New NRA President...

zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 19,592 Senior Member
... Oliver North.

Discuss.
-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,543 Senior Member
    I'm totally against it. Oh, wait....Marine Lt. Col... Ok. I'm okay with that. I'm really OK with that. Mike
    Decisions have consequences, not everything in life gets an automatic mulligan.
    KSU Firefighter
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,600 Senior Member
    I should probly keep this to myself to avoid controversy.

    I listened to Marion Hammer on the radio today. Part of her message was what I thought of as a pious critique of what she described as negligent parents being a big cause of gun violence. Maybe so, maybe not, I can't quantify that. I think the tired old message of vilifying the anti's is a dead end. All it does energize a minority base to no real long lasting purpose. It's my opinion that near the end of Charlton Heston's time, the NRA metastasized from a citizens gun rights lobby to a manufacturers gun rights lobby. If we want citizens rights we need more citizens that desire those rights, not an orchestrated culture war alienating citizens. I'd like to see Mr North make some changes. I'd like hear more logical illustration of how relinquishing individual rights won't have the desired outcome, as opposed to preaching a dogmatic and devisive disparagement of some spectral portion of society. I might renew my membership if I had confidence in citizens rights being lobbyied for.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,927 Senior Member
    I feel a new direction needed to be taken, we shall see. 
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    Well, There is one thing for certain. COL North is a stand up guy and is not going to roll over when the going gets tough. He took a huge hit instead of rolling over on the CIA and the Reagan Administration.
    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    We know he will definitely take one for the team!
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,728 Senior Member
    I have never heard of him doing anything before for gun rights or if he is a shooter, a strict constitutionalist, or anything.

    is there any background with him and the RKBA?
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member

    I was mistaken, I thought he was a Full Bird before he was dragged through the mud.

    He is a founder of the Freedom Alliance.

    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,147 Senior Member
    .......................I might renew my membership if I had confidence in citizens rights being lobbyied for.
    They ARE suing the Florida Rick Scott administration for signing their new anti-gun law.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,592 Senior Member
    That's all well and good - but they need to be doing something about Commiefornia, New Yawk, and New Joisey. Forida is low hanging fruit, they need to chop down the entire tree!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    North offers at least the experience of having to deal with political BS of DC ... all be it from the Regan era. He might also be one who would not follow all of LaPierre’s stuff but I thought Pete Brownell might as well but I think Brownell is just to nice and easy going. North could be a nice change and shot of adrenaline to get the next round of fighting for gun owners in the right direction. 
    “The further a society drifts from truth ... the more it will hate those who speak it."
    - George Orwell
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,728 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #12
    admittedly, I know hardly nothing about Lt. Col. North.  However, I do not think it is good optics to have an NRA president that was indicted, and had to cut an immunity deal when the NRA is being accused of putting guns in the hands of criminals.

    However, it is weird that the day after one of the people that supplied guns to Iran becomes NRA President, Trump pulls out of the Iranian nuclear deal.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    I think Ollie North performs the missions assigned to him with the best of his abilities. Anyone who listened to him during the Iran-Contra hearings should know that he is very capable, and a patriot. He was the cut-out for the higher-ups, and kept the faith. I suspect, but don't know to a certainty, that he is a Constitutional warrior, 2A included.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    admittedly, I know hardly nothing about Lt. Col. North.  However, I do not think it is good optics to have an NRA president that was indicted, and had to cut an immunity deal when the NRA is being accused of putting guns in the hands of criminals.

    However, it is weird that the day after one of the people that supplied guns to Iran becomes NRA President, Trump pulls out of the Iranian nuclear deal.
    ALL charges against him for the Iran/Contra thing were vacated and reversed, and the charges dismissed in 1991, as they should have been to start with. He took the hit rather than refuse to roll over on the others involved. He has both character and integrity, and is a good choice, IMHO. Highly decorated VN Vet, and founder of the Freedom Alliance like Centermass already said. I think he's a good choice and will fight for what's right for the NRA and the 2nd Amendment issues.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,278 Senior Member
    So does that mean Trump doesn't like him cause he prefers people who don't get caught or shot down?
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    I'm totally against it. Oh, wait....Marine Lt. Col... Ok. I'm okay with that. I'm really OK with that. Mike
    WOW! Thought you were losin' it for a minute there...
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,851 Senior Member
    admittedly, I know hardly nothing about Lt. Col. North.  However, I do not think it is good optics to have an NRA president that was indicted, and had to cut an immunity deal when the NRA is being accused of putting guns in the hands of criminals.

    However, it is weird that the day after one of the people that supplied guns to Iran becomes NRA President, Trump pulls out of the Iranian nuclear deal.
    That's got nothing to do with the price of tea in Hong Kong. Purely coincidence. Trump's wanted out of that stupid deal since before he got elected. It marked the height of Obummer's stupidity.

    As for the NRA, they've been friends with Olie forever. He's been to the NRA convention more than Wayne La Pierre.  He's a total patriot and anybody that's worth a poo sandwich wouldn't hold anything against him for Iran Contra.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,417 Senior Member
    He lost me when he published a completely false claim that the Navy was pressing charges against the Sailors in the recruiting station attack that fought back. Blatantly made up statement to stir up controversy. 
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member

    He lost me when he published a completely false claim that the Navy was pressing charges against the Sailors in the recruiting station attack that fought back. Blatantly made up statement to stir up controversy. 
    I that that was War Criminal West


    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,417 Senior Member

    He lost me when he published a completely false claim that the Navy was pressing charges against the Sailors in the recruiting station attack that fought back. Blatantly made up statement to stir up controversy. 
    I that that was War Criminal West


    Yep. My mistake. That's what I get for firing at the hip. Whoops. 

    Nothing to see here, move along...
    - I am a rifleman with a poorly chosen screen name. -
    "It's far easier to start out learning to be precise and then speeding up, than it is having never "mastered" the weapon, and trying to be precise." - Dan C
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,728 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #21
    tennmike said:
    admittedly, I know hardly nothing about Lt. Col. North.  However, I do not think it is good optics to have an NRA president that was indicted, and had to cut an immunity deal when the NRA is being accused of putting guns in the hands of criminals.

    However, it is weird that the day after one of the people that supplied guns to Iran becomes NRA President, Trump pulls out of the Iranian nuclear deal.
    ALL charges against him for the Iran/Contra thing were vacated and reversed, and the charges dismissed in 1991, as they should have been to start with. He took the hit rather than refuse to roll over on the others involved. He has both character and integrity, and is a good choice, IMHO. Highly decorated VN Vet, and founder of the Freedom Alliance like Centermass already said. I think he's a good choice and will fight for what's right for the NRA and the 2nd Amendment issues.
    Yup.  But it's not about the truth or what really happened.  It's about positioning and optics.

    http://fortune.com/2018/05/07/nra-oliver-north-president/

    Gun safety organizations like Everytown for Gun Safety and the Brady Campaign Against Gun Violence responded to the news about North’s election to the NRA’s presidency by decrying the organization and North’s past scandals.
    “For an organization so concerned with law and order, picking a new leader who admitted that he lied to Congress is a truly remarkable decision,” Brady co-president Avery Gardiner said in a statement. “Now, the gun lobby—which has enshrined concealed carry reciprocity as one of its absolute top priorities—will be led by a man who’s own concealed carry permit was revoked because he was ‘not of good character.'”
    It's exactly like I thought would happen- The majority of people only know North because of Iran-Contra.  So, the Antis (which, oddly enough, is almost a direct translation of 'Contra') are able to use the lack of knowledge of the masses to look like the NRA is a shady organization.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,922 Senior Member
    Was on Fox tonight. Says his new mission is 1,000,000 new members.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I support him, a good man and a good American.

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    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,147 Senior Member
    He lost me when he published a completely false claim that the Navy was pressing charges against the Sailors in the recruiting station attack that fought back. Blatantly made up statement to stir up controversy. 
    I that that was War Criminal West


    Are you talking about Col. Allen West? I thought he was a good guy, who had saved some of his platoons lives under fire.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member

    “For an organization so concerned with law and order, picking a new leader who admitted that he lied to Congress is a truly remarkable decision,” Brady co-president Avery Gardiner said in a statement. “Now, the gun lobby—which has enshrined concealed carry reciprocity as one of its absolute top priorities—will be led by a man who’s own concealed carry permit was revoked because he was ‘not of good character.'”
    It's exactly like I thought would happen- The majority of people only know North because of Iran-Contra.  So, the Antis (which, oddly enough, is almost a direct translation of 'Contra') are able to use the lack of knowledge of the masses to look like the NRA is a shady organization.
    The NRA should not be concerned about picking a president that is palatable to the LEFT, the Lamestream Media, and low info people. THEY would only be happy if someone cut from the same nasty cloth as Dianne Feinstein were named NRA President, and the Directors, too. Picking a leader for the NRA that pleases the enemy is not a good thing to do.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,743 Senior Member
    Missed this thread originally. I'll just say it would have been nice to pick someone who wasn't an 80 year old white guy. The NRA needs someone with a vision for the future, not a ghost of the past. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,728 Senior Member
    And to pick someone that did not support the original Assault Weapons ban
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    The 'perfect' is the enemy of the 'good'. Looking for and settling for no less than perfection in anything or anyone will leave you frustrated and empty handed.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,651 Senior Member
    Missed this thread originally. I'll just say it would have been nice to pick someone who wasn't an 80 year old white guy. The NRA needs someone with a vision for the future, not a ghost of the past. 
    I would agree, except that an NRA spokesman has to be a master at fending off the vicious character attacks of the Alinski - trained leftists. It takes about 40 years of heavy testing to find somebody with the guts and stamina to do that, day after day.

    If the NRA could find a sleazy ambulance chasing 40 yo lawyer from Brooklyn that had recently had a patriotic epiphany, say about 5 minutes ago, that might work best.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,215 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    The 'perfect' is the enemy of the 'good'. Looking for and settling for no less than perfection in anything or anyone will leave you frustrated and empty handed.
    Certainly. Maybe Jim Zumbo can be the next president after him.
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,508 Senior Member
    He lost me when he published a completely false claim that the Navy was pressing charges against the Sailors in the recruiting station attack that fought back. Blatantly made up statement to stir up controversy. 
    I that that was War Criminal West


    Are you talking about Col. Allen West? I thought he was a good guy, who had saved some of his platoons lives under fire.
    No, he ended up costing lives with his actions. The dude is a dirt bag and General Ordienero protected him. At face value his actions look like he was just trying to save his men and get actionable intel to save lives. But there wasn't a single drop of credible intel, anywhere, at any level, that suggested that there was a threat against him and his men. And he crossed a hard line with detainee treatment and ended up alienating two towns against the coalition, allowed insurgents to operate in the town, and got more Americans killed.
    Of course his story, and that of his lawyer, is that there was credible intel, his actions uncovered the plot, and he saved the day.
    There was enough evidence agains him at the Article 32 hearing to move to Court Martial. Gen O forced him to retire rather than face courts martial.


    "To have really lived, you must have almost died. To those who have fought for it, freedom has a flavor the protected will never know."
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