Parkland high school resource officer

breamfisherbreamfisher Senior MemberPosts: 13,052 Senior Member
Lately the local sheriffs are crowing that they don't need armed teachers because they have school resource officers. That only works if the officers engage the shooter.

http://www.sun-sentinel.com/local/broward/parkland/florida-school-shooting/fl-florida-school-shooting-latest-updates-thursday-20180222-story.html
Overkill is underrated.
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,669 Senior Member
    Local news just reported that he's resigned

    He figured he had a "cush" job, just dealing with kids. That's MY thinking on it.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Maybe. I know a few resource officers who like the duty: few nights and weekends (only when something's at the school), dealing with fewer felons and drunks, less time sitting in a car and more walking around.

    I don't think all LEOs are like the Parkland officer. I don't think all resource officers are like this guy. But I don't think he's going to be an LEO anymore.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,836 Senior Member
    Just saw this on the news....holy crap..this incident was a law enforcement failure from start to finish from the Feds to local LEs...
    Can anyone say cowardice?
    Letting this guy retire is a travesty...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    NPR just aird a spokes woman for the national teachers union crowing against armed teachers and for gun control.

    Why not an NRA sponsored good guy with a gun school security camapaign using local PD's and NRA monetary donations equal to half their 2017 political campaign contributions?
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Just saw this on the news....holy crap..this incident was a law enforcement failure from start to finish from the Feds to local LEs...
    Can anyone say cowardice?
    Letting this guy retire is a travesty...
    No. The guns are at fault. Don't you know anything?
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,263 Senior Member
    Fortunately, the SRO's I dealt with during my career in public education were not the kind of sniveling cowards this guy seems to be. They did their best to promote positive relationships with the students, when the kids would allow it to happen, but they were quick to kick butt and take names when necessary. School administrators- - - - -they were a whole different bunch- - - -lace-panty weasels who would hang a classroom teacher out to dry in a heartbeat for simply engaging in self defense against an aggressive student.
    Jerry
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    NPR just aird a spokes woman for the national teachers union crowing against armed teachers and for gun control.

    Why not an NRA sponsored good guy with a gun school security camapaign using local PD's and NRA monetary donations equal to half their 2017 political campaign contributions?
    They were supposed to have done something similar after Sandy Hook. Apparently, they got too busy shilling for Team Red to bother themselves with firearm rights, training, and safety.

    When you have Wayne LaPierre up at CPAC preaching to the choir about "socialists" in reference to Democrats, you know he is off message. When the organization endorses a presidential candidate that suggests an AWB and extended waiting periods in his own damn book, you know they have lost their way.

    They are nothing more than a lap dog for the Republican Party now.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    They were supposed to have done something similar after Sandy Hook. Apparently, they got too busy shilling for Team Red to bother themselves with firearm rights, training, and safety.

    When you have Wayne LaPierre up at CPAC preaching to the choir about "socialists" in reference to Democrats, you know he is off message. When the organization endorses a presidential candidate that suggests an AWB and extended waiting periods in his own damn book, you know they have lost their way.

    They are nothing more than a lap dog for the Republican Party now.
    What were they supposed to do? Endorse the Democrat?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,053 Senior Member
    What were they supposed to do? Endorse the Democrat?
    Endorse nobody. They have done that many times throughout their history. Make them EARN an endorsement.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    Endorse nobody. They have done that many times throughout their history. Make them EARN an endorsement.
    obama-blank-stare.jpg
    Overkill is underrated.
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    Jermanator wrote: »
    They were supposed to have done something similar after Sandy Hook. Apparently, they got too busy shilling for Team Red to bother themselves with firearm rights, training, and safety.

    When you have Wayne LaPierre up at CPAC preaching to the choir about "socialists" in reference to Democrats, you know he is off message. When the organization endorses a presidential candidate that suggests an AWB and extended waiting periods in his own damn book, you know they have lost their way.

    They are nothing more than a lap dog for the Republican Party now.

    This why I quit them many years ago.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    early wrote: »
    NPR just aird a spokes woman for the national teachers union crowing against armed teachers and for gun control.

    Why not an NRA sponsored good guy with a gun school security camapaign using local PD's and NRA monetary donations equal to half their 2017 political campaign contributions?

    I would expect no different from that left leaning union. Now as to arming teachers, I do not see that as much off a solution. I bet over half hate guns ... of those left the majority likely don’t have the skills nor desire to learn the skills to handle a firearm. Just a shot in the dark guess 5% of teachers would qualify to carry. Now as to that say 5% by all means let them carry and give them a better chance to respond to an attack and possibly stop it way quicker than waiting for however long a LEO response time is. Arming those teachers (and staff) would be one good step but nothing will STOP a person hell bent on an attack ... it can only end it after it starts and minimize.

    I would love to have seen that Asst football coach been trained, allowed and carrying ... I truly believe that Man and his mindset would have made a difference.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • earlyearly Senior Member Posts: 4,950 Senior Member
    NPR also reported that in Connecticut teachers that choose or want to be armed are afraid to speak out publicly.
    My thoughts are generally clear. My typing, not so much.
  • FlashoverFlashover Member Posts: 388 Member
    Here where I am..we have the Royal Canadian Mounted Police...they use officers on restricted duty or "internal review" to perform the role of resource officers at schools. Is a big confidence booster :P

    Saw Trump mentioned today idea of offering teachers more money if they get trained and carry.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,836 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    I would expect no different from that left leaning union. Now as to arming teachers, I do not see that as much off a solution. I bet over half hate guns ... of those left the majority likely don’t have the skills nor desire to learn the skills to handle a firearm. Just a shot in the dark guess 5% of teachers would qualify to carry. Now as to that say 5% by all means let them carry and give them a better chance to respond to an attack and possibly stop it way quicker than waiting for however long a LEO response time is. Arming those teachers (and staff) would be one good step but nothing will STOP a person hell bent on an attack ... it can only end it after it starts and minimize.

    I would love to have seen that Asst football coach been trained, allowed and carrying ... I truly believe that Man and his mindset would have made a difference.

    Biggest issue that I see in regards to arming teachers is not the training but them having the will to fight..
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,052 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Biggest issue that I see in regards to arming teachers is not the training but them having the will to fight..
    That's why I think it should be voluntary: only the ones who want to should be armed. Same with other school personnel.

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    Overkill is underrated.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,462 Senior Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Biggest issue that I see in regards to arming teachers is not the training but them having the will to fight..

    Not me. Seems like most of these shootings have stories of teachers/coaches who give their life to save kids......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,263 Senior Member
    Maybe some of those "hero" teachers had an epiphany about how badly they had been hoodwinked by their college professors and school administrators and decided to finally grow a pair and do something noteworthy in the last few seconds they had on earth, no matter how futile the effort might have been. Better late than never, I suppose!
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,412 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio wrote: »
    Not me. Seems like most of these shootings have stories of teachers/coaches who give their life to save kids......

    Agreed! There seems to always be a few.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,836 Senior Member
    Too bad the good guy with a gun chose to hide behind a car rather than nut up and fight....
    It's a job not everyone is cut out for.... unfortunately he discovered that at a really bad moment...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,801 Senior Member
    We can thank Joe Biden for the Gun Free Schools law. Nothing like making schools a free fire zone for the crazies. There are bound to be teachers that would step up and take the training. Not all of them are liberal hand wringers. I know a few teachers in my small county that are CCW licensed. And they aren't nervous Nellie types, either. Country gals that will make you not want to get on their bad side, but nice as can be if you treat them like the ladies they are. They couldn't be all there are in the U.S.

    Better to have a gun in the teacher's hand than a cowering cop in the bushes.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,263 Senior Member
    Maybe he went to the same school of crisis intervention as the Virginia Tech bunch. They hid behind a bunch of big trees and got caught on camera. Maybe guys like that need to wear uniforms with a big yellow stripe up the back.
    Jerry
    Hide and wail in terror, Eloi- - - -We Morlocks are on the hunt!
    ASK-HOLE Someone who asks for advice and always does something opposite
  • ArmoredmanArmoredman Member Posts: 347 Member
    We had a security guard on campus who was a retired Chicago police officer, carried the same .357 he had in Chicago. About 2 years into my high school career, someone noticed he was actually armed, and threw a fit, so they disarmed him. However, this WAS almost 40 years ago, too.
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,666 Senior Member
    Teach wrote: »
    Maybe he went to the same school of crisis intervention as the Virginia Tech bunch. They hid behind a bunch of big trees and got caught on camera. Maybe guys like that need to wear uniforms with a big yellow stripe up the back.
    Jerry

    At least all the officers went home safe.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    Last night it was reported there were 4 LEOs outside of the SRO’s house keeping people away from him ... 4 LEOs protecting the SRO but only 1 SRO assigned to a school with a couple thousand students.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,666 Senior Member
    This is what happens when you rely on a faceless "Them" to protect you:

    FBI- Completely fumbles a credible threat.
    Local LEOs- 30-something calls that involved the shooter including domestic abuse that is a prohibiting factor for buying a gun
    Local DA- Did they prosecute him if he was ever arrested for the above? Dunno, not seen any reporting on this
    SRO- Hid and set up a 'one man perimeter' instead of doing his ONE DAMN JOB to protect the kids. But you, know... 'officer safety' is paramount.

    ...and kids died. All of them waiting for the Govt to come and protect them. YOU are your own first responder. Because the Police and the Govt are not there to protect you. Read up on the supreme court case on that.

    Remember the school shooting in the cafeteria (during the Clinton years) where a kid came in to a Florida school with a 10/22, and started shooting? As soon as the bolt locked back on the first mag, two brothers that know guns jumped the kid and beat him senseless. They showed up at the press conference with their dad wearing NRA hats and shirts. THAT one faded from the news fast. Remember Pearl, Mississippi? Principal ran to his car (parked off campus because Gun Control), grabbed his HANDGUN, ran back in and confronted the shooter. Did not even have to fire a shot, and the kid dropped his SKS and started crying and gave up.

    Fight back. Yeah, the odds are long going up against an AR with a fire extinguisher and a pair of scissors, but it's better than the zero percent chance of being a bullet catcher.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    Support your local Scouts!
  • Squawk BoxSquawk Box New Member Posts: 59 Member
    Jayhawker wrote: »
    Just saw this on the news....holy crap..this incident was a law enforcement failure from start to finish from the Feds to local LEs...
    Can anyone say cowardice?
    Letting this guy retire is a travesty...

    I can say it, cowardice, and craven cowardice at that.
    You can rest assured that it will follow him to his grave; and he will be remembered as a man, who was afraid to take on a dangerous felon with a gun.
    And at a school! While the kids were being murdered!
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,590 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Right on the money.

    Buddy of mine told me about a guy he trained with for MANY months. All the right qualifications and screening and he spent a long time training for an elite Federal government agency. Guy excelled in all the trainings etc. First time it got real and bullets whizzed by he basically froze and as soon as they got home he requested a transfer to a desk job as an analyst...

    Not excusing this guy in FL, I could not live with myself if I was in the same spot and did what he did and since I HAVE faced a guy with a gun pointed in my direction I feel pretty good about the reaction I'd expect of myself. But, reality is that most LEOs go through life never having to find out if they actually can face a guy with a gun pointing back at them.
    I agree with all of the above. It is hard to know how one will react in such a situation until your actual life is on the line. We hope they will all act heroically, but armed with a pistol against a suicidal teen with an AR, those aren't necessarily amazing odds. Acting heroically in such a situation requires overriding millions of years of evolution towards self preservation. It's one thing to defend yourself, but to put yourself in harm's way to protect others takes an extra level of heroism that's not super common in society and probably even less common among security officers making $15-25/hr to break up school fights and check for drugs.

    Expecting such people to be the only line of defense is probably not going to get you very far. Indiscriminately arming teachers will lead to similarly useless results. Allowing teachers with CCW permits to carry in school may help, since it is already a self selected group of individuals who already at least have some level of a defense mindset. Many of them still might freeze, but at least the odds are higher that one might step up.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    NCFUBAR wrote: »
    I would expect no different from that left leaning union. Now as to arming teachers, I do not see that as much off a solution. I bet over half hate guns ... of those left the majority likely don’t have the skills nor desire to learn the skills to handle a firearm. Just a shot in the dark guess 5% of teachers would qualify to carry. Now as to that say 5% by all means let them carry and give them a better chance to respond to an attack and possibly stop it way quicker than waiting for however long a LEO response time is. Arming those teachers (and staff) would be one good step but nothing will STOP a person hell bent on an attack ... it can only end it after it starts and minimize.

    I would love to have seen that Asst football coach been trained, allowed and carrying ... I truly believe that Man and his mindset would have made a difference.

    Teachers are in the same pickle as movie stars, to a degree. If they want to get the good jobs, they need to be seen as team players. So, unless they are particularly well grounded in conservative politics, it's better for their careers to go along with the union line.

    In my opinion, they should have the right to defend themselves, like anybody else in a job that might be targeted by looney's. If they are smart, or if they can get more money for it, they should take training that involves those 'shoot/don't shoot' drills like cops do, to make them distinguish between targets and victims. Also, it appears that in these school shootings, it happens fairly often that the teachers will put themselves between the shooter and the kids, so I think they shouldn't have to be bare handed when they do it.

    Of course, my thought processes in this regard are probably prejudiced by the fact that I have my only two daughters working at the local high school, plus all of my seven grand kids in the same school system.
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