"Suspected" American NAZI with DoD security clearance!

sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior MemberPosts: 1,508 Senior Member

This type of total BS boils my blood! Left Wing Extremist Journalism without a clue. From my experience suspicion, conjecture, and here-say are not applicable in a security clearance investigation.  

ProPublica is an American nonprofit organization based in New York City. It describes itself as a nonprofit newsroom that produces investigative journalism in the public interest.

This is an excerpt from their own article: While the FBI neither confirms nor denies the existence of an investigation, our agents investigate activity which may constitute a federal crime or pose a threat to national security. Our focus is not on membership in particular groups but on criminal activity. "The FBI cannot initiate an investigation based solely on an individual’s race, ethnicity, national origin, religion, or the exercise of their First Amendment rights, and we remain committed to protecting those rights for all Americans.” Of course that must be the former FBI and DOJ but that is addressed in another thread. The "Investigative Journalists" in question would not know an investigation from a potato!

WARNING! This article is rather long and may result in a significant rise in blood pressure of the reader.

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/he-is-a-member-of-a-violent-white-supremacist-group-so-why-is-he-working-for-a-defense-contractor-with-a-security-clearance/ar-AAzC8t4?li=BBnb7Kz

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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,419 Senior Member
    When I first started working for DoD I worked with a gal who had been a Concentration Camp guard and a member of the Nazi party....we all had T/S clearances...
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,323 Senior Member
    On the surface, it seems to me that he is just as big a douchebag as the left's protesters. But it's a 1 way street nowadays. This behavior is accepted if your on the left but vilified if your on the right. 
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 24,251 Senior Member
    The writer seriously lost any credibility when the SPLC was used as a source. Anybody not a card carrying Socialist is a racist  Neo Nazi douchenozzle in their book. As long as no laws are broken regarding the safeguarding of protected material then there really aren't any grounds for firing one for exercising their 1st Amendment right of assembly, association, and being a racist/perceived racist.

    As far as the mess in Charlottesville, one side had a permit, and the counter protesters (left wing agitators) didn't. The cops failed MISERABLY in keeping the groups separated, and that was the recipe for the violence that played out. While those police batons are useful for scratching one's back, and maybe one's backside, that is not putting them to their best and intended purpose.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,508 Senior Member
    edited July 6 #5
    Jayhawker said:
    When I first started working for DoD I worked with a gal who had been a Concentration Camp guard and a member of the Nazi party....we all had T/S clearances...

    That is exactly my point. If your criminal record is clean you will (and rightfully so) pass a "secret clearance" background check. A top secret clearance may add financial plus interviews of work associates, friends, and family. Undocumented suspicions will not apply. I'm confident Werner Von Braun had a T/S or higher clearance.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,239 Senior Member
    I expect a surge of smears, before the FBI corruption scandal is settled. The latest is a sudden outpouring of former team members from Jim Jordan's Ohio State wrestling team, claiming (after 30 years) that he knew about the team doctor fondling wrestlers, and did nothing about it.

    Jim Jordan had the Assistant Attorney General (Rosenstein) bouncing in his chair, earlier in the week, during the House of Representatives public hearings, while scolding him for stonewalling the document demands concerning FBI political bias in both the Clinton and Trump investigations.
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,402 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 said:
    Jayhawker said:
    When I first started working for DoD I worked with a gal who had been a Concentration Camp guard and a member of the Nazi party....we all had T/S clearances...

    That is exactly my point. If your criminal record is clean you will (and rightfully so) pass a "secret clearance" background check. A top secret clearance may add financial plus interviews of work associates, friends, and family. Undocumented suspicions will not apply. I'm confident Werner Von Braun had a T/S or higher clearance.

    Aaron Alexis, who killed 12 and injured 3 at his workplace at the Washington Navy Yard had a secret clearance. Before he got his clearance, he had been cited 8 times for misconduct while in the Navy and after he separated from the Navy he had built an arrest record that spread from Fort Worth, Seattle, and Georgia. One of the charges was even a felony and yet he was still cleared for a secret clearance. He was even being treated for mental health issues while he worked at the Navy Yard and yet his clearance wasn't pulled.
     In contrast, when I got my secret clearance in the seventies they had actually interviewed some of my neighbors and former school teachers. In the late eighties while working for General Dynamics, I couldn't get a top secret clearance because my grandmother was alive and living in Hungary and you couldn't get a top secret clearance if you had any direct relatives living in a communist country. It sees a lot easier to get a clearance nowadays.
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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,164 Senior Member
    The left can spin anything we have done in our life. The best ting to do today is keep your head down.
    Things that were accepted in the past today is vilified. My granny felt that the KKK was a group of really good men. And they were on horses back then. She would tell stories of all the good things they did in the community.   Today she would have been branded .  side note: she didn't have a mean bone in her body! would help all people. She sent cookies & letters to the boys overseas fighting. They sent her pillow cases from all over the world ........I have some of those.      Judging people by there past is a fools game.

  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,657 Senior Member
    That's true. Soldiers were denied TS clearances when they married a West German and she had relatives in a WARSAW Pact country like East Germany/others.

    Heck, homosexuals denied too because they were considered 'Weak Sisters' who could easily be blackmailed.



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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,529 Senior Member
    DSS came by and read me Article 31------I just looked at him and chuckled thinking I won't
    have to be safe guarding all that classified materiel after all.

    Did not work out for me, I still got the clearance.
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  • sgtrock21sgtrock21 Senior Member Posts: 1,508 Senior Member
    sgtrock21 said:
    Jayhawker said:
    When I first started working for DoD I worked with a gal who had been a Concentration Camp guard and a member of the Nazi party....we all had T/S clearances...

    That is exactly my point. If your criminal record is clean you will (and rightfully so) pass a "secret clearance" background check. A top secret clearance may add financial plus interviews of work associates, friends, and family. Undocumented suspicions will not apply. I'm confident Werner Von Braun had a T/S or higher clearance.

    Aaron Alexis, who killed 12 and injured 3 at his workplace at the Washington Navy Yard had a secret clearance. Before he got his clearance, he had been cited 8 times for misconduct while in the Navy and after he separated from the Navy he had built an arrest record that spread from Fort Worth, Seattle, and Georgia. One of the charges was even a felony and yet he was still cleared for a secret clearance. He was even being treated for mental health issues while he worked at the Navy Yard and yet his clearance wasn't pulled.
     In contrast, when I got my secret clearance in the seventies they had actually interviewed some of my neighbors and former school teachers. In the late eighties while working for General Dynamics, I couldn't get a top secret clearance because my grandmother was alive and living in Hungary and you couldn't get a top secret clearance if you had any direct relatives living in a communist country. It sees a lot easier to get a clearance nowadays.
    Sometimes our Constitution can 'backfire' on us. My secret clearance background check in 1977 required no interviews of anyone. I had no records of being detained, questioned, or charged with anything which would not have been a factor as only a conviction would have been. Due Process. Innocent until proven guilty. One of my best soldiers was a Hungarian emigrant child (Peter Novac) who accompanied his refugee parents. They were naturalized in 5 years and he raised his hand, swore the oath as required and became one at the age of 18. He had many relatives in communist Hungary and a secret clearance.   

  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,657 Senior Member
    The background checks are much more stringent/in-depth for a Top Secret vs a Secret clearance. Much tighter requirements. And even within a TS level there are compartmentalized levels of access.........need to know and all that. 

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