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bisley
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Off-The-Wall Ideas about school safety
bisley
Senior MemberPosts: 10,650 Senior Member
I think we all agree that gun control laws will solve nothing, as it relates to school protection. The bucket of rocks thread gave me the idea to examine all of the off-the-wall ideas, and challenge all of you smart people to come up with hare-brained ideas that can't be debunked. Let's keep it fairly low budget, like this one I posted on another forum:
"OK, let's explore other silly ideas. How about armored golf carts inside the building. Volunteer teachers converge on the shooter and run him down. Even if he runs into a closet, he is contained. Make them zero-turn, like a lawnmower, and two or three could probably herd him out the door, or pin him in a corner. They could cost $50,000 by the time the government approves them, and that's still less than one properly trained security guard.
My point is that there are hundreds of different ways, maybe thousands, which would save lives - which gun control will not do."
Post 'em up, and then we'll tear them down.
"OK, let's explore other silly ideas. How about armored golf carts inside the building. Volunteer teachers converge on the shooter and run him down. Even if he runs into a closet, he is contained. Make them zero-turn, like a lawnmower, and two or three could probably herd him out the door, or pin him in a corner. They could cost $50,000 by the time the government approves them, and that's still less than one properly trained security guard.
My point is that there are hundreds of different ways, maybe thousands, which would save lives - which gun control will not do."
Post 'em up, and then we'll tear them down.
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Retired and/or honorably discharged veterans employed as resource assistants payed at tax payer expence in conjunction with funds from verterans organizations in cooperation and co-sponsored with and by local law enforcement agencies. Sometimes armed with CCW's, sometimes not, depending on circumstance, but never divulged to the general public or student body.
Enough is enough. No more gun free zones.
What do you see available to hurt someone with? How will you use it? Like anywhere else in life, everything becomes a weapon-- fire extinguishers, chairs, desks, books, pencils, pens, staplers, trash cans, hair brushes.
Like the rest of life, the biggest thing is I am trying to teach them to be as ruthless as possible if faced with a threat and the mindset to do it. There is no need to be cynical about it or teach them to be cynical, but to understand that reality.
Solve this problem or go sit down with the liberals.
shush - you are needed here, too. Give us one of those 'boffin' ideas, like you folks used on D-Day.
orchidman - you, too. This is right up your alley.
At EACH classroom door, a metal ground pad outside. Small CCTV camera in ceiling outside and inside a small CCTV monitor at side of doorframe to locate shooter. When shooter is standing on pad, metal net drops down and lights them up like a short circuit in an electrical switchyard. 'Smoke 'em if ya got 'em!'
Double entrance doors to school to trap any nitwit trying to enter with firearms. Bulletproof construction, and bulletproof glass at the side for checkin of visitors. Metal detector between door sets that have to be passed before entry.
Enough metal detectors to efficiently move students coming in to school. It CAN be done.
Bring back the alternative schools with serious discipline for any student that tries to bring a weapon on campus.
No firearms are in these three simple fixes with exception for school SROs.
I say birds, bats, and bees. Have some in every class room to set loose, confusing and disorienting a would be shooter.
Being in school as a kid always made me FEEL like I was suffocating inside an inescapable prison; might as well make the reality match the sensation.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Off the wall idea...make the classroom doors ballistically secure, with the ability to bolt closed with the push of a button.
Ayn Rand
-- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
I like the ideas that turn high school students into adults, at least to the extent that those who are able should look for ways to fight back by outnumbering and overwhelming a lone attacker. Ideas that help them to survive, whether by flight or fight should be encouraged by their local school boards, with as much parental participation as can be mustered.
Senior boys are months away from becoming soldiers, Marines, etc., so a certain percentage of them can be empowered as leaders who will fight back, if faced with a desperate situation, If all they are taught is to run away, they won't have a plan and will miss any opportunity that they might have had to save themselves and others. It's completely possible that one of them might find himself within 20 feet of an attacker, with the gun pointed the other way - perfect for a bull rush that could knock him loose from the gun, or allow him to be taken out by two or three fired up teenagers.
No matter how twisted their heads are, nobody wants to be known as the guy that showed up with a gun and got beat to death with a spelling book.
1. We've got this institutionally-entrenched sheeple mindset that sends kids home for drawing pictures of guns or wearing NRA tee shirts along with preaching of a mantra that violence doesn't solve anything. These folks are so in love with academia that they never LEFT academia, and committing acts of violence even in defense is a concept most of them can't even comprehend - let alone teach. In a discussion of Sun Tzu's The Art of War, they haven't even found the fingerpaint and crayons.
2. Assuming you can get past the problems of #1, you still have to sell the parents on it. Half are going to cough up a hairball at the notion in much the same way the aforementioned educators will (How dare you teach my little Johnny such warlike behavior!). The other half will silently nod and go along at the PTA meeting, then immediately go home and tell their kid "I don't care if they told you to stand your ground and throw staplers! Let the OTHER kids take one for the team - YOU get the hell out of there!"
3. Public schools are home to some of the worst impulses of human behavior, what with their cliques of popularity, exclusion, shaming, assimilation, and lack thereof. One side is that it's pretty hard to convince anyone at the dawn of their life, who has barely even contemplated their own mortality, to shift out of that gear at a moment's notice to lay it all down for someone else. The other side. . . as I hinted at in my first post, about all I had in common with most of my fellow students was that we were inmates in the same prison, and when I graduated, I was paroled and DONE with them. If you'd have suggested at age 16 that I risk a bullet to save any but a small, select handful, I'd have laughed long, loud, and hard at the notion.
4. While some of them may be months away from becoming Soldiers and Marines, they haven't had anything like that kind of structured programming yet, so for the most part, you're still dealing with 1 through 3.
So. . .this notion of active security from within. . .I have my doubts.
But to get back to my moats and draw-bridges. . .they might still have boiling oil in the cafeteria fryer. Unless that's too much trans-fat for the current era.
"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
Also, what about tasers? You gotta get close true enough but somebody hiding in a closet could Zap the purp when he least expects.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.