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  • TeachTeach Senior Member Posts: 18,428 Senior Member
    Here a few heroes protect a vast majority of sniveling cowards- - - - -something like 1/2 of one percent of America have the balls to put on a uniform and protect the rest of the country.   It used to be 3%, back when we came home and the hippies spit on us.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    I understand that guys. I'm thinking that maybe the Israeli populis might like to look forward to better circumstance.

    I certainty don't assume innocence of the Palestinians, but after hearing the informed views and experience of a former Israeli terrorist on the radio a couple years ago, I don't assume Israeli innocence either.
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    shush said:


    And for Israel.
    2) How do you like living in a militarized society where personal freedom is sacraficed for national security?


    With Daesh (ISIS), that is every western democracy.







     There's no compulsory military service or armed military public presence here. Nor is there supposed to be.


    I stand corrected, that should read "most" western democracy.

     

    The term "living in a militarized society" was used, not compulsory military service.

    (though some western democracy have that also)

    In the photo above of the young ladies?

     They are classified border police.

     

    "or armed military public presence here."

    And the Department of Homeland Security was created after terrorist attacks, to help fight the "War On Terror" at home.

     They could be taken by some countries to be a most formidable military body (A rose by any other name?) to have on your street corner.




  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #35
    ............ I'm thinking that maybe the Israeli populis might like to look forward to better circumstance.

    If the poor illegally displaced arabs, who call themselves palestinians, lay down their arms?  

    Normality would follow, for out there.


    If The Kingdom Of Israel lay down their arms?

    Holocene extinction would follow.



    earlyagain said:

    but after hearing the informed views and experience of a former Israeli terrorist on the radio a couple years ago

    That would be a downtrodden Zionist freedom fighter, please.






  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #36

    And if you are not too sure about this;

    http://avalon.law.yale.edu/20th_century/hamas.asp

     

    Hamas Covenant 1988

    The Covenant
    of the
    Islamic Resistance Movement

    18 August 1988

    In The Name Of The Most Merciful Allah


    ..........Israel will exist and will continue to exist until Islam will obliterate it, just as it obliterated others before it" (The Martyr, Imam Hassan al-Banna, of blessed memory).



    Just a thought;

    The spirits of its fighters meet with the spirits of all the fighters who have sacrificed their lives on the soil of Palestine, ever since it was conquered by the companions of the Prophet, Allah bless him and grant him salvation, and until this day.

    Conquered from whom?



    Clue in the Koran maybe?

    THE QUR'AN SAYS:

    "To Moses We [Allah] gave nine clear signs. Ask the Israelites how he [Moses] first appeared amongst them. Pharoah said to him: 'Moses, I can see that you are bewitched.' 'You know full well,' he [Moses] replied, 'that none but the Lord of the heavens and the earth has revealed these visible signs. Pharoah, you are doomed.'"

    "Pharoah sought to scare them [the Israelites] out of the land [of Israel]: but We [Allah] drowned him [Pharoah] together with all who were with him. Then We [Allah] said to the Israelites: 'Dwell in this land [the Land of Israel]. When the promise of the hereafter [End of Days] comes to be fulfilled, We [Allah] shall assemble you [the Israelites] all together [in the Land of Israel]."

    "We [Allah] have revealed the Qur'an with the truth, and with the truth it has come down. We have sent you [Muhammed] forth only to proclaim good news and to give warning."

    [Qur'an, "Night Journey," chapter 17:100-104]

    SHAYKH PROF. PALAZZI COMMENTS:

    God wanted to give Avraham a double blessing, through Ishmael and through Isaac, and ordered that Ishmael's descendents should live in the desert of Arabia and Isaac's in Canaan.

    The Qur'an recognizes the Land of Israel as the heritage of the Jews and it explains that, before the Last Judgment, Jews will return to dwell there. This prophecy has already been fulfilled.

     



    The Kingdom Of Israel?

    A gift from allah to the Jews, who would have thought.












  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #37
    And breath.

    A Lie Can Travel Halfway Around the World While the Truth Is Putting On Its Shoes.









  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    . Most Palestinians can't get a passport because they aren't actually citizens of any recognized nation


    After the slightest consideration.
    We have:

    Egypt, Jordan and the United Arab Emirates have indicated only (in May 2002) that the passports, along with valid visas or other necessary papers, would allow their holders to travel to their countries.[1]

    In October 2007, the Japanese Ministry of Justice announced that Japan would recognize Palestinian nationality with one official saying: "Given that the Palestinian Authority has improved itself to almost a full-fledged state and issues its own passports, we have decided to accept the Palestinian nationality". The decision followed a recommendation by a ruling party panel on nationality that Palestinians should no longer be treated as stateless.[7]


    alphasigmookie, feel free to comment.



  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    shush said:
    alphasigmookie, feel free to comment.

    I'm guessing that he's frantically compiling a series of charts and graphs in an attempt to spin and refute the actual facts that have been presented.


    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    shush said:
    alphasigmookie, feel free to comment.

    I'm guessing that he's frantically compiling a series of charts and graphs in an attempt to spin and refute the actual facts that have been presented.


    One awaits with breath abated.

  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Fisheadgib said:     I'm guessing that he's frantically compiling a series of charts and graphs..................
    Please sir, I found one.


     Countries that have recognized the State of Palestine, in green.
    Lots of places for them to go and visit, by the look of it.









  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Being American, I certainly wouldn't presume to ask anyone to lay down their arms.

    At some point the masses of everyday arab/Palestinian people are surely going to ask if there might not be a better future for their children the same as Ive suggested about Israel. I don't subscribe to the permanent indoctrination of entire race or religion. Human beings are smarter than that.
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,493 Senior Member
    Peace will come when the Arabs will love their children more than they hate us.  Golda Meir, former Israeli Prime Minister.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    shush said:
    Fisheadgib said:     I'm guessing that he's frantically compiling a series of charts and graphs..................
    Please sir, I found one.


     Countries that have recognized the State of Palestine, in green.
    Lots of places for them to go and visit, by the look of it.









    Considering how inaccurate virtually every statement that alpha made in this thread was/is, it makes me wonder if the data and information he compiles and presents in the performance of his job possesses the same level of accuracy.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,797 Senior Member
    That's a pretty lame argument, the USA isn't among the green countries and to the best of my recollection, not everyone in the US has a passport either. I'm not sure if there is a country that automatically issues ever citizen a passport. Mine expired a couple of years ago, holy crap, I'm trapped in my country!
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    If it's that easy, how about we air drop you into Gaza and exchange your US passport with a Palestinian one and take bets on how long it will take you to get back to the US. We can even throw in $50k in cash just to give you a fighting chance.
    As soon as you were discovered to be an American in the Gaza Strip you would be beaten near to death and then dragged behind a motorcycle by a rope around your feet, and then mutilated while the Palestinians celebrated and passed out candy. Your sympathies for a decidedly nation of terrorists speaks loudly.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #47
    shush said:
    Fisheadgib said:     I'm guessing that he's frantically compiling a series of charts and graphs..................
    Please sir, I found one.


     Countries that have recognized the State of Palestine, in green.
    Lots of places for them to go and visit, by the look of it.









    Considering how inaccurate virtually every statement that alpha made in this thread was/is, it makes me wonder if the data and information he compiles and presents in the performance of his job possesses the same level of accuracy.

    shush said:
    alphasigmookie   

    ......a bunch of Muslim terrorists. 

    The only true statement you made.
    If it's that easy, how about we air drop you into Gaza and exchange your US passport with a Palestinian one and take bets on how long it will take you to get back to the US. We can even throw in $50k in cash just to give you a fighting chance.

    For the moment I am still a citizen of the EU.


     And they like us because they get lots Euros off Brussels.






    And?

    So this is not truthful?

    . Most Palestinians can't get a passport because they aren't actually citizens of any recognized nation

    But the fact they live in a massively corrupt state may be more the point.


    In fact;

    Roughly 21% of Israel’s more than eight million citizens are Arabs. The vast majority of the Israeli Arabs - 81% - are Muslims. Arabs in Israel have equal voting rights; in fact, it is one of the few places in the Middle East where Arab women may vote. Arabs currently hold ten seats in the Knesset. Israeli Arabs have also held various government posts.

    Arabic, like Hebrew, is an official language in Israel. At the time of Israel’s founding, only one Arab high school was operating, today, there are hundreds of Arab schools. Most Arabs attend these schools.

    The sole legal distinction between Jewish and Arab citizens of Israel is that the latter are not required to serve in the Israeli army. This was to spare Arab citizens the need to take up arms against their brethren. Nevertheless, many Arabs have volunteered for military duty and the Druze and Circassian communities are subject to the draft.

     


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.









  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Alpha, I like you, you are a smart feller, but naive about some things IMHO.

    What worries me is folks with your mindset won't believe it could happen to them until it's too late..............like the Jews in the concentration/death camps and up until the last moment when the big doors were shut and Zyklon B started spewing from the fake shower heads...........they couldn't fathom people could do such horrific things.

    Same for many who think it won't happen to them and then realize it can and is when they are about to get their throats cut ear to ear after they are bound and on their knees with some Islamofacist standing over them.................. 


    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
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  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #49
    ................... they want their land, but not the people.
    We talking about the Arabs now?


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.


    Says the British man to the American. You guys have a bit of experience with the challenges of subjugating native populations...

    Do you really want to go................?

     But that is ok, I have no problem with speaking the truth and not lying to fit an agenda.









  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    ......Same for many who think it won't happen to them and then realize it can and is when they are about to get their throats cut ear to ear after they are bound and on their knees with some Islamofacist standing over them.................. 



    First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Socialist.

    Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

    Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—
    Because I was not a Jew.

    Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me.

    Niemöller
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    shush said:
    ................... they want their land, but not the people.
    We talking about the Arabs now?


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.


    Says the British man to the American. You guys have a bit of experience with the challenges of subjugating native populations...

    Do you really want to go................?

     But that is ok, I have no problem with speaking the truth and not lying to fit an agenda.









    Shush, he HAS to be talking about the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank. They have had the destruction and total annihilation of Israel and the Jews in their charter since before I was born, and it's still in there.

    And Alpha is obviously forgetting the Native Americans and the Philippine Islands, and Hawaii, and the U.S. involvement in some nasty things concerning them. He points at YOU with one finger and fails to see the three of HIS OWN OTHER FINGERS pointing back at him. And then there was that African slavery thing here, too. When you look at history, you will find very few clean hands.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #52
    tennmike said:
    shush said:
    ................... they want their land, but not the people.
    We talking about the Arabs now?


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.


    Says the British man to the American. You guys have a bit of experience with the challenges of subjugating native populations...

    Do you really want to go................?

     But that is ok, I have no problem with speaking the truth and not lying to fit an agenda.









    Shush, he HAS to be talking about the Arabs in Gaza and the West Bank. They have had the destruction and total annihilation of Israel and the Jews in their charter since before I was born, and it's still in there.

    And Alpha is obviously forgetting the Native Americans and the Philippine Islands, and Hawaii, and the U.S. involvement in some nasty things concerning them. He points at YOU with one finger and fails to see the three of HIS OWN OTHER FINGERS pointing back at him. And then there was that African slavery thing here, too. When you look at history, you will find very few clean hands.
    ....................... Shoot after 200+ years they still haven't even fully subjugated the Irish for gosh sakes!
    More lies.
    They have had their own country since 1921.



    alphasigmookie said:I will note that the stuff with slavery and native Americans started while we were still controlled by the British

    More lies.

    The Portuguese started the Atlantic slave trade, early 1600's






  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,670 Senior Member
    There's a lot of evidence that Hamas is controlling the gaza natives into these riots and other crap.

    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,916 Senior Member
    Alpha....you have a very hard time admitting you're wrong don't you?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • shushshush Senior Member Posts: 6,259 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #55
    Jayhawker said:
    Alpha....you have a very hard time admitting you're wrong don't you?
    “Silence is the best response to a (lying) fool.”
    I am off.

  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    HERE is the brutal truth that Alpha fails to acknowledge. Terrorists in training from the cradle.


      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member


    They could be better off living in and being Israeli.


    Says the British man to the American. You guys have a bit of experience with the challenges of subjugating native populations...

    Of course all that's moot because Israel doesn't want them, they want their land, but not the people.
    You seem to forget who the aggressors in the region have been since the 50s.
    "He only earns his freedom and his life Who takes them every day by storm."

    -- Johann Wolfgang von Goethe, German writer and politician
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,370 Senior Member
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Every time I see Palestinians protesting on the news I think of Democrats as non of them appears to have any jobs or occupations and all they do all day is protest, harass Jews, and throw rocks. What do they do for a living? How do they buy food? 
    A good question, and a big part of the problem. Israel basically treats the Palestinian territories as a giant open air prison, they blockade the import of pretty much everything in and out of there so it makes it virtually impossible to develop any sort of sustainable economy. Most Palestinians can't get a passport because they aren't actually citizens of any recognized nation including Israel. What industries did exist like fishing have largely been eliminated or severely restricted because of blockades or the land useful for valuable economic activity was confiscated and used to build settlements.

    So typical questions that follow from conservatives: Why don't they just leave?
    They can't! See notes above about not having passports and not being able to cross borders.  As we're seeing right now, even getting close to the border can result in getting shot by a sniper.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/07/31/gaza-borders_n_5630811.html

    Why don't they all have jobs, look how prosperous the Israelis are, why are they so poor? Again they live in an occupied police state without citizenship with limited ability to import raw materials or export goods produced. They also have to deal with Israel stepping in and taking any land that is actually useful/productive and building settlements. Add in the inability form a functional government with any power, collect taxes, build infrastructure, etc. and you have a recipe for poverty, anger, and frustration. If say the federal government stepped in and imposed the sorts of actions against say the state of Alabama as Israel has against the occupied territories you'd get a lot more than just throwing rocks and burning tires. When you give people basically no choices they're going to find any possible way to lash out.

    Some more reading about what it's like to be a Palestinian, as if anyone actually cares to see them as anything other than a bunch of Muslim terrorists.
    https://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry/things-palestinians-cant-do_us_586554d4e4b0eb58648895bc
    The Palestinians are basically what is left of the conglomeration of Arabs that have been attempting to annihilate Israel since 1948. They couldn't do it then, when Israel had nothing, and they failed in all of their other attempts, when armed and trained by the Soviet Union. If Israel had kept the land they conquered while defending their lives, the Palestinians would be living in Jordan or Egypt, or Syria, where they would still be treated like second rate citizens. The ones who assimilated in Israel live with the same basic rights as any other Israeli. If they don't cause trouble, they don't have trouble.

    The Palestinians of today are nothing but the pawns of Hamas and Hisbollah, financed by Iran, and a diminishing number of Arab radical organiztions who happily spend Palestinian lives very freely, for the propaganda value that they have with leftist Europeans and Americans, to fuel their already vigorous hatred of Jews.

    Those pallets of American cash that Obama gave to Iran can finance years of misery for the Palestinians, so you are barking up the wrong tree when you think you can demand sympathy for their plight, from people with logical minds. Sure, I hate to see any human being suffer, but anything that is done to help them is wasted, because they don't use it to better themselves - they use it to attack the people they hate, who happen to be our friends.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #60
    Arabs, a strange lot, indeed. 

    Yep, with CNN's/ABC's Christiane Amanpour (Iranian, born in London) and her ilk  showing the plight of the po lil Mohamed's and how bad Israel and the rest of the world treats them drumming up sympathy for them..........no wonder folks fall for the biased news presentations I've seen.  

    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    Then again, Obammy had Valerie Jarrett as a senior advisor born in Iran to American parents............not hard to see where her sympathies came from and influence on Dipsticks policies .
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
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