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I'm very curious about how many here are following the FBI scandal

bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
Since nobody but Fox News and conservative talk radio are reporting on it, I'm curious about how many people are following the Justice Department scandal that has been unraveling for over a year.

At this point, the House of Representatives has given the de facto head of the Department of Justice seven days to comply with the oversight committee subpoenas for pertinent documents relating to their involvement in the pro-Clinton, anti-Trump factions within the FBI, before they vote on contempt of Congress charges, and possibly impeachment proceedings against Rod Rosenstein.

There is a mountain of circumstantial evidence that suggests a rigged investigation into the Hilary Clinton server case, featuring the same cast of characters involved in the Trump collusion and obstruction of justice investigation that was secretly conducted against Trump by the FBI, before Rod Rosenstein appointed ex-FBI director Mueller to investigate it. At the time, we were told that Trumps tweets about Comey's firing was the reason for a special prosecutor, but that has evolved considerably, since the firing was recommended by both Rod Rosenstein (Comey's immediate superior) and the Office of the Inspector General of the Department of Justice.

At this point, the document(s) outlining the scope and purpose of the investigation, and the predicate evidence for authorizing it have still not been made available to the public.The Department of Justice cites the thousands of documents that have been released as proof that they are complying, but many of the key documents are either being withheld for 'security' reasons, or are heavily redacted. It should also be noted that many of the documents that the DOJ claimed contained classified information have been shown not to contain classified information, but rather information embarassing to the DOJ or FBI. Some of these surfaced in the OIG report.

In addition to the political bias issue in both the Cinton server and Trump collusion investigations, there is also circumstantial evidence that the DOJ and FBI submitted evidence to the FISA court for search warrants, that consisted mainly of an unsubstantiated opposition research dossier, prepared for the DNC and paid for by the Hilary Clinton campaign, by a former British intelligence agent and various Russian entities. In addition to that, all efforts at oversight by Congress, relating to the unmasking of private citizens names who turned up in various intercepted communications with suspects being investigated, have been thwarted by the DOJ.

At this point, with only a trickle of information reaching the public, the top two FBI people, the Director and Assistant Director, have been fired, for cause, based on recommendations from the Inspector General. Another high up FBI manager has been demoted, and two of the main counter-intelligence investigators on both investigations have been demoted for extreme political bias. There are believed to be others that the media does not yet know about, and several more that appeared in the OIG report, but have not yet had their names released. One assumes that they are still being investigated.

With none of the mainstream media covering this story, I'm just curious as to how many people are still completely unaware of the story.


  • Old RonOld Ron Posts: 4,471 Senior Member
    I hear breaking stories on it almost every day here. The real story will be what they do about what they have found.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    The only way to get the full amount of information about FBI corruption is to watch Hannity on FOX every night. It's part of his regular programming. Some of it is repetitive, but usually there is some new information every night.
  • Diver43Diver43 Posts: 12,746 Senior Member
    I have said it before. The roots of this corruption run so deep and broad, most of any honest investigation will be classified just like the Kennedy report remains. Washington would crumble if all was known, both sides of the aisle.  A few low levels will be punished, most will silently go away and the key players will continue business as usual.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    I don't trust Fox news or conservative talk radio. I have partaken of said in the past. Having said that I strongly suspect the scandalous DOJ has been in need of unraveling for a lot longer than the last election. I also suspect that Trumps blatant rhetoric during the campaign was a gauntlet to the face of arrogant bureaucrats that are in great need of a big boot in the ass. Congress is supposed to over see these power hungry bureaucracies so let the unraveling continue. At some point the rest of our arrogant power hungry media will have to report it or loose credibility, at least to the public that can see past the we'll tell you what to think fog.
  • JerryBobCoJerryBobCo Posts: 8,227 Senior Member

    Bisley, you've pretty much summed it up the way I understand it.  Most of what I know is from watching Fox.   Hannity is all over it, but I question just how fair he is.  He makes no qualms about his positions on the matter.

    The other Fox talking heads are more balanced.  Brett Baier is probably the fairest of the lot, and I get a different view from him.

    But, there are a lot of unanswered questions from the DOJ.  I think that Trump should order Rosenstein to comply immediately with Congress' demands and quit stonewalling.   Even if they're not hiding something, it gives the appearance of tremendous impropriety.

    Just my humble opinion, of course.


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  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    Well, Brett Baier is a straight news guy, as is Bill Hemmer. Hannity is just another breathless commentator, but I have to give him credit on this subject. He has had some good guests, and on the rare occasions that he actually lets them talk, they have been providing information that is turning out to be true.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Posts: 7,927 Senior Member
    bisley said:
    Well, Brett Baier is a straight news guy, as is Bill Hemmer. Hannity is just another breathless commentator, but I have to give him credit on this subject. He has had some good guests, and on the rare occasions that he actually lets them talk, they have been providing information that is turning out to be true.
    That is why I watch his show. His guests are very credible, in spite of Hannity's "breathless" commentary.
  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I've watched the hearings on Fox News for the simple reason that they play the whole hearing mostly uninterrupted. The other TV news stations sort of avoid the juicy parts. I watch Brett Baier and Bill Hemmer segments because they rarely resort to editorial content. And Hannity is a commentator, but he does keep digging up new info and has guests that fill in some of the blanks, and insert other pertinent info.

    There's some rotten Limburger cheese in the top echelon of the FBI and the Congress is getting tired of the stonewalling. July 5th is the deadline for providing the documents before the crap hits the rotary oscillator. I got a kick out of Trey Gowdy and another Congressman going ballistic on the FBI duo at the hearing. They didn't like getting put on the hot seat and acted like three year olds caught with their grubby paws in the cookie jar.

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  • terminator012terminator012 Posts: 3,930 Senior Member
    I follow it daily. For what I don't know. Nothing will ever come from it no matter what Hannity and others do.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Posts: 6,637 Senior Member
    I've only got so many giveacraps, and can't seem to work one up for this.  I SHOULD care, and, I probably WOULD care if I thought the end result would be convictions for those involved.  Since the end result is likely to be a strongly worded letter of reprimand, or maybe a forced early retirement - meaning the "retiree" will start "consulting" for lobbyists that much sooner - I just don't have a crap to give.  If some big names start being perp walked in front of cameras, I'll probably be able to find a crap to give. 
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  • tennmiketennmike Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    I’d like for some folks to make it part of their platform for mid term elections to see the reaction of the voters to the issue.
    I've watched a lot of politicians make big promises to clean up the government over the years. They get elected, the 'lobbyist lettuce' starts flowing into their pockets, and they end up being just as corrupt, if not more corrupt, than the ones they once vowed to remove from power. Nothing is going to happen to anyone in this mess. The last two people in the FBI that were to testify against Hillary went to Boot Hill the day before they were to give testimony. All the rest get their 'golden parachute' and work for lobbyists or others in government for keeping their cake holes shut. Nothing is going to happen except a lot of smoke and mirrors, and then back to business as usual.
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  • horselipshorselips Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    The FBI hasn't been the same since the passing of J. Edgar Hoover (and Efrem Zimbalist Jr.). The Donald needs to search diligently for another smart, tough-as-nails, hard-boiled, dedicated, crime-busting transvestite and make him the next Director-For-Life.

    (Zorba - keep your cellphone charged! That call from the White House may come at any time.) 
  • bisleybisley Posts: 10,815 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #14
    The FBI needs a career cop running it, with an apolitical Assistant AG acting as a DA would, deciding when the evidence merits a grand jury hearing. Very simple - the cops investigate and the prosecutor prosecutes, based on that evidence. The Attorney General, should we ever have one again, can decide who needs to be fired, and whether criminal charges are called for.

    The counter-intelligence division should stay the hell out of criminal investigations involving US citizens, altogether, unless directed otherwise by the AG, and then only with careful oversight by the criminal division.

  • Big ChiefBig Chief Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I wish they would put someone like Kalstrom(sp?) in charge. I think he was a former deputy director of the FBI. He seems like a straight shooter and has common sense from what I've seen of him on TV.  
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