Pennsylvania school arms teachers with mini-bats..

JayhawkerJayhawker ModeratorPosts: 13,866 Senior Member
No kidding...500 of them..
Bats will be secured in the classrooms under lock and key....
It's absolutely terrifying that some people thought this was a good idea

https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/education/wp/2018/04/11/a-district-armed-its-teachers-with-baseball-bats-urging-them-to-fight-back-in-a-mass-shooting/?utm_term=.98c185f119df
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,686 Senior Member
    edited April 12 #2
    Ideally, if one was in a classroom, and only blunt instruments were available to defend oneself, a position next to the doorway with a bat is about your best bet, swing early and swing often. So, swing for the head or swing for the gun hand? Target sells youth sized alumninum bats, better grips on those.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,246 Senior Member
    Bats in the belfry???🎓💡
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,866 Senior Member
    These are those small souvenir bats.....
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,686 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    These are those small souvenir bats.....

    Choke up on the handle a bit, that's all they got, work with it some:)
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,718 Senior Member
    Bucket of rocks is a better idea
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 5,965 Senior Member
    Obviously you are going to be close. So get closer, use it one handed. Use your free hand to try and gain muzzle control. 

    Being this close swinging the bat is not going to very effective. Choke up and use the bat as a battering ram. 
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,246 Senior Member
    We can trust pilots, chefs, bus drivers, other motorists, doctors, dentists, optometrists, etc, and so on, but we cant trust a citizen with a gun. 


    And we're the one's with the fears and phobias.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,038 Senior Member
    "We want to change the culture in our district to incorporate best practices,” Hall said. “The little miniature bat was more of a symbolic gesture. … Unfortunately, it might come down to a situation where it’s one on one. It’s about educating people that you may need to find something in that immediate environment to protect yourself.”

    If they are actually teaching the teachers to fight back, i can't be against this. If it is a symbolic gesture and kind of a device used to help remember that anything can be a weapon so use one... so be it. I guess I would bludgeon someone with a fish wacker if a chair or desk wasn't available. But anyway, I think they are on the right track-- fight back!
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 5,834 Senior Member
    I'm more or less with Jerm on this. Hey, it beats hell out of "turn off the lights and hide in a corner".  Sure, it might be a baby step... but it's a step.  Frankly, I'm amazed that these folks are admitting having a weapon is a valuable thing while facing an attacker.  Remember, folks like this were recommending soiling oneself in order to avoid being raped not too long ago...
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,399 Senior Member
    Batty idy..................
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,028 Senior Member
    Did not someone post this suggestion on that thread that proposed new measures to protect schools.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,028 Senior Member
    Maybe they should provide the bucket of rocks to go with the bats
    I have a need for speed
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,647 Senior Member
    Jeff Cooper said the following years ago:

    "Bushido is all very well in its way, but it is no match for a .30-06"

    At least the Bushido code was usually accompanied with a sword.  Souvenir mini bats?   The ones that don't even have a third the mass of a police baton?  One per classroom?  Kept under lock and key?  Seriously?

    Truly, we already have an ample historical record of the results of charging into gunfire with hand weapons.  Apparently, these public educators haven't studied it.
    WWJMBD?

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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,286 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Truly, we already have an ample historical record of the results of charging into gunfire with hand weapons.  Apparently, these public educators haven't studied it.
    Yep, rarely works out well for the "chargees"
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,991 Senior Member
    When a school comes up with such a plan, it is obvious that they are grasping at straws, because they are being offered nothing sensible. In that circumstance, I say go for it, with whatever is available, and make a plan that might have some chance of working, if you happen to get lucky. I would want two bats - one to throw and one to swing, as I followed it in. I'd rather be remembered as a fool than a coward.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,551 Senior Member
    edited April 12 #17
    I might think it was a good idea if the bat were full sized, or maybe a soft-ball bat which is thicker and heavier at the top, but this is plain stupid. A sling-shot and a bag of ball-bearings would have been better.
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  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 5,965 Senior Member
    Is there a wood shop class left at all? Surely a wood shop teacher can figure out how to add a little gravity to those baby bats. 
    I am afraid we forget sometime that the basic and simple things brings us the most pleasure.
    Dad 5-31-13
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,593 Senior Member
    Bats are just silly. Train the kids in the science of archery, and have plenty of bows and broadhead arrows locked up in the classrooms and make a pincushion of any fool shooter that enters. Shooter dies in a hail of sharp pointy high velocity sticks, and the county/city is only out the price of burying the pincushioned pile of excrement. Win-win!
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,718 Senior Member

    Broward County school district officers voted not NO but heck no to armed teachers, even though several volunteered.

    No to armed security beyond the assigned resource officer.  But banning guns is a GO GO GO full speed ahead.

    This is the same county the last school shooting took place and they refuse to acknowledge any problem other than banning guns

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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,399 Senior Member
    FBI/Sheriff/School Board failed to do their jobs with that boy...........   
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,245 Senior Member
    I have my kid’s old t-ball ball in the umbrella stand in the foyer ... now it is not my only choice but against an armed person (or even possibly a knife) it would do nicely. Never take a bat to a gun fight and the school attacks everyone is worried about is with a gun ... 

    As to teachers ... I do not put much faith in most the average teacher of today being of the mindset to use a firearm. That being said if a teacher wants to arm themself and has the proper training more power to them. I just do not think arming teachers is a simple solution especially with some of the liberal bat guano crazy ones my son has had I’ve run into for some reason or other. 
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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,080 Senior Member
    Our SRO's were in uniform, with a full complement of belt-carried goodies- - - -Glock, Taser, mace, two pairs of cuffs and at least two spare magazines.  They also wore body armor.  I recall them interrupting a dope deal in the parking lot one morning, and I watched as they escorted the non-student pusher to their office to await pickup by regular city patrol unit.  The guy wanted to fight, even with his hands cuffed behind his back, but he was the clumsiest crook I've ever seen.  He managed to run face-first into a concrete block wall five times before they got to their destination.    
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,718 Senior Member
    Well, intentional or not, a dumb **** teacher in Parkland was fired for leaving a loaded gun in a public restroom in the school
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,038 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Well, intentional or not, a dumb **** teacher in Parkland was fired for leaving a loaded gun in a public restroom in the school
    In the school?
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,718 Senior Member
    Not at the school, of course the news made it sound like it was at the school. Rest room of nearby pier. 
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 9,991 Senior Member
    I suppose it varies by region, but I don't really see how a person can be a believer in concealed carry for the average citizen, and not be in favor of concealed carry for school teachers. The same arguments used against it do not vary that much from the standard arguments against concealed carry, in general. When someone makes a blanket statement against teachers carrying, it sounds just like what the anti-gunners say about anybody carrying a concealed weapon. Texas maintains a database showing what percentage of CHL holders are convicted of crimes, and the percentage number is a tiny fraction of 1%...much lower than that of police officers.

    I will. however, admit to some prejudice, since both of my daughters work at a local high school. They have all discussed it among themselves, and about half of the teachers, or more, are in favor of it. Personally, I believe that the knowledge that there are multiple unknown adults carrying weapons would have a chilling effect on potential school shooters.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 8,605 Senior Member
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,286 Senior Member
    edited April 13 #29
    Does he say, "pretty much effective" or "pretty much ineffective" at the end?
    I'm not fluent in mid-western

    I THINK he says ineffective right around the 1:02 mark, but someone more fluent might can understand him better

    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,253 Senior Member
    Diver43 said:
    Bucket of rocks is a better idea
    tube sock full of pennies is a better idea.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,253 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:


    Truly, we already have an ample historical record of the results of charging into gunfire with hand weapons.  Apparently, these public educators haven't studied it.

    All in the valley of Death  
      Rode the six hundred.  
    “Forward, the Light Brigade!  
    Charge for the guns!” he said:  
    Into the valley of Death  
      Rode the six hundred.
    I learned that poem in the 6th grade.  Seems that education has dropped a few points since then.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
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