Boy Scouts of America Changes to BSA to accommodate girls

bullsi1911bullsi1911 ModeratorPosts: 9,302 Senior Member
https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/02/boy-scouts-scouts-bsa-girls-joining-cub-scouts/572036002/

Those of us in the Cub Scouts that were against this last year predicted this would occur, but I am surprised how quickly it did.  

I can tell you this, the STRIDENT, PERSISTENT voices of the (100% women) that SAID wanted to bring their daughters into cub scouts and were the driving force to getting this done have NOT entered the daughters into Scouts.  We had several parents that were all behind changing the program (mostly because it would be EASIER on the PARENTS to take all the kids to one place.  Great lesson to teach the kids, you dweebs.), and not one of them has registered a new scout.  As a matter of fact, one of them is pulling the male scout out because they just don’t like the way the den is going, but won’t pitch in to lead or contribute.  

All told, if my son starts to lose interest in the Scouts... I’m sorry, lose interest in the BSA... then I ain’t pushing him to stay.  I’d rather just go camping and shooting with him alone anyway.
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  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 9,812 Senior Member
    Sad but true, but that is Scouting (people) in general, lots of Chiefs that want to be in charge and make suggestions and changes and few Braves to do the work.
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,968 Senior Member
    I'd pull him out . And then send a letter saying "**** you, we quit" to the HMFIC. 
    But I've been told I'm an asshole. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,211 Senior Member
    I can tell you this, the STRIDENT, PERSISTENT voices of the (100% women) that SAID wanted to bring their daughters into cub scouts and were the driving force to getting this done have NOT entered the daughters into Scouts.  

    People just seem to feel accomplished by forcing their will on others. In Pensacola, there was a big legal battle several years ago about a high school football team that took a knee on the field and said a prayer before the start of their games. Some woman filed a lawsuit against the school and the coach to get them to stop and she won so now they just do it in the locker room. She didn't even have kids at that school!
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 6,133 Senior Member
    I hate to see this.  I was a Scout leader for a lot of years, and have a son who is an Eagle Scout.  Lord Baden Powell is probably spinning in his grave.
    Jerry

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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,291 Senior Member
    Just more politics.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/11/18/girl-scouts-theres-no-need-let-girls-into-boy-scouts/877498001/

    Does that also mean the boys are allowed into the Girl Scouts?

    "Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of the facts and evidence" — John Adams
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,302 Senior Member
    Oddly enough, my wife sent a request to the Girl Scouts about that as a way to provide a counterpoint to NOT going dual gender on Cub Scouts.  And this was the reply:

    "Thank you for writing with your question. No, Girl Scouts of the USA has been an all-girl organization since its inception in 1912, with no plans to change who can participate.

    Research shows that girls benefit most from a program designed specifically for them and delivered in an all-girl setting.

    Boys have unique needs and interests as well, which are best addressed by an organization structured to meet their specific needs. "



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  • bellcatbellcat Senior Member Posts: 1,289 Senior Member
    Sad
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,709 Senior Member
    They should incorporate 'Boy' stuff into the GS if they CHOOSE to participate in 'Tom Boy' like stuff. Sorta like a boy taking Home EC in HS back in the day. Likewise, the BS should offer some activities for boys who wanna learn how to bake cookies and sew......depending on the request in an area. 

    Leave it alone and stop the Gender Benders from screwing up everything, already.

     
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,569 Senior Member
    edited May 3 #11
    A comment that will surprise exactly nobody here is that I think boys should be able to do so-called "girl stuff", and vice-versa without penalty or rancor. With that said, the Boy Scouts probably isn't the best place to do it for the simple reason that the number of kids interested in so-called "opposite sex activities" is quite small. Measurable for sure, but still quite small. You can't run an organization as large as the BSA and cater to kazillions of special interests, "opposite gender" or not.

    I think all boys should learn basic sewing, cooking, and laundry; and I think all girls should learn enough auto mechanics to be able to check/change their own oil and change a flat tire! And everybody should know how to drive a damn stick-shift! I'd say kids should learn this kind of stuff at home, but the number of PARENTS that can do these things is dropping rapidly...
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,968 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    A comment that will surprise exactly nobody here is that I think boys should be able to do so-called "girl stuff", and vice-versa without penalty or rancor. With that said, the Boy Scouts probably isn't the best place to do it for the simple reason that the number of kids interested in so-called "opposite sex activities" is quite small. Measurable for sure, but still quite small. You can't run an organization as large as the BSA and cater to kazillions of special interests, "opposite gender" or not.

    I think all boys should learn basic sewing, cooking, and laundry; and I think all girls should learn enough auto mechanics to be able to check/change their own oil and change a flat tire! And everybody should know how to drive a damn stick-shift! I'd say kids should learn this kind of stuff at home, but the number of PARENTS that can do these things is dropping rapidly...
    I agree mostly. 
    But. 
    Boy Scouts = boys. 
    Girl Scouts = girls. 
    Youre a girl and want to do boy things? Then lobby the Girl Scouts. Don't force your way into the Boy Scouts. And vice versa. 

    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,644 Senior Member
    cpj said:

    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    Like how to knap your own flints for an arrow or spear point?
    Overkill is underrated.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,569 Senior Member
    Yea, yea - spoken like typical automatic transmission only Americans! You guys are why I can't buy a decent car in this country!

    I wasn't particularly clear in the rest of that post though - yea, I agree. Boy Scouts for boys, and Girl Scouts for girls. There are plenty of co-ed organizations out there too if that's what you want/need.

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,968 Senior Member
    cpj said:

    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    Like how to knap your own flints for an arrow or spear point?
    Correct. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,990 Senior Member
    cpj said:

    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    Like how to knap your own flints for an arrow or spear point?
    I can knap flint to do that kind of thing. It isn't a HARD skill to learn, just takes persistence, and a lot of material to screw up on.

    That automatic transmission thing has even infiltrated the farm tractor sector. Manual transmissions are a LOT better for that area, though. You end up in ONE gear most of the time, so an automatic transmission is sort of stupid.
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,291 Senior Member
    edited May 3 #17
    That does it! I'm starting my own club:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ

    >:)
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  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,561 Senior Member
    Boy Scouts ... Girl scouts ... a pox on both their houses. No more popcorn or cookies for me. 
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,302 Senior Member
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
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  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,245 Senior Member
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 22,990 Senior Member
    Are they going to include a badge on Family Planning? Might be a good idea when they start having those coed camp outs for the teens in the Whatever Scouts of America.

    Seriously, the Left all inclusive crap is crap. Why don't they just cut to the chase and call them the Young Pioneers like the old USSR organization. That's what they're pushing with this politically correct garbage. They can even switch to the old uniforms of the Young Pioneers; they wouldn't have to change much to do that.


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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,569 Senior Member
    Heck, or just go with Hitlerjugend.

    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 7,879 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    Are they going to include a badge on Family Planning? Might be a good idea when they start having those coed camp outs for the teens in the Whatever Scouts of America.

    Seriously, the Left all inclusive crap is crap. Why don't they just cut to the chase and call them the Young Pioneers like the old USSR organization. That's what they're pushing with this politically correct garbage. They can even switch to the old uniforms of the Young Pioneers; they wouldn't have to change much to do that.


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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,485 Senior Member

    There is a dual gender scouting program - Explorer Scouts. It has been there for years.

    about 10 years ago I attempted to give back to the scout program and looked into being an ASL for a couple of Troops. I could see then the culture of BSA had changed. It seemed that Merit Badges and Rank were no longer earned, but rather they were given. Most of the leaders were not truly vested in the program. I just faded away keeping nostalgia for the program I knew growing up.

    But this is too far. When I get home, My Eagle certificate, badge, and neckerchief are being sent back to Arlington.

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  • roadkingroadking Senior Member Posts: 3,056 Senior Member
    SIGgal said:
    From the female perspective, this is stupid. The girls don’t want that at all. I don’t understand why politics have to be forced on the children..... they need to let them be children, not pawns or puppets. 
    Bolded...it's the Leaders who have son in Cub Scouts and daughter in Girl Scouts here...Cub Scouts is much larger and more active...at least here.
    Also, BSA enrollment needs a boost...i.e follow the money.

    Sad. I want our boys to get Eagle while it still means something, then sadder still, get out of it.
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  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,316 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    A comment that will surprise exactly nobody here is that I think boys should be able to do so-called "girl stuff", and vice-versa without penalty or rancor. With that said, the Boy Scouts probably isn't the best place to do it for the simple reason that the number of kids interested in so-called "opposite sex activities" is quite small. Measurable for sure, but still quite small. You can't run an organization as large as the BSA and cater to kazillions of special interests, "opposite gender" or not.

    I think all boys should learn basic sewing, cooking, and laundry; and I think all girls should learn enough auto mechanics to be able to check/change their own oil and change a flat tire! And everybody should know how to drive a damn stick-shift! I'd say kids should learn this kind of stuff at home, but the number of PARENTS that can do these things is dropping rapidly...
    That stuff is taught in BSA. It isnt girl stuff. Every man should know how to sew a button on. There is a cooking merit badge that includes meal prep and trips to the grocery store. You also MUST meal plan for camping trips unless you are in a trophy troop that lodge camps and the adults do all of the cooking.
    Yep, its hard work for the leaders to get the kids on board, but once you do, you can see where general Man skills develop into understanding.
    The reason you learn to build a fire is only partly so you can burn a hot dog. You HAVE to prepare, think ahead and plan. More so in adverse conditions. That is the skill in fire building.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • VarmintmistVarmintmist Senior Member Posts: 6,316 Senior Member
    cpj said:


    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    You teach your kid to drive a stick so they can get a better deal on their first used cars. A used stick is considerably less expensive than a used car of the exact same model and package. The one my daughter bought was more than 20% less with less miles than the same with a auto trans.
    And its bragging points for them. And as a guy who pays insurance on a fleet, the other kids wont be driving their cars.
    It's boring, and your lack of creativity knows no bounds.
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,968 Senior Member
    cpj said:


    As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 
    You teach your kid to drive a stick so they can get a better deal on their first used cars. A used stick is considerably less expensive than a used car of the exact same model and package. The one my daughter bought was more than 20% less with less miles than the same with a auto trans.
    And its bragging points for them. And as a guy who pays insurance on a fleet, the other kids wont be driving their cars.
    That's a valid point. We got lucky and found the story book "old man car" for my
    kids first wheels.  It was an auto, thankfully. 
    Teaching my youngest to drive a manual? She be ripping through gears like a NASCAR driver. 
    Teaching my oldest? She would burn through one clutch per month, and still need tinned driven every where. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,302 Senior Member
    You teach your daughters to drive a stick so that they are never stranded somewhere with a drunk dumbass and can’t leave because they don’t know how to drive his truck.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,291 Senior Member
    edited May 4 #30
    "Facts are stubborn things and whatever may be our wishes, our inclinations, or the dictates of our passions, they cannot alter the state of the facts and evidence" — John Adams
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 16,569 Senior Member
    That stuff is taught in BSA. It isn't girl stuff. Every man should know how to sew a button on. There is a cooking merit badge that includes meal prep and trips to the grocery store. You also MUST meal plan for camping trips unless you are in a trophy troop that lodge camps and the adults do all of the cooking.
    Yep, its hard work for the leaders to get the kids on board, but once you do, you can see where general Man skills develop into understanding.
    The reason you learn to build a fire is only partly so you can burn a hot dog. You HAVE to prepare, think ahead and plan. More so in adverse conditions. That is the skill in fire building.
    Yep.

    My experience with the BSA is limited. I was a cub scout back in the day, something happened, the program imploded and the pack broke up. There was no BSA program after that for 2 or 3 years.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    My Karma ran over your Dogma!
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