Need your thoughts on a .458 Win. Mag. M-1 Garand

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,409 Senior Member
    edited July 2 #32
    If you're talking about American Bison it's probably a fairy story...If you're talking about Cape Buffalo...the boss of their horns have turned bullets launched by rifles significantly more powerful than a .45-70. 
    As to robust nature of a bison skull.....when we had an injured critter at the refuge, we usually put them down with an AR
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  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 28,144 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    If you're talking about American Bison it's probably a fairy story...If you're talking about Cape Buffalo...the boss of their horns have turned bullets launched by rifles significantly more powerful than a .45-70. 
    As to robust nature of a bison skull.....when we had an injured critter at the refuge, we usually put them down with an AR
    My buddy was made fun off when he showed up at a paid group bison hunt with his ooooooold and well used Winchester 70 loaded with military surplus 30-06 FMJs.  Everyone else was carrying .338s and up loaded with premium bullets.  They stitched their bisons with multiple shots to bring them down.  When it was his turn, he quietly put one right through the brain and across the skull and the bull buckled his knees and crumpled DRT...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,374 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    If you're talking about American Bison it's probably a fairy story...If you're talking about Cape Buffalo...the boss of their horns have turned bullets launched by rifles significantly more powerful than a .45-70. 
    As to robust nature of a bison skull.....when we had an injured critter at the refuge, we usually put them down with an AR
    My buddy was made fun off when he showed up at a paid group bison hunt with his ooooooold and well used Winchester 70 loaded with military surplus 30-06 FMJs.  Everyone else was carrying .338s and up loaded with premium bullets.  They stitched their bisons with multiple shots to bring them down.  When it was his turn, he quietly put one right through the brain and across the skull and the bull buckled his knees and crumpled DRT...
    Oh hell yeah, that's w06hat I'm talkin' about. An .06 with a FMJ is going to penetrate.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,374 Senior Member
    Not me cpj, If they're talking Cape Buffalo, that's the toughest head of them all. I believe that if it isn't a good straight on hit it could very easlily bounce off a thick Cape Buffalo's head.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,116 Senior Member
    I would tend to think full bore loads from a .458 WM would chew it (Garand) and the shooter up over a period of time. But then, I know squat about the rifle. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,374 Senior Member
    edited July 3 #37
    Zee said:
    I would tend to think full bore loads from a .458 WM would chew it (Garand) and the shooter up over a period of time. But then, I know squat about the rifle. 
    Yeah I agree, I don't think it's the ideal platform for the round, more of a novelty. No way I'd go chasing dangerous game with it alone either. I'd want a damn good backup with a double rifle. If it's Semi Auto or Auto, it is subject to jam at some point when you least expect it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,748 Senior Member
    Well you can't hunt DG basically anywhere in the world except NA with a semi auto, so its a moot point regardless
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,748 Senior Member
    And I'd love to see the 45/70 load that can go through almost 10" of concrete like solid bone
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,748 Senior Member
    Plus,  you'd never purposely aim for the boss. Goal in a charge is to put it up the nose or when he drops his head right before impact,  behind the boss and into the neck/spine
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,116 Senior Member
    edited July 5 #41
    Well you can't hunt DG basically anywhere in the world except NA with a semi auto, so its a moot point regardless
    If you can hunt DG in NA with a semi-auto......it ain’t moot, is it?

    Africa ain’t the only game in town. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,409 Senior Member
    edited July 5 #42
    And I'd love to see the 45/70 load that can go through almost 10" of concrete like solid bone
    A few years back there was a guy that shot through a Cape Buffalo bull and killed a cow standing on the other side....using a Marlin Guide Gun in .45-70 with a 405 grain solid....complete penetration on the bull thetslug was found under the skin on the off side of the cow.....he made a Texas heart shot on the same bull and the slug was recovered in the critters brisket
    http://www.marlinowners.com/forum/45-70-govt/58039-45-70-marlin-cape-buffalo.html#/topics/58039
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,748 Senior Member
    Through the vitals yea i can see that.  But someone brought up the bullet bouncing off the horn boss

    Zee good point,  I was responding to snake saying he'd want to be backed up by a double.  Don't recall hearing about any Alaskan guides backing up with a DR, which only leaves Africa and Australia, where semi autos are verboten. Well, guess you might be able to take one to Hawaii,  not sure if they allow them or not,  you have to get police permission to bring a gun into the island. 
    Wambli Ska wrote: »
    Once again, please refrain from cutting short any baseless totally emotional arguments with facts. It leads to boring, completely objective conversations well beyond the comprehension ability of many.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 2,494 Senior Member
    As soon as a live in person demonstration of the rifle is witnessed, the debate ends and the admiration, even if its secret begins.😍
  • ilove22silove22s Senior Member Posts: 1,069 Senior Member
    way cool.

    if they did their homework on the receiver/barrel and its fine, then that would be a hoot to shoot.


    The ears never lie.

    - Don Burt
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 24,210 Senior Member
    As soon as a live in person demonstration of the rifle is witnessed, the debate ends and the admiration, even if its secret begins.😍
    Here ya go, Early!



    I may be a Deplorable, but at least I'm not a Liberal!!!



  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 2,494 Senior Member
    I wish I could watch it😞
  • ArmoredmanArmoredman Member Posts: 325 Member
    So he made several of these beasts? Gotta wonder what the price tag for one nowadays would be.
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