the school dictate to her what she should do and to tell them no.
    Strange that he has done just fine and the teachers were able to control his propensity to talk too much.with just a little more effort.
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,610 Senior Member
    The recent school shooting has brought this into the spotlight again. I keep hearing about improving background checks, but have yet to hear anyone put forth any details. I know there's talk of universal background checks, which, I guess, would mandate that ANY transfer of ANY firearm between two parties must include a check. This means, I guess, that if two individuals, neither of which hold an FFL, want to buy/sell a firearm from/to the other, they have to find an FFL holder and pay that person to run the check. That results in additional cost as well as a hassle. OTOH, there's no real way to enforce it short of some sort of undercover operation.

    That law was passed in Colorado several years ago, but I don't know what impact it has had. Colorado also closed the so called gun show loophole years ago, and I don't think it has caused a problem with buying guns. I bought a few while I lived there, and didn't see it as an excessive burden. I had to pay a bit more, but the wait time was just a few minutes, and the Colorado Bureau of Investigations ran the check rather than the FBI, and the checks went smoothly and quickly.

    But, to my point, what additional information could the government collect that would improve background checks? Some of what is asked, such as mental illness questions, is not verifiable due to that pesky doctor patient confidentiality thing. If the answer to one of the questions is not a matter of public record, I don't see how one could not get away with lying. And, I don't see how it would prevent the straw-man purchases (same for universal background checks). If one is so inclined to break the law, how does a background check stop that?

    So would someone please tell me what changes should be made to background checks to make our country safer from liars, thieves, criminals and nut cases, none of which respect or obey the law?

    The recent school shooting has brought this into the spotlight again. I keep hearing about improving background checks, but have yet to hear anyone put forth any details. I know there's talk of universal background checks, which, I guess, would mandate that ANY transfer of ANY firearm between two parties must include a check. This means, I guess, that if two individuals, neither of which hold an FFL, want to buy/sell a firearm from/to the other, they have to find an FFL holder and pay that person to run the check. That results in additional cost as well as a hassle. OTOH, there's no real way to enforce it short of some sort of undercover operation.

    That law was passed in Colorado several years ago, but I don't know what impact it has had. Colorado also closed the so called gun show loophole years ago, and I don't think it has caused a problem with buying guns. I bought a few while I lived there, and didn't see it as an excessive burden. I had to pay a bit more, but the wait time was just a few minutes, and the Colorado Bureau of Investigations ran the check rather than the FBI, and the checks went smoothly and quickly.

    But, to my point, what additional information could the government collect that would improve background checks? Some of what is asked, such as mental illness questions, is not verifiable due to that pesky doctor patient confidentiality thing. If the answer to one of the questions is not a matter of public record, I don't see how one could not get away with lying. And, I don't see how it would prevent the straw-man purchases (same for universal background checks). If one is so inclined to break the law, how does a background check stop that?

    So would someone please tell me what changes should be made to background checks to make our country safer from liars, thieves, criminals and nut cases, none of which respect or obey the law?


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