Former FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe fired

tennmiketennmike Senior MemberPosts: 22,616 Senior Member
It's about time that this happened.

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2018/03/16/former-fbi-deputy-director-andrew-mccabe-fired.html
he Justice Department dealt a stunning blow to former Acting FBI Director Andrew McCabe on Friday night, firing him just days before he would have been eligible for a lifetime pension after determining that he lied to investigators reviewing the bureau’s probe of Hillary Clinton’s email server.

"Pursuant to Department Order 1202, and based on the report of the Inspector General, the findings of the FBI Office of Professional Responsibility, and the recommendation of the Department’s senior career official, I have terminated the employment of Andrew McCabe effective immediately," Attorney General Jeff Sessions said in a statement.

"After an extensive and fair investigation and according to Department of Justice procedure, the Department’s Office of the Inspector General (OIG) provided its report on allegations of misconduct by Andrew McCabe to the FBI’s Office of Professional Responsibility (OPR)," Sessions said.

"The FBI’s OPR then reviewed the report and underlying documents and issued a disciplinary proposal recommending the dismissal of Mr. McCabe.  Both the OIG and FBI OPR reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions.

The FBI expects every employee to adhere to the highest standards of honesty, integrity, and accountability.  As the OPR proposal stated, 'all FBI employees know that lacking candor under oath results in dismissal and that our integrity is our brand.'



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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,285 Senior Member
    Excellent. Maybe Hillary will be next under the glass.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,084 Senior Member

    I wonder how many others he's going to point the finger at before Hilary's hit man gets to him?  I expect him to shoot himself in the back of the head 3 or 4 times any day now!

    Jerry


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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,044 Senior Member
    When Trump says this on Twitter back in December:
    "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!"

    ...and the attorney general fires him just over 24 hours before he was supposed to retire, I can't see this ending well for Sessions or Trump. I think they stepped in it.
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,991 Senior Member
    When Trump says this on Twitter back in December:
    "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!"

    ...and the attorney general fires him just over 24 hours before he was supposed to retire, I can't see this ending well for Sessions or Trump. I think they stepped in it.
    They really don't know when to stop digging. A transparent middle finger to him. I'm sure a dozen or more top employment law firms will be offering pro bono services to him. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,991 Senior Member
    As another non-coincidence Trump Jr's wife filed for divorce using a well known criminal defense lawyer the same day Muller subpoenaed documents from the Trump org Jr is running. Jr is also on record of meeting with Russians during the campaign. To me it definitely looks like the rats are scurrying and trying to find a way to abandon ship.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,727 Senior Member
    edited March 17 #7
    As another non-coincidence Trump Jr's wife filed for divorce using a well known criminal defense lawyer the same day Muller subpoenaed documents from the Trump org Jr is running. Jr is also on record of meeting with Russians during the campaign. To me it definitely looks like the rats are scurrying and trying to find a way to abandon ship.
    Funny how his being fired was because of lying about hillary clinton (to cover up her wrong doings) but you attempt to use it against President Trump.  Liberal tactics are becoming predictable and boring
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,727 Senior Member
    Have seen this happen at a much lower level.  After things quiet down, if he is not found guilty of a crime, his retirement will be reinstated after a review. 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,285 Senior Member
    edited March 17 #9
    Diver43 said:
    Funny how his being fired was because of lying about hillary clinton (to cover up her wrong doings) but you attempt to use it against President Trump.  Liberal tactics are becoming predictable and boring
    Its all about Trump, dontcha know? When the bridge collapsed, the Commie News Network wasn't covering *that*, they were bitching about Trump instead. Now I didn't like either of the Bushes, but at least it isn't Bush's fault anymore...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,616 Senior Member
    As another non-coincidence Trump Jr's wife filed for divorce using a well known criminal defense lawyer the same day Muller subpoenaed documents from the Trump org Jr is running. Jr is also on record of meeting with Russians during the campaign. To me it definitely looks like the rats are scurrying and trying to find a way to abandon ship.
    He was supposed to meet a Russian woman who claimed to have dirt on Hillary. Nothing came of it, and you should know that. Stop being ridiculous. Hillary paid for a dossier on Trump collected by a British spy that supposedly got it from the Russians, and then tried to foist it on anyone that would take it. John McCain finally took it and passed it on.

    How about Hillary selling 25% of our uranium to the Russians and receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes deposited into the Clinton Foundation? And at the same time Bill Clinton got $500,000 for a speech in Russia at the same time. How about Hillary taking millions of dollars in campaign cash from rich Arab countries, and MORE millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation? How about Hillary rigging the Democratic Primary to shut out Bernie 'The Socialist' Sanders? How about that?

    You're living in a glass house so don't be throwing rocks at the neighbors across the street! :smiley:
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    Gee, Alf,

    It's funny to me that you have no problem with Mueller indicting people for lying, thereby forcing them to expend whatever personal wealth they have just to avoid long prison sentences, but you think it is horrible for an Obama appointed Inspector General to perform his stated duty to provide evidence to the Office of Professional Responsibility that requires them to terminate McCabe. Try laying down your DNC talking points for five minutes and suspending your straw man argument for long enough to look at genuine evidence.

    What if the IG report reveals that McCabe and others obstructed justice, based on a DNC paid for fake document that came from Russia? You already know that Hilary Clinton basically owned the DNC, according to Donna Brazile, but you don't seem to care that Bernie Sanders was never going to be allowed to win the nomination. Yet, you still refuse to admit that there was wrongdoing by your party, and do all you can to help them bait and switch from the facts, because the liberal 'anti-Christ' tweeted encouragement?

    The last thing I want to be is a Trump defender, but I don't hate him with such vitriol that I will ignore anything else. You are forever trying to use statistics and graphs to prove that the headlines don't tell the real story, so how about an objective examination of the facts, without the anti-Republican spin? Are you honest, or not?

    Instead of countering existing evidence by attempting to put someone else on trial, why can't you comment on the evidence that has been presented? Do you care so little about furthering the Constitutional crisis that is underway that you will ignore corruption at the highest levels of the Justice Department, just because it might hurt your team?
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    edited March 17 #12
    When Trump says this on Twitter back in December:
    "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!"

    ...and the attorney general fires him just over 24 hours before he was supposed to retire, I can't see this ending well for Sessions or Trump. I think they stepped in it.
    Maybe, but what does that have to do with the IG report? Trump has made similar comments about him being an Obama operative. He tweets against anybody that he thinks may try to hurt him, so how does that make the IG report invalid, and the rule about the OPR having to fire anyone in the Justice department for intentional lying, or as they phrase it, 'lack of candor?'
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,616 Senior Member
    And regarding 'Russian collusion' and politicians meeting with Russians, that goes on on BOTH sides of the aisle on a VERY REGULAR basis. Hard to work out any trade deals if you don't meet with the people you're dealing with ain't it! Speaking of Russia, bribes and all kinds of coercion go on when they make deals; it's how they've operated for a few centuries. How ya think those D.C. politicians get rich?
    If a Liberal throws a hand grenade at you, pick it up, pull the pin, and throw it back at them.



  • NomadacNomadac Senior Member Posts: 871 Senior Member
    When Trump says this on Twitter back in December:
    "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!"

    ...and the attorney general fires him just over 24 hours before he was supposed to retire, I can't see this ending well for Sessions or Trump. I think they stepped in it.
    In a statement, the Department of Justice said “the OIG (Office of Inspector General) and FBI OPR ( Office of Personal Responsibility) reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions.”
    There is also speculation he might be indicted for crimes he committed, relating to the FISA  and not disclosing the Democrats/Hillary were the sponsors of the Dossier with the Russians, etc. 

  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 1,511 Senior Member
    If this was Sessions acting independently there may be a problem. However, from what little I read Sessions was acting on the recommendation of the FBI itself. I suspect Trump knew what was going to happen, hence his tweet. 
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,044 Senior Member
    Nomadac said:
    When Trump says this on Twitter back in December:
    "FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe is racing the clock to retire with full benefits. 90 days to go?!!!"

    ...and the attorney general fires him just over 24 hours before he was supposed to retire, I can't see this ending well for Sessions or Trump. I think they stepped in it.
    In a statement, the Department of Justice said “the OIG (Office of Inspector General) and FBI OPR ( Office of Personal Responsibility) reports concluded that Mr. McCabe had made an unauthorized disclosure to the news media and lacked candor − including under oath − on multiple occasions.”
    There is also speculation he might be indicted for crimes he committed, relating to the FISA  and not disclosing the Democrats/Hillary were the sponsors of the Dossier with the Russians, etc. 

    Which is fine and dandy. If he did something against the law, nail him. But in context of Trumps December 23rd Twitter comment, it gives the appearance that the firing was in spite and politically motivated. For people that are complaining about the politicalization of the FBI, it would be best if they didn't make their moves look so politically motivated. That is why I do not think this will go as well as they expected and I believe it was a forced error on their part. It was a dumb move in my opinion.

    104RFAST-- While it is kind enough of you to click the "disagree" button on my comment, how about explaining why you disagree? How was firing a guy that was going to be out of the picture in under 48 hours advantageous to Trump and Sessions? I can see Sessions gaining something because it gets his boss off his butt for a little bit, but over the long term, I see this incident coming back to bite both of them on the rear end. Justified or not, this termination looks too vindictive and political and may be adding gas to the fire. Please explain how the benefits (that I can't seem to find) somehow outweigh the potential negatives? 
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,653 Senior Member
    If anyone believes they didn't have this info days, weeks, even  months ago, I'm sorry you were born to a crack addicted woman. 
    Doesnt matter that he deserved to be fired. What matters is they did it at the last minute. It's a total political   d i c k move. 
    If there's more people involved, it's now going to be more difficult to get people on board with their removal/prosecution.  
    Its just  going to be seen as Trump being a 🚿🛍
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,285 Senior Member
    I'm beginning to agree with Jerm and CPJ! Goddess help me...
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,991 Senior Member
    edited March 17 #19
    tennmike said:
    As another non-coincidence Trump Jr's wife filed for divorce using a well known criminal defense lawyer the same day Muller subpoenaed documents from the Trump org Jr is running. Jr is also on record of meeting with Russians during the campaign. To me it definitely looks like the rats are scurrying and trying to find a way to abandon ship.
    He was supposed to meet a Russian woman who claimed to have dirt on Hillary. Nothing came of it, and you should know that. Stop being ridiculous. Hillary paid for a dossier on Trump collected by a British spy that supposedly got it from the Russians, and then tried to foist it on anyone that would take it. John McCain finally took it and passed it on.

    How about Hillary selling 25% of our uranium to the Russians and receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes deposited into the Clinton Foundation? And at the same time Bill Clinton got $500,000 for a speech in Russia at the same time. How about Hillary taking millions of dollars in campaign cash from rich Arab countries, and MORE millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation? How about Hillary rigging the Democratic Primary to shut out Bernie 'The Socialist' Sanders? How about that?

    You're living in a glass house so don't be throwing rocks at the neighbors across the street! :smiley:
    I don't live in Hillary's house. Hillary being a terrible human being doesn't make Trump not shady as heck and more than likely the head of a criminal enterprise.
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,044 Senior Member
    edited March 17 #20
    tennmike said:
    He was supposed to meet a Russian woman who claimed to have dirt on Hillary. Nothing came of it, and you should know that. Stop being ridiculous. Hillary paid for a dossier on Trump collected by a British spy that supposedly got it from the Russians, and then tried to foist it on anyone that would take it. John McCain finally took it and passed it on.

    How about Hillary selling 25% of our uranium to the Russians and receiving hundreds of millions of dollars in bribes deposited into the Clinton Foundation? And at the same time Bill Clinton got $500,000 for a speech in Russia at the same time. How about Hillary taking millions of dollars in campaign cash from rich Arab countries, and MORE millions in donations to the Clinton Foundation? How about Hillary rigging the Democratic Primary to shut out Bernie 'The Socialist' Sanders? How about that?
    We have had a Trump appointee lead Justice Department for 14months now. Where are the indictments? It seems like the only thing they are concerned with is this whole Russia thing and that is only because it has the potential to make Trump look bad-- in other words, it has nothing to do with justice and everything to do with politics. If anyone is politicizing the Justice Department, it looks like they are. 

    I want to see Lois Lerner's head on a stick! How about those morons responsible for "Fast and Furious" that resulted in the murder of one of our border patrol agents? I guess since it has nothing to do with Trump, none of that really matters.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,616 Senior Member
    I don't live in Hillary's house. Hillary being a terrible human being doesn't make Trump not shady as heck and more than likely the head of a criminal enterprise.
    You don't live in Trump's house either. So what does one have to do with the other, other than provide a weak deflection.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    Trump is a highly competent executive. Almost shockingly so after eight years of Obama. Everything he does is calculated, including dirty deeds. He's in bed with Russia up to his eyeballs and may or may not get away with it.

    Hillary is guilty of all the same excepting the competencey. She's so far escaped the spotlight because of the outgoing administration's shell games and she lost the election.

    TV news will rot the brain.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    If anyone believes they didn't have this info days, weeks, even  months ago, I'm sorry you were born to a crack addicted woman. 
    Doesnt matter that he deserved to be fired. What matters is they did it at the last minute. It's a total political   d i c k move. 
    If there's more people involved, it's now going to be more difficult to get people on board with their removal/prosecution.  
    Its just  going to be seen as Trump being a 🚿🛍
    The way this works is that the AG and the Deputy AG are the bosses of the FBI. AG Sessions has recused himself from the Russia collusion investigation, so it is unclear to everyone (including him, I think) when he can un-recuse himself to actually do his job. Deputy AG Rosenstein was NOT going to fire McCabe, and as you say, he knows all about him, so he answered all questions about him by saying he couldn't talk about it until the IG made his investigative results public. He said this repeatedly to the House committee, as did Wray, the new diector of the FBI.

    The IG probably has been dragging his feet, probably because the report is going to be bad, and then everybody will be all over him. The OPR is basically the human resources dept. or personnel, or whatever, that deals with employee discipline and termination. So, Sessions apparently just stayed out of it and accepted Rosenstein's pronouncement, again. The IG has probably had this information for a long time, and apparently decided that if he didn't provide the results on McCabe in time to fire him, he would be judged more harshly than if he ran out the clock and let McCabe get his 1.8 million dollars.

    Of course, there's more to the story and we won't know what it is till somebody who is not playing CYA sorts it all out. Did they drag it out to the last minute? Of course. Will the Democrats screech at Trump about that? Of course. Does Trump give damn? Of course not. Do I? No - his opposite number would have done the same, or worse, and has.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    PS: cpj,

    as far as getting the kind of cooperation needed to sort this out, it is not going to happen until an independent prosecutor takes the case in front of a grand jury and squeezes it out of them. Under the threat of jail, most will tell the truth, rather than go to jail. Until then, they believe that the Democrat spin machine and some slick lawyers will extricate them.
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,653 Senior Member
    Quote = Bisley:"No - his opposite number would have done the same, or worse, and has."


    Did you really just play the "a democrat is just as bad or worse" card? Or did I misread you?
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    Zee
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 7,991 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    I don't live in Hillary's house. Hillary being a terrible human being doesn't make Trump not shady as heck and more than likely the head of a criminal enterprise.
    You don't live in Trump's house either. So what does one have to do with the other, other than provide a weak deflection.
    Yet when I brought up issues with Trump (Jr.) you deflected with Clinton. I have not and will never defend anything Clinton has done. I'd be perfectly happy if both Clinton and Trump spent the rest of their days in prison. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member

    cpj said:
    Quote = Bisley:"No - his opposite number would have done the same, or worse, and has."


    Did you really just play the "a democrat is just as bad or worse" card? Or did I misread you?

    I just replied to your first comment with about 400 words,expressing my understanding of the situation, in response to your inquisitive statement and you want to play Adam Shiff 'gotcha' with me over my saying that No, I care no more about what Trump tweets than I do about what Obama has said on every side of every subject?

    Troll away, buddy. I'm here for you, but don't expect me to try very hard if that's all you've got.



  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,044 Senior Member
    bisley said:

    I just replied to your first comment with about 400 words,expressing my understanding of the situation,



    Is this 400 words your understanding of the situation, or is it 400 words of pure speculation out of the blue? Your use and emphasis on probably suggests speculation. None of us know what actually happened. Maybe your gut instinct leads you to speculate what may have happened. I don't know or care what happened but I can smell the poop. And if it went down as you "understand" it, it still smells like poop.
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,653 Senior Member
    I wasn't trolling. I was asking a question. You either misunderstood the question, or I misunderstood the original statement, hence mt
    question. 
    No matter, **** this form section. I'm out 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    bisley said:

    I just replied to your first comment with about 400 words,expressing my understanding of the situation,



    Is this 400 words your understanding of the situation, or is it 400 words of pure speculation out of the blue? Your use and emphasis on probably suggests speculation. None of us know what actually happened. Maybe your gut instinct leads you to speculate what may have happened. I don't know or care what happened but I can smell the poop. And if it went down as you "understand" it, it still smells like poop.
    Every thread posted here opens the door for opinion - there would be very few replies, without some speculation. My use of italics and weasel words like 'maybe' and 'probably' was intended to identify those particular statements as speculation, as opposed to others which I think are established fact, although it is possible (<speculation) that they are being ignored by the most rabid never-Trumpers..
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,999 Senior Member
    edited March 18 #31
    One thing that is not speculation about why the IG waited till the last day to release a report to the OPR for action is that once an employee is terminated, the authority of the IG to question that employee no longer exists. I won't go into that further, as it would involve speculation.
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