Russia vows consequences after Norway invites more U.S. Marines

sgtrock21

I have served with U.S. Marines. They are ****. I have also served with a Russian Airborn Brigade in the former Yugoslavia. They were also ****. Our rapid reaction force were Turks. Mostest ****! If the Russians are afraid of 370 additional U.S. Marines they are no longer a wanna be world power.  

sgtrock21

Stupid auto censor!!! Bad A*** Bad A*** Bad A***!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

NN

I am glad you explained what you meant       

BAMAAK

When you said marines, I thought you meant DumbA**

Smile Ned just kidding.

tennmike

Russia has fallen off the news cycle viz the "Russian election collusion by Trump' so they gotta gripe about something to get some air time!

Linefinder

Been there. I'm betting there are 340 US Marines who don't want to be there any more than the Russians want them there. Mike

Spk

What are the odds that a small percentage of those marines going over are from MARSOC?

tennmike

Linefinder said:

Been there. I'm betting there are 340 US Marines who don't want to be there any more than the Russians want them there. Mike

A sailor's prospective on Norway is different, I guess. One of my FAVORITE port calls was in Norway. Good beer, better food, and beautiful women!

Linefinder

It is different. You got to go back to the ship whenever you wanted. Us, OTOH, didn't. Where we were, no beer, no women, and C-Rats every meal. At least we got 3 a day. About all I remember of Norway was that it was cold and damp even in early September. Just proves the adage..."Location...Location...Location". Now that I think about it, I have no idea at all where I was in Norway. They flew us by chopper from the ship, and we returned the same way three days later. And we did absolutely nothing those 3 day. I mean nothing except play Boy Scouts camping. (An aside...the Marines will teach you how to survive in the boonies..the BSA will teach you how to do so in relative comfort.)

Old Ron

Most in BSA can read .......Marines not so much.   lol

Linefinder

Okay...look at it from our perspective...the Navy says, "We'll launch you from 2 miles out, and the amphibs will get you to the beach....Uhoh....tide's out....sorry....we're only a quarter -mile from the beach, though". The Air Force says "There'll be nothing left alive on that ridge after we're through with it", then proceed to overshoot said ridge by a half mile because "our airframes aren't designed for that steep of an "Angle of Attack". Then the Army says...."Call us when you're done...We'll send the MP's and gather your prisoners....if there are any, please save some....intelligence, you know". So...I guess for a Marine reading is a marginal skill, but, I have heard that the USN Academy has in recent years become, only jokingly, the USMC Academy.

tennmike

Mike, my Dad was a Marine, so I had incentive to NOT join the Marines. I knew quite a few who had served in the Navy my Dad's age, and their stories convinced me that the Navy was the way to go. Too bad that when I joined the Navy was trying to transition from draftees, nitwits escaping jail time, other misfits, and into an all volunteer force. And the introduction of WAVEs into MOSs that stopped up my advancement and career path permanently.

That part about landings is why it makes a lot of sense to have Navy and Marine Naval Aviators do the bombing and softening up of any hard targets before landings. It's a KNOWN FACT that the Navy will take care of their own, and knowing that the Marines are landing they will do anything they can to knock the enemy sideways. Angle of attack? Whatever it takes to put the hurt on that patch of dirt!  That's THEIR guys down there! They freakin' land on a moving flight deck! They're crazy to start with!

sgtrock21

Spk said:

What are the odds that a small percentage of those marines going over are from MARSOC?

If 10% of the 700 are MARSOC the Russians should be afraid.

sgtrock21

Linefinder said:

Okay...look at it from our perspective...the Navy says, "We'll launch you from 2 miles out, and the amphibs will get you to the beach....Uhoh....tide's out....sorry....we're only a quarter -mile from the beach, though". The Air Force says "There'll be nothing left alive on that ridge after we're through with it", then proceed to overshoot said ridge by a half mile because "our airframes aren't designed for that steep of an "Angle of Attack". Then the Army says...."Call us when you're done...We'll send the MP's and gather your prisoners....if there are any, please save some....intelligence, you know". So...I guess for a Marine reading is a marginal skill, but, I have heard that the USN Academy has in recent years become, only jokingly, the USMC Academy.

I think I have already voiced a complaint about Navy being allowed to cheat during the annual Army/Navy football game. About half their team are Marines.

sgtrock21

tennmike said:

Mike, my Dad was a Marine, so I had incentive to NOT join the Marines. I knew quite a few who had served in the Navy my Dad's age, and their stories convinced me that the Navy was the way to go. Too bad that when I joined the Navy was trying to transition from draftees, nitwits escaping jail time, other misfits, and into an all volunteer force. And the introduction of WAVEs into MOSs that stopped up my advancement and career path permanently.

That part about landings is why it makes a lot of sense to have Navy and Marine Naval Aviators do the bombing and softening up of any hard targets before landings. It's a KNOWN FACT that the Navy will take care of their own, and knowing that the Marines are landing they will do anything they can to knock the enemy sideways. Angle of attack? Whatever it takes to put the hurt on that patch of dirt!  That's THEIR guys down there! They freakin' land on a moving flight deck! They're crazy to start with!

Regarding Navy WAVEs. It was the same with Army WACs. I was talking to a female SP4 (E-4) when she mentioned SSG (E-6) so and so. I said that I heard she was promoted to SFC (E-7). The SP4 informed me that she couldn't be promoted until after she had her baby. I said "Perfect"! Another promotion requirement I can't possibly Meet"!!!

tennmike

sgtrock21 said:

Regarding Navy WAVEs. It was the same with Army WACs. I was talking to a female SP4 (E-4) when she mentioned SSG (E-6) so and so. I said that I heard she was promoted to SFC (E-7). The SP4 informed me that she couldn't be promoted until after she had her baby. I said "Perfect"! Another promotion requirement I can't possibly Meet"!!!

Back in the 70s WAVEs were non deployable on ships so that stopped up all the shore billets and the sea/shore rotation. ONLY ships there were WAVEs on was the the hospital ship I remember still being in service, and small boats like harbor tugs and the like that didn't deploy. They were on the seagoing tugs that pulled target ships, but they left in the morning and returned at night.
WAVEs ALSO got extra points on advancement tests just for being female. If you were a male and ACED THE TEST their extra points ensured that a good many of them kept you from advancing.

Linefinder

Just a story...there weren't many women Marines when I was in, but I served with a woman Lt. Col . on Okinawa. We both caught the same R&R flight to the Philippines. Per SOP, upon our return we stood in formation with our luggage in front so the drug dogs could take a sniff. That dog almost took her stuff apart, and I'm thinking this is going to be interesting. I've never seen an officer busted for ganja. Nope...a carefully wrapped half eaten cheeseburger. Granted, we weren't paid much in those days, but a light colonel saving a half eaten third world cheeseburger in her luggage??? I've thought about that for almost 40 years and still can't get my head around it. Mike

NN

tennmike said:

! They freakin' land on a moving flight deck! They're crazy to start with! 

Hey, I liked the take off and landings provided I remembered to lock my
harness on landing.

I mean they gave Ya 3 squares a day and mid rats if Ya wanted them.

And the ice cream machine always worked.

Spk

Linefinder said:

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Granted, we weren't paid much in those days, but a light colonel saving a half eaten third world cheeseburger in her luggage??? I've thought about that for almost 40 years and still can't get my head around it. Mike

The third world burger was just there to confuse the drug sniffing dog!

BAMAAK

tennmike said:

Mike, my Dad was a Marine, so I had incentive to NOT join the Marines. I knew quite a few who had served in the Navy my Dad's age, and their stories convinced me that the Navy was the way to go. Too bad that when I joined the Navy was trying to transition from draftees, nitwits escaping jail time, other misfits, and into an all volunteer force. And the introduction of WAVEs into MOSs that stopped up my advancement and career path permanently.

That part about landings is why it makes a lot of sense to have Navy and Marine Naval Aviators do the bombing and softening up of any hard targets before landings. It's a KNOWN FACT that the Navy will take care of their own, and knowing that the Marines are landing they will do anything they can to knock the enemy sideways. Angle of attack? Whatever it takes to put the hurt on that patch of dirt!  That's THEIR guys down there! They freakin' land on a moving flight deck! They're crazy to start with!

Yea cause apparently NAVY seals wont leave one of their own behind.  But an AF SF guy, they can leave him on a ridge and still get medals for it.

tennmike

BAMAAK said:

Yea cause apparently NAVY seals wont leave one of their own behind.  But an AF SF guy, they can leave him on a ridge and still get medals for it.

If you read the WHOLE story behind that fiasco, you'll find that it was a fuster cluck from the get go from the inadequate planning to the inept execution by the leader of that mess.. And if you think I'd defend the leader the leader of that mess, you'd be wrong about that. That they were awarded medals for that action is suspicious given what happened. I had no say in the medals handed out, so your argument is with the board that awarded those medals and citations. Directing your anger at me is an exercise in futility.

centermass556

Spk said:

What are the odds that a small percentage of those marines going over are from MARSOC?

About zero. That's not the way it is done. The Marines going will be a company and its logistics train from one of the Marine rotational forces, MEU, or similar. You don't send SOC dudes as a show of force presence. 

Raiders are not SEALs that have to have their presence known. If they are in Norway, it won't be reported, they are there under a different title, and they are there for winter training. Just like most all SOC dudes, they pop up around the globe at different venues for training so they can stay well rounded. 

Linefinder

Gotta agree. No MARSOC in Norway unless Western Europe becomes a "hotter" area of operations than the Middle East. I kind of doubt that ever becoming the case. The USMC doesn't have a lot of SO guys, and they don't lend them out easily. Mike

CHIRO1989

centermass556 said:

Spk said:

What are the odds that a small percentage of those marines going over are from MARSOC?

About zero. That's not the way it is done. The Marines going will be a company and its logistics train from one of the Marine rotational forces, MEU, or similar. You don't send SOC dudes as a show of force presence. 

Raiders are not SEALs that have to have their presence known. If they are in Norway, it won't be reported, they are there under a different title, and they are there for winter training. Just like most all SOC dudes, they pop up around the globe at different venues for training so they can stay well rounded. 

There are Norwegians training at Camp Ripley this month, this is an annual or biannual thing that has been going on for awhile. Nothing directed at you CM, just a comment on the deployment.

centermass556

CHIRO1989 said:

centermass556 said:

Spk said:

What are the odds that a small percentage of those marines going over are from MARSOC?

About zero. That's not the way it is done. The Marines going will be a company and its logistics train from one of the Marine rotational forces, MEU, or similar. You don't send SOC dudes as a show of force presence. 

Raiders are not SEALs that have to have their presence known. If they are in Norway, it won't be reported, they are there under a different title, and they are there for winter training. Just like most all SOC dudes, they pop up around the globe at different venues for training so they can stay well rounded. 

There are Norwegians training at Camp Ripley this month, this is an annual or biannual thing that has been going on for awhile. Nothing directed at you CM, just a comment on the deployment.

We have agreements around the world with different countries for training. And, when we go to someone else's back yard to train, more often than not they will come to our back yard for their own experience. At one time, we had Russians training at Quantico. You would actually be surprised at the number of Foreigners on Bragg, training at the different compounds.