Boy Scouts of America Changes to BSA to accommodate girls

bullsi1911

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation-now/2018/05/02/boy-scouts-scouts-bsa-girls-joining-cub-scouts/572036002/

Those of us in the Cub Scouts that were against this last year predicted this would occur, but I am surprised how quickly it did.  

I can tell you this, the STRIDENT, PERSISTENT voices of the (100% women) that SAID wanted to bring their daughters into cub scouts and were the driving force to getting this done have NOT entered the daughters into Scouts.  We had several parents that were all behind changing the program (mostly because it would be EASIER on the PARENTS to take all the kids to one place.  Great lesson to teach the kids, you dweebs.), and not one of them has registered a new scout.  As a matter of fact, one of them is pulling the male scout out because they just don’t like the way the den is going, but won’t pitch in to lead or contribute.  

All told, if my son starts to lose interest in the Scouts... I’m sorry, lose interest in the BSA... then I ain’t pushing him to stay.  I’d rather just go camping and shooting with him alone anyway.

CHIRO1989

Sad but true, but that is Scouting (people) in general, lots of Chiefs that want to be in charge and make suggestions and changes and few Braves to do the work.

Fisheadgib

bullsi1911 said:

I can tell you this, the STRIDENT, PERSISTENT voices of the (100% women) that SAID wanted to bring their daughters into cub scouts and were the driving force to getting this done have NOT entered the daughters into Scouts.  

People just seem to feel accomplished by forcing their will on others. In Pensacola, there was a big legal battle several years ago about a high school football team that took a knee on the field and said a prayer before the start of their games. Some woman filed a lawsuit against the school and the coach to get them to stop and she won so now they just do it in the locker room. She didn't even have kids at that school!

JerryBobCo

I hate to see this.  I was a Scout leader for a lot of years, and have a son who is an Eagle Scout.  Lord Baden Powell is probably spinning in his grave.

breamfisher

http://babylonbee.com/news/bigoted-boy-scouts-welcome-girls-but-still-exclude-all-49247-other-genders/

Spk

Just more politics.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2017/11/18/girl-scouts-theres-no-need-let-girls-into-boy-scouts/877498001/

Does that also mean the boys are allowed into the Girl Scouts?

bullsi1911

Oddly enough, my wife sent a request to the Girl Scouts about that as a way to provide a counterpoint to NOT going dual gender on Cub Scouts.  And this was the reply:

"Thank you for writing with your question. No, Girl Scouts of the USA has been an all-girl organization since its inception in 1912, with no plans to change who can participate.

Research shows that girls benefit most from a program designed specifically for them and delivered in an all-girl setting.

Boys have unique needs and interests as well, which are best addressed by an organization structured to meet their specific needs. "

bellcat

Sad

Big Chief

They should incorporate 'Boy' stuff into the GS if they CHOOSE to participate in 'Tom Boy' like stuff. Sorta like a boy taking Home EC in HS back in the day. Likewise, the BS should offer some activities for boys who wanna learn how to bake cookies and sew......depending on the request in an area. 

Leave it alone and stop the Gender Benders from screwing up everything, already.

 

zorba

A comment that will surprise exactly nobody here is that I think boys should be able to do so-called "girl stuff", and vice-versa without penalty or rancor. With that said, the Boy Scouts probably isn't the best place to do it for the simple reason that the number of kids interested in so-called "opposite sex activities" is quite small. Measurable for sure, but still quite small. You can't run an organization as large as the BSA and cater to kazillions of special interests, "opposite gender" or not.

I think all boys should learn basic sewing, cooking, and laundry; and I think all girls should learn enough auto mechanics to be able to check/change their own oil and change a flat tire! And everybody should know how to drive a damn stick-shift! I'd say kids should learn this kind of stuff at home, but the number of PARENTS that can do these things is dropping rapidly...

breamfisher

cpj said:

As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 

Like how to knap your own flints for an arrow or spear point?

zorba

Yea, yea - spoken like typical automatic transmission only Americans! You guys are why I can't buy a decent car in this country!

I wasn't particularly clear in the rest of that post though - yea, I agree. Boy Scouts for boys, and Girl Scouts for girls. There are plenty of co-ed organizations out there too if that's what you want/need.

tennmike

breamfisher said:

cpj said:

As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 

Like how to knap your own flints for an arrow or spear point?

I can knap flint to do that kind of thing. It isn't a HARD skill to learn, just takes persistence, and a lot of material to screw up on.

That automatic transmission thing has even infiltrated the farm tractor sector. Manual transmissions are a LOT better for that area, though. You end up in ONE gear most of the time, so an automatic transmission is sort of stupid.

Spk

That does it! I'm starting my own club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ

horselips

Boy Scouts ... Girl scouts ... a pox on both their houses. No more popcorn or cookies for me. 

bullsi1911

Spk said:

That does it! I'm starting my own club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e35AQK014tI

NCFUBAR

tennmike

Are they going to include a badge on Family Planning? Might be a good idea when they start having those coed camp outs for the teens in the Whatever Scouts of America.

Seriously, the Left all inclusive crap is crap. Why don't they just cut to the chase and call them the Young Pioneers like the old USSR organization. That's what they're pushing with this politically correct garbage. They can even switch to the old uniforms of the Young Pioneers; they wouldn't have to change much to do that.

zorba

Heck, or just go with Hitlerjugend.

Diver43

tennmike said:

Are they going to include a badge on Family Planning? Might be a good idea when they start having those coed camp outs for the teens in the Whatever Scouts of America.

Seriously, the Left all inclusive crap is crap. Why don't they just cut to the chase and call them the Young Pioneers like the old USSR organization. That's what they're pushing with this politically correct garbage. They can even switch to the old uniforms of the Young Pioneers; they wouldn't have to change much to do that.

The young Mr Hogg has already started this

centermass556

There is a dual gender scouting program - Explorer Scouts. It has been there for years.

about 10 years ago I attempted to give back to the scout program and looked into being an ASL for a couple of Troops. I could see then the culture of BSA had changed. It seemed that Merit Badges and Rank were no longer earned, but rather they were given. Most of the leaders were not truly vested in the program. I just faded away keeping nostalgia for the program I knew growing up.

But this is too far. When I get home, My Eagle certificate, badge, and neckerchief are being sent back to Arlington.

roadking

SIGgal said:

From the female perspective, this is stupid. The girls don’t want that at all. I don’t understand why politics have to be forced on the children..... they need to let them be children, not pawns or puppets. 

Bolded...it's the Leaders who have son in Cub Scouts and daughter in Girl Scouts here...Cub Scouts is much larger and more active...at least here.
Also, BSA enrollment needs a boost...i.e follow the money.

Sad. I want our boys to get Eagle while it still means something, then sadder still, get out of it.

Varmintmist

zorba said:

A comment that will surprise exactly nobody here is that I think boys should be able to do so-called "girl stuff", and vice-versa without penalty or rancor. With that said, the Boy Scouts probably isn't the best place to do it for the simple reason that the number of kids interested in so-called "opposite sex activities" is quite small. Measurable for sure, but still quite small. You can't run an organization as large as the BSA and cater to kazillions of special interests, "opposite gender" or not.

I think all boys should learn basic sewing, cooking, and laundry; and I think all girls should learn enough auto mechanics to be able to check/change their own oil and change a flat tire! And everybody should know how to drive a damn stick-shift! I'd say kids should learn this kind of stuff at home, but the number of PARENTS that can do these things is dropping rapidly...

That stuff is taught in BSA. It isnt girl stuff. Every man should know how to sew a button on. There is a cooking merit badge that includes meal prep and trips to the grocery store. You also MUST meal plan for camping trips unless you are in a trophy troop that lodge camps and the adults do all of the cooking.
Yep, its hard work for the leaders to get the kids on board, but once you do, you can see where general Man skills develop into understanding.
The reason you learn to build a fire is only partly so you can burn a hot dog. You HAVE to prepare, think ahead and plan. More so in adverse conditions. That is the skill in fire building.

Varmintmist

cpj said:

As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 

You teach your kid to drive a stick so they can get a better deal on their first used cars. A used stick is considerably less expensive than a used car of the exact same model and package. The one my daughter bought was more than 20% less with less miles than the same with a auto trans.
And its bragging points for them. And as a guy who pays insurance on a fleet, the other kids wont be driving their cars.

bullsi1911

You teach your daughters to drive a stick so that they are never stranded somewhere with a drunk dumbass and can’t leave because they don’t know how to drive his truck.

Spk

bullsi1911 said:

Spk said:

That does it! I'm starting my own club:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wBIC8JTQMMQ

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=e35AQK014tI

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nptcR9qAqsU

zorba

Varmintmist said:

That stuff is taught in BSA. It isn't girl stuff. Every man should know how to sew a button on. There is a cooking merit badge that includes meal prep and trips to the grocery store. You also MUST meal plan for camping trips unless you are in a trophy troop that lodge camps and the adults do all of the cooking.
Yep, its hard work for the leaders to get the kids on board, but once you do, you can see where general Man skills develop into understanding.
The reason you learn to build a fire is only partly so you can burn a hot dog. You HAVE to prepare, think ahead and plan. More so in adverse conditions. That is the skill in fire building.

Yep.

My experience with the BSA is limited. I was a cub scout back in the day, something happened, the program imploded and the pack broke up. There was no BSA program after that for 2 or 3 years.

zorba

bullsi1911 said:

You teach your daughters to drive a stick so that they are never stranded somewhere with a drunk dumbass and can’t leave because they don’t know how to drive his truck.

There's that!

I've never understood the uniquely North American love affair with automatic transmissions. Like I told a new car dealer with whom I was having this argument: "So, you want me to pay $1,000 extra for it now, be bored to tears for 10 years, then sell it for $500 more than the manual model? That's a loss of $500, and I'd be BORED the whole time!"

I get frustrated with Americans insisting on nothing but what I term "luxury vehicles". Even if a car is available without all that overpriced crap, finding one is darn near impossible. If the car's an import, they probably don't even bother importing a base model as nobody here would buy one - witness my beloved MBZ with its auto ****, and power everything, even power SEATS which I detest.

Heck, most cars don't even need power brakes or steering, and I've driven trucks without either and gotten along just fine.

No wonder we're heading for self-driving cars...

jbp-ohio

cpj said:

Varmintmist said:

cpj said:

As far as learning to drive a stick? That's time better spent learning a useful skill. 

You teach your kid to drive a stick so they can get a better deal on their first used cars. A used stick is considerably less expensive than a used car of the exact same model and package. The one my daughter bought was more than 20% less with less miles than the same with a auto trans.
And its bragging points for them. And as a guy who pays insurance on a fleet, the other kids wont be driving their cars.

That's a valid point. We got lucky and found the story book "old man car" for my
kids first wheels.  It was an auto, thankfully. 
Teaching my youngest to drive a manual? She be ripping through gears like a NASCAR driver. 
Teaching my oldest? She would burn through one clutch per month, and still need tinned driven every where. 

I taught my wife to drive a stick. She only went through one clutch.

earlyagain

Had a girl friend years ago. One day her and her friend borrowed my old Dodge truck with the low granny/creeper first gear.👧oh I know how to drive a stick. I see the two young ladies bouncing down the road with my gear box whining like it's sick. I was not amused.😡

zorba

I've only ever lost one clutch - the '06 Toyota Matrix at about 120K. Why so low? The darn engine had ZERO bottom end...