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DOJ says bump stocks are covered by NFA

CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior MemberKaniksu Nat'l Forest, IDPosts: 5,486 Senior Member


https://www.justice.gov/opa/pr/department-justice-submits-notice-proposed-regulation-banning-bump-stocks

Department of Justice Submits Notice of Proposed Regulation Banning Bump Stocks

Today the Department of Justice submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the definition of “machinegun” in the National Firearms Act and Gun Control Act includes bump stock type devices, and that federal law accordingly prohibits the possession, sale, or manufacture of such devices. 

"President Trump is absolutely committed to ensuring the safety and security of every American and he has directed us to propose a regulation addressing bump stocks,” said Attorney General Jeff Sessions. “To that end, the Department of Justice has submitted to the Office of Management and Budget a notice of a proposed regulation to clarify that the National Firearms and Gun Control Act defines ‘machinegun’ to include bump stock type devices.”

This submission is a formal requirement of the regulatory review process.  Once approved by the Office of Management and Budget, the Department of Justice will seek to publish this notice as expeditiously as possible.


When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

Adam J. McCleod


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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member North CarolinaPosts: 4,324 Senior Member
    So does this mean those who currently own them have to dispose of them or have a certain time to Tax Stamp them or what?
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member North CarolinaPosts: 4,324 Senior Member
    edited March 2018 #5
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    To me ... they are pretty much like a bump stock a novelty but 3 times MSRP. If you really are interested check Fostech Echo ($480) or Franklin Binary ($430). Fire on pull and then on release ... binary action is better than a bump stock but still not worth the price I’d admission or cost of ammunition to me.
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Kaniksu Nat'l Forest, IDPosts: 5,486 Senior Member
    I don't really care about the bump stock...my biggest concern is the DOJ simply adding a device that was previously approved by the ATF as a regular accessory. If the DOJ can declare this, what else are they going to try?
    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • TeachTeach Senior Member Dellrose TNPosts: 18,428 Senior Member

    Hmmmm- - - - -sounds like it's time to start building "fidget spinners" with hand cranks that attach to a trigger guard.  "Just spinning my toy, ossifer- - - - -the fact that it's bumping my trigger 3 times a turn is purely coincidental!"


  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,933 Senior Member

    A machine gun, as defined in the NFA, is "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." The NFA term machine gun refers to all firearms capable of full automatic fire and includes true machine guns, assault rifles, battle rifles, submachine guns, and machine pistols. The frame or receiver of a machine gun, and any combination of parts intended to make a machine gun, is legally defined as a machine gun. For example, according to the ATF, "A Glock conversion switch is a part designed and intended for use in converting a semi-automatic Glock pistol into a machine gun; therefore, it is a "machine gun" as defined in 26 U.S.C. 5845(b)." Parts that can be used to convert a semi-automatic firearm to fully automatic capability are regulated as machineguns and must be registered and tax paid under the NFA. The US Military issued kits T17 and T18 to convert the M1 carbine to an M2, capable of fully automatic fire; these kits are legally "machine guns".  What exactly are they clarifying?  "Any weapon which shoots, is designed to shoot, or can be readily restored to shoot, automatically more than one shot without manual reloading, by a single function of the trigger." Semi Automatic AR-15s and AK-47s are not designed to fire fully automatic. They cannot be "restored" to fire fully automatic.  "Any combination of parts intended to make a machine gun, is legally defined as a machine gun." Is this what they are clarifying? From my understanding the "bump stock" uses recoil with the operator's finger to simulate full automatic fire. Some skilled individuals can accomplish this without a "bump stock". I could certainly be wrong but I think a congressional "ACT" may only be altered by congress or interpreted/"clarified" by SCOTUS. Same with GCA 1968 which allows 18 year olds to legally purchase and/or possess rifles and shotguns.     

  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack



      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,930 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack




    They are a little expensive.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Under a logPosts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Those binary triggers are flying off the shelves. Hard to find one anywhere. I suspect we're in for more shortages of EVERYTHING depending on what the Congresscritters try to pass, or worse yet, pass regarding new laws to hobble the innocent firearms owners.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member East TexasPosts: 10,815 Senior Member
    I have never had a desire for bump stocks, or really anything like auto fire, but I don't like for any president to get the Justice Department to re-define existing definitions in a way that will further erode constitutional law. This action and a couple of other statements recently made by the president (regarding gun laws) are straight from the liberal playbook of making new law or altering existing law in a way that will have no effect on the tragedies that sparked this emotional and ineffectual response. It is a feel-good law that doesn't solve any problem, and distracts from any efforts that might actually help.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Lake County, FloridaPosts: 7,927 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    tennmike said:
    Best get your binary and other 'trick' triggers while they're still available.
    Where can I get one?
    They ain't CHEAP! But here's the one that everybody seems to like.

    https://www.franklinarmory.com/products/binary-firing-system-gen-iii-trigger-pack




    They are a little expensive.
    I would seriously consider spending the money if I was certain they wouldn't be banned as well, once the next mass shooter was found to be using one.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Green Mtn. BoyGreen Mtn. Boy New Member Green MountainsPosts: 34 Member
    That must be why the ATF approved them as non NFA in the first place,all of this was done with Negotiating Rights Away since 1934 approval.
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