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I wish Hollyweird would make more westerns?

JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior MemberPosts: 7,933 Senior Member

Am I the only one?  Searching through movies on Netflix and Amazon produces damn few, and I really like them.

Maybe I should write my congressman.

Jerry

Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    A lot of good books that would make good movies including many nonfiction.
  • NCFUBARNCFUBAR Senior Member Posts: 4,324 Senior Member
    They’d just screw them up with the fancy stuff they put in all movies today. 
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    edited May 2018 #4
    They made some weird Westerns back in the 70s.................funny how societal changes/norms even filters into da movies...........  
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,689 Senior Member
    True....better leave that to producers that won't fill up the movie with their trendy socialist propaganda, or just leave the genre alone....would rather keep looking old ones with lots of cliches that newer movies full of PC rubbish and still period-incorrect over-performing guns brandished in tacti-cool ways.
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    I'd like to see more westerns, one thing i have noticed is there firearms are more " period correct " we will always have 6 shooters that shoot 20+ rounds, but watching a bad western is better than no western. Although i dont read westerns  I'd like to see more based on Louis L'amour's books, One of his books i have read is "Last Of The Breed" not a western but a great read, its the kind of book every few years i re-read it, They should make a movie of it with Wes Studi as the main character.

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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,962 Senior Member
    When Hollyweird makes westerns -- they're weird westerns! Like Cowboys vs. Aliens or A Million Ways to Die in the West or Wild, Wild West,.........etc.

    You're better off searching for independent film makers.

    On Netflix, you should be able to find movies like Wind River (2017), The Homesman (2014), The Salvation (2015), Meek's Cutoff (2011).

    These are all pretty good and worth a spin.

    These days when Hollyweird makes a western there has to be high technology/high-concept involved or they just don't think it'll appeal to a large enough audience ($$$). Even though films like The Revenant (2015) proved them wrong.

    Western film lovers have to make more noise on the internet.


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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,933 Senior Member
    Spk said:
    When Hollyweird makes westerns -- they're weird westerns! Like Cowboys vs. Aliens or A Million Ways to Die in the West or Wild, Wild West,.........etc.

    You're better off searching for independent film makers.

    On Netflix, you should be able to find movies like Wind River (2017), The Homesman (2014), The Salvation (2015), Meek's Cutoff (2011).

    These are all pretty good and worth a spin.

    These days when Hollyweird makes a western there has to be high technology/high-concept involved or they just don't think it'll appeal to a large enough audience ($$$). Even though films like The Revenant (2015) proved them wrong.

    Western film lovers have to make more noise on the internet.

    Not necessarily.  I watched one recently that was a recent release called "Hostiles".  It was a good movie.  The Wyatt Earp movies from a few years back were good, as well as "Open Range".  Hollywood can still make 'em, but just won't.

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,028 Senior Member
    Jerry, you've probably seen it, but if you haven't, "The Long Riders" is about as good as they come. Mike
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,933 Senior Member

    If you're referring to the Jesse James Northfield, Mn. raid, I've seen it.  That was released in 1980.

    If we're going to discuss classic westerns, though, it's a toss up between Red River and the Outlaw Jose Wales for me..

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Tom Selleck and Sam Elliott starred in a few decent attempts at bring good story to the screen.

    A little less shooting and a bit more acting could really make some gems. The Ox Bow Incident and The Ride Back come to mind for great dramatic performances. Marlin Brando and James Cagney and Burt Lancaster gave some great acting to a few what are now obscure westerns.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    When Clint Eastwood finishes going 'around the bend,' there won't be any movie-makers left that can make a good western. Sure, there are some left who could, but who would finance them? Even now, you see so many labels at the front credits of every movie that it takes five minutes to list them all. The people who write the descriptions of the old movies in the info guide are openly sneering at the simple plots, without regard for the context of the times they made in. Everything is political to Hollyweird.

    It's funny (and sad to me) that a young director could make a great 'B' grade movie for a hundred grand, and do it in 10 days, back in the '40's and '50's. As long as they had a decent story to tell, they could skimp on the technicalities, use previously unknown actors, and use any daredevil stuntman to come up with a great 'opener' for the big budget movies that were much better than the wimpy crap they try to shove down our throats, theses days.

    I'd rather watch reruns of the 'failures' that the great old directors of the past did, than try to stomach the new ones. A great example of how to take all of the proper elements of a good movie and make it fail is one on Dish PPV right now - "Hostiles." It has good actors and a decent story line, filmed at a good location and it still fails, because the director and writers have no understanding of how to do drama that appeals to the masses. It is just a sequence of pretty good scenes that don't blend with each other enough to make a decent movie. It makes a Randolph Scott "B" movie from the 1950's look like a masterpiece.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    Burt Lancaster made some of the great 'sleeper' movies. They were small movies, fairly low budget, with lots of unknown character actors that had good careers afterwards, plus some very good old 'has-beens). "Ulzana's Raid" was a very good, informative Apache movie that showed a lot of flair for history. It was based on an old Army scout named Arch McIntosh, who was Al Sieber's contemporary. "Valdez is Coming" was good. "Lawman" was a very good depiction of how lawmen probably acted, lots of realism, but still with enough heroic stuff to make the star look good. "The Unforgiven" was a really good portrayal of life on the prairie in the 1870's (not to be confused with Clint Eastwood's movie, "Unforgiven," which was also good, in a more modern sense).

  • DanChamberlainDanChamberlain Senior Member Posts: 3,395 Senior Member
    I know a couple of titles that would make great westerns....  :D
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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,265 Senior Member
    My fall back on westerns is Deadwood......That show changed everything I grew up thinking about the old west. 
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,916 Senior Member
    The Tom Selleck version of Monty Walsh is my idea of a Western...along with Crossfire Trail and Last Stand at Saber River....and of course Lonesome Dove...
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  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,962 Senior Member

    Not necessarily.  I watched one recently that was a recent release called "Hostiles".  It was a good movie.  The Wyatt Earp movies from a few years back were good, as well as "Open Range".  Hollywood can still make 'em, but just won't.

    The movie Hostiles was produced by,

    • Waypoint Entertainment
    • Le Grisbi Productions
    • Bloom Media
    These are non Hollyweird companies. For example Waypoint Entertainment is an LLC out of Nevada.
    https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hostiles_(film)

    The Wyatt Earp movie (1994) was produced by,

    • Kasdan Pictures
    • Tig Productions

    Lawrence Kasdan is a writer/director/producer who has done a truckload of stuff for Hollyweird but he's his own boss. Maybe, there's hope afterall.

    Open Range distributed by Touchstone is a Hollyweird production from 2003. I just haven't seen too many closer to 2018.

    I consider Clint Eastwood and Malpaso Productions as probably our best hope in Hollywierd (Burbank, California). But remember, Unforgiven was done in 1992, What about 2018?

    Anything recent? That's the trend that concerns me.
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  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    I was a fan of the new Magnificent seven. I thought they picked good actors for it. I also thought Open Range was a good movie. Kevin can play a good cowboy. I read somewhere once that Robert Duvall was a real life Caballero, he owns a ranch in Argentina(?) he actively works. 

    I really didn't care much for the True grit remake. I don't know why. 

    I want to see Eastwood's son do a Western. I think there a few other young actors out there that could play a good cowboy too. 

    But I swear, if they remake the movie I named from and screw it up, You will read about me in the paper....



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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,916 Senior Member


    I want to see Eastwood's son do a Western. I think there a few other young actors out there that could play a good cowboy too. 





    Scott Eastwood was in a Western called Diablo....not bad but not a Western epic either...
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member

    But I swear, if they remake the movie I named from and screw it up, You will read about me in the paper....



    Ever see Pale Rider.
    Remarkably similar plot.
  • centermass556centermass556 Senior Member Posts: 3,534 Senior Member
    A lot of westerns do...However, Shane is taken from the Johnson County Wars in Wyoming.
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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,484 Senior Member
    3:10 to Yuma was decent and made in the last 20 years.  Silverado also.  I think they mostly think they need to make movies for the masses, including women or nerds (star wars).
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  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,251 Senior Member
    I liked Hostiles a lot. . .except for the fact that the cavalry troopers were carrying belts of .45-70, and the only rifle I saw in that entire movie that MIGHT have been a .45-70 was the '86 Winchester that a non-cavalryman was carrying.


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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,933 Senior Member
    BAMAAK said:
    3:10 to Yuma was decent and made in the last 20 years.  Silverado also.  I think they mostly think they need to make movies for the masses, including women or nerds (star wars).

    I watched the old Van Heflin, Glenn Ford version of this.  Quite frankly, I was a tad disappointed.  I need to watch the remake and see if it is better.
    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    BAMAAK said:
    3:10 to Yuma was decent and made in the last 20 years.  Silverado also.  I think they mostly think they need to make movies for the masses, including women or nerds (star wars).

    I watched the old Van Heflin, Glenn Ford version of this.  Quite frankly, I was a tad disappointed.  I need to watch the remake and see if it is better.
    One thing in the 3:10 to Yuma movie that made me giggle was a scene where the train was going into a tunnel. There were Jersey blocks (Concrete lane dividers) in the train tunnel. I don't think they used those back in the time the movie represents.
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  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Senior Member Posts: 7,933 Senior Member

    I watched the remake of 3:10 to Yuma today.  It starred Russel Crowe as the bad guy, and Christian Bale as the struggling rancher who signs up to take the Crowe character to the train.   The plot is basically the same as the 1957 version, but there's a lot of differences between the two.  And, the ending of both are a bit hard to swallow, especially the remake.

    All in all, though, it was a decent flick.

    Jerry

    Gun control laws make about as much sense as taking ex-lax to cure a cough.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    I'm watching Angle and the Bad Man this week. It's a little heavy on the corn syrup, but I guess I like em' like that.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,158 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    They make the kind of movies that sell the most tickets. And it
    aint westerns. 
    With Netflix,  Hulu, and Amazon originals..... don't need to sell tickets .....

    And what movie would be cheaper than s Western?

    Tom Selleck should be making a Western every year







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  • GilaGila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member
    Make a western huh?  Like the Lone Ranger...
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,748 Senior Member
    Im watching Night Passage starring James Stuart and Audie Murphy. Beautiful scenery, shot here in Colorado. None of it looks like it was shot wide angle. Shame, lost opportunity.
  • LMLarsenLMLarsen Senior Member Posts: 8,337 Senior Member
    “Appaloosa” was good, along with “Open Range”.  “Angry Eight” was bizarre.  But the worst movie I’ve seen in the last 30 years was “The Quick and the Dead” with everybody from Hackman to DiCrapio!
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