Town votes to ban "Assault Rifles"

centermass556centermass556 Senior MemberPosts: 3,466 Senior Member

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/town-votes-to-ban-assault-rifles-fine-violators-dollar1000-a-day/ar-AAvtO8J?ocid=ientp

So, beginning June 13, banned assault weapons in Deerfield will include semiautomatic rifles with a fixed magazine and a capacity to hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition, shotguns with revolving cylinders, and conversion kits from which assault weapons can be assembled. And those are just a few of the firearm varieties banned. The list is long and includes all the following models or duplicates thereof: AK, AKM, AKS, AK-47, AK-74, ARM, MAK90, Misr, NHM 90, NHM 91, SA 85, SA 93, VEPR, AR-10, AR-15, Bushmaster XM15, Armalite M15, Olympic Arms PCR, AR70, Calico Liberty, Dragunov SVD Sniper Rifle, Dragunov SVU, Fabrique NationalFN/FAL, FN/LAR, FNC, Hi-Point Carbine, HK-91, Kel-Tec Sub Rifle, SAR-8, Sturm, Ruger Mini-14, and more.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,288 Senior Member
    edited April 5 #2
    Chicago suburb. Might as well be Commiefornia, same mindset.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,209 Senior Member
    When these folks retire they move to Florida and screw up the place.
    Perhaps we should put the NG on the border!!
    I assume a court case will result from this?? 

    Useful Idiots
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 1,979 Senior Member
    And they know what you own how ? None of us thought this might happen did we ?
    At a grand a day I wonder how they want you to prove you no longer have them in that town.
    Just another plot to steal money from residents there.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    Old Ron said:
    And they know what you own how ? None of us thought this might happen did we ?
    At a grand a day I wonder how they want you to prove you no longer have them in that town.
    Just another plot to steal money from residents there.
    In Illinois you have a Firearms Owner Identification Card (or FOID Card) if you want to own a firearm.....of course the Government would NEVER use that information to seize firearms from law abiding citizens....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 1,979 Senior Member
    And people always ask why would anyone want a un registered gun ?
    Why is a unregistered gun costing more money ?
    Every day we see more & more reasons why !
    Running up the prices on rounds & reloading supply s didn't work so now little tin gods in city s can go nuts with new ordinances...........We fought for this type of treatment ?.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,553 Senior Member
    Time for them to start digging holes in the ground.
    I HAVE HATED COMMUNISTS EVEN BEFORE THEY CHANGED THEIR NAME TO LIBERALS AND PROGRESSIVES
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    This is why state preemption laws are crucial....no municipality can enact ordinances/laws stricter than existing state laws.....but then this is Illinois.

    When I first moved to Kansas, there were a few towns/cities that had some stupid local firearms ordinances...like Topeka KS for instance that had a local law that made carrying a magazine (not a firearm) in your vehicle or on your person resulted in a carrying a concealed weapons charge....with every round in the magazine resulting in a separate charge.
    The state preemption law put a stop to that kind of nonsense....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,092 Senior Member

    Does the FOID identify the firearms someone owns, or just that said person owns one or more firearms?

    My question is what will the town do about those who already have firearms that meet the banned list criteria?  Will they just hope that everyone voluntarily complies and turn in their guns, or go door to door and take guns from law abiding citizens.

    I see a court challenge in the making.

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    It would not surprise me to see them do the door to door thing....it would also not surprise me to have one or more residents take exception to the process and proceed to water the tree of liberty....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 417 Member
    Hence my “full confiscation” thread a few weeks ago. Told ya.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,288 Senior Member
    Chicago. Might as well be Commiefornia, same mindset.

    Why is this still in the editor after I posted it?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Chicago. Might as well be Commiefornia, same mindset.

    Why is this still in the editor after I posted it?
    Because the editor thing hates you.....
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,288 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    This is why state preemption laws are crucial....no municipality can enact ordinances/laws stricter than existing state laws.....but then this is Illinois.

    When I first moved to Kansas, there were a few towns/cities that had some stupid local firearms ordinances...like Topeka KS for instance that had a local law that made carrying a magazine (not a firearm) in your vehicle or on your person resulted in a carrying a concealed weapons charge....with every round in the magazine resulting in a separate charge.
    The state preemption law put a stop to that kind of nonsense....
    There's nothing worse or more corrupt than a chicken**** local government or agency. 2X if its a planning/building dept.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    Carry a 25 if it makes you feel good, but do not ever load it. If you load it, you may shoot it. If you shoot it, you may hit somebody, and if you hit somebody – and he finds out about it – he may be very angry with you. --Jeff Cooper
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,888 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    It would not surprise me to see them do the door to door thing....it would also not surprise me to have one or more residents take exception to the process and proceed to water the tree of liberty....
    It would surprise me.  Most will not resist.
    Wielding the Hammer of Thor first requires you to lift and carry the Hammer of Thor. - Bigslug
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    Wikipedia has some interesting content about this little town.

    The whole place sounds like
    an HOA dystopian Reich run riot. Only surprise is, they haven't banned red trash cans too.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,249 Senior Member
     Colorado is not immune, well it’s kind of Colorado it’s boulder. 
    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/01/boulder-assault-weapons-ban/
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    Boulder,
    Where farting in public is a class b misdemeanor.🚨
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,249 Senior Member
    Where walking a dog on a city street is illegal! (Pearl street) yup look it up. The nice officer “let” my wife and I remove the dogs and not get the summons..... she would have soiled herself if she knew I was carrying😉
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • woodczechwoodczech New Member Posts: 2 New Member

    Does the FOID identify the firearms someone owns, or just that said person owns one or more firearms?


    FOID only allows one to go buy firearms and/or ammo.  It in no way indicates whether the person had actually done so.  I know people who have a FOID but never bought anything.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,024 Senior Member
    edited April 6 #21
    Old Ron said:
    And they know what you own how ? None of us thought this might happen did we ?
    At a grand a day I wonder how they want you to prove you no longer have them in that town.
    Just another plot to steal money from residents there.

    What I'm talking about here is NOT a foid. I Guess you have to show the foid before you can buy firearms, but what I'm suggesting here is not specific to firearms. It's merely for anything that requires a background check. It would merely be proof that you have had a back ground check that happens to be permissible and necessary for firearm  purchases.
    That's coming Old Ron, with more background checks. It's like I've been saying and nobody comments. When they make all gun transactions have a mandatory background check, they will attach it to a 4473, which will be the paper trail to all your guns. Now as things are, if they were to see you bought such and such gun and come to confiscate it you can beg off by saying, "Oh that gun, I sold that to so and so a long time back before he died." But when they close all the loops we will have bonafied Gun Registration. All they have to do is check around at gun shops for 4473s and see who bought an AR, then go get a warrant and bust you. That's the reason the NRA is totally against registration.

    Well guess what? If they get their way with these back ground checks which will close the gun show loop and make you fill out a 4473, we're screwed. The only way around it is if we lump all the background checks together in one Federal ID card. A card like that will mean that the back ground check has already been done, so no need to link private (Non Retail) gun transactions to a form 4473.

    The problem is, the reason the left wants every transaction to require a background check is because as the law is now, they can tie the back ground check to a form 4473, which IS a form of registration, when all firearm transactions require them. Then there's no way out, they gotcha boxed in. They will in time  be able to know exactly what you have. And if you try to say somebody stole them, all they're gonna do is ask where's the police report!
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,024 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
    Where walking a dog on a city street is illegal! (Pearl street) yup look it up. The nice officer “let” my wife and I remove the dogs and not get the summons..... she would have soiled herself if she knew I was carrying😉
    Sounds like it's time to move dude! Rover's got no rights.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,249 Senior Member
    snake284 said:
    Elk creek said:
    Where walking a dog on a city street is illegal! (Pearl street) yup look it up. The nice officer “let” my wife and I remove the dogs and not get the summons..... she would have soiled herself if she knew I was carrying😉
    Sounds like it's time to move dude! Rover's got no rights.
    I would never live in that liberal sespool! 
    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • TrueTone911TrueTone911 Senior Member Posts: 5,951 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    This is why state preemption laws are crucial....no municipality can enact ordinances/laws stricter than existing state laws.....but then this is Illinois.

    When I first moved to Kansas, there were a few towns/cities that had some stupid local firearms ordinances...like Topeka KS for instance that had a local law that made carrying a magazine (not a firearm) in your vehicle or on your person resulted in a carrying a concealed weapons charge....with every round in the magazine resulting in a separate charge.
    The state preemption law put a stop to that kind of nonsense....
    I think they are also trying to roll back the municipal preemption though.
    I refuse to join any club that would have me as a member.
    Groucho Marx
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,352 Senior Member
    snake284 said:
    Old Ron said:
    And they know what you own how ? None of us thought this might happen did we ?
    At a grand a day I wonder how they want you to prove you no longer have them in that town.
    Just another plot to steal money from residents there.

    What I'm talking about here is NOT a foid. I Guess you have to show the foid before you can buy firearms, but what I'm suggesting here is not specific to firearms. It's merely for anything that requires a background check. It would merely be proof that you have had a back ground check that happens to be permissible and necessary for firearm  purchases.
    That's coming Old Ron, with more background checks. It's like I've been saying and nobody comments. When they make all gun transactions have a mandatory background check, they will attach it to a 4473, which will be the paper trail to all your guns. Now as things are, if they were to see you bought such and such gun and come to confiscate it you can beg off by saying, "Oh that gun, I sold that to so and so a long time back before he died." But when they close all the loops we will have bonafied Gun Registration. All they have to do is check around at gun shops for 4473s and see who bought an AR, then go get a warrant and bust you. That's the reason the NRA is totally against registration.

    Well guess what? If they get their way with these back ground checks which will close the gun show loop and make you fill out a 4473, we're screwed. The only way around it is if we lump all the background checks together in one Federal ID card. A card like that will mean that the back ground check has already been done, so no need to link private (Non Retail) gun transactions to a form 4473.

    The problem is, the reason the left wants every transaction to require a background check is because as the law is now, they can tie the back ground check to a form 4473, which IS a form of registration, when all firearm transactions require them. Then there's no way out, they gotcha boxed in. They will in time  be able to know exactly what you have. And if you try to say somebody stole them, all they're gonna do is ask where's the police report!

    But! But! FFL dealers are required to destroy all ATF Form 4473s older than 90 days! Or was that just propaganda shoved up our....Sorry. Down our throats prior to them being required?
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    edited April 7 #26
    You are confused...FFL dealers are required to keep every 4473 forever...when the business closes, the "bound book(s)" are to be sent to BATF...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,352 Senior Member
    Elk creek said:
     Colorado is not immune, well it’s kind of Colorado it’s boulder. 
    https://www.denverpost.com/2018/04/01/boulder-assault-weapons-ban/

    Coffee spewed through the nose is hard to clean off of the monitor screen! The City Counsel Woman's statement did it.

    Councilwoman Jill Adler Grano proposed, and received support for, consideration of a ban.

    She called the proposal a “no-brainer.”

    I'm sure she has extensive first hand experience with that not rare enough medical condition.

    The "no-brainer's" in Multnomah County, Oregon (smallest county in area with by far the largest number of turds in their liberal cesspool) banned semi-auto "assault rifles" in the early 1980s just in time for the huge Expo-Center gun show in Portland. Not a semi-auto AR or AK to be found. Of course no stinking liberal would be caught dead at a (GASP!) gun show but I was hoping at least one would walk in. The Class 3 dealers had their usual Machine Pistols, Sub Machine Guns, actual Assault Rifles, and Machine guns (including Browning M-2s) displayed and for sale! A few days later the state squashed the county's blatant violation of the pre-emption law. 

  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 417 Member
    Jayhawker said:
    You are confused...FFL dealers are required to keep every 4473 forever...when the business closes, the "bound book(s)" are to be sent to BATF...
    We have to keep the 4473’s a minimum of 20 years and if we close, the A&D book and any 4473’s less than 20 years old go to the ATF.
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 417 Member
    Oh, and the A&D book is to be kept forever, unless of course the business is closed.
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,727 Senior Member
    My city has sued the state to be able to outlaw ARs. As it stands if they do, the govenor can relieve the mayor and all city officials that allow it and fine the 5000 bucks
    I already wrote a very polite letter to each involved and the governor 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    My city has sued the state to be able to outlaw ARs. As it stands if they do, the govenor can relieve the mayor and all city officials that allow it and fine the 5000 bucks
    I already wrote a very polite letter to each involved and the governor 
    I think I heard part of a report about this on the radio. I got the impression that the State was standing on legal granite, and the city was going to be pounding sand. Of course Im not a lawyer, and I did miss some of the report.
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