Is the speed worth it?

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 19,332 Senior Member
I have 500 bullets of .224cal and 52gr HPFB design gifted to me. 

I have everything to handload for .223 Remington.

Hodgdon says I can push that bullet to 3,383 fps from a .223 Remington. 

It it also says I can push the same bullet from a .22-250 to 3,729 fps. 

I dont have a .22-250 or the loading material for said cartridge. 

Is it worth the expense of acquiring said material for 346 fps gain?

Goal?

Targets/Varmints/Deer
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,295 Senior Member
    Unless you're wanting some major distance, I don't think so
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,422 Senior Member
    If you build a 22-250, you're going to put a fast twist tube on it to shoot the heavies fast and far. So you'd be using the short and light bullets to have an excuse to build a hot rod that will be better served by other bullets. 

    Sounds good to me, go for it! haha
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  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,653 Senior Member
    No. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 1,261 Senior Member
    Targets and deer won't know the difference.

    Extra heat will be attending varmint shoots.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 9,516 Senior Member
    No. 
    Not too many problems you can't fix
    With a 1911 and a 30-06
  • Farm Boy DeuceFarm Boy Deuce Senior Member Posts: 5,965 Senior Member
    I thought we had already talked you into building a fast twist.22-250? 
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    I thought we had already talked you into building a fast twist.22-250? 
     I’ve obviously been standing on the fence. 

    Thats a a lot of cash for 350 fps. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 6,698 Senior Member
    But.....it's got a hyphen!!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 31,414 Senior Member
    Heck you go a bit farther and blow the .22-250 out to an Ackley Improved making it perform like a 220 Swift.

    Of course, bbl life when you push the lighter bullets out past 4000 (or even slower) fps in either and expense of more powder could be problematic.

    Depends what you want to do and what it's worth to you.




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  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,468 Senior Member
    edited July 6 #11
    As someone else stated not for those bullets in an application for "you"
    Can you see it with the 223
  • RaptortrapperRaptortrapper Posts: 73 Member
    edited July 6 #12
    Yes. Get it.  It's another gun to add to the collection!
    If you are thinking about buying any gun, you should probably just do it. 

    After all, women do it with shoes....
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  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 4,120 Senior Member
    If colony varmints are on the menu, the barrel life of a.22-250 will bite you in the butt sooner than later. I know this isn't what you asked, but...a .223 Rem will sling 40 grain V-maxes at around 3800 fps. A 600 yard pdog becomes no big deal, and you don't hear your barrel washing away with each shot fired.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    I don’t really want to take on a new loading endeavor. 

    I’ll probably see what I can do with those bullets from a .223 Rem. If I don’t like the speed or accuracy, I’ll continue playing with the thought of a .22-250. 

    I’ve about given up on the idea of a fast twist .22-250 as I can get similar results from a .243 Win and 87gr V-Max bullets. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    I would like to at least load 64gr bullets in a .22-250

    That would be problematic as most factory guns are 12/14” Twist. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,045 Senior Member
    Not necessarily. At those velocities, the bullets are stabilized with slower twists.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,647 Senior Member
    Like all the gearheads say, there's no replacement for displacement.

    My minimal experience with a loaner .22-250 in 1998 was EXCEEDINGLY positive.  The laser beam trajectory is very nice, and the accuracy of the loaner in question was other-worldly.  

    The thing to ponder - you're already operating on a bit of a higher plane when it comes to dealing with drop and wind drift.  The greater speed will gain you some terminal effect, but is it really going to make it easier for you to hit things to a degree that the shorter barrel life is worth it?
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,143 Senior Member
    I don't think the speed is worth it. Basically anything but long/windy shots and it's pretty much a wash.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    edited July 6 #19
    What's with all the negative input? You guys are supossed to be enablers here!
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  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,143 Senior Member
    edited July 6 #20
    Jayhawker said:
    What's with all the negative input? You guys are supossed to be enablers here!

    Meant to, but forgot to add....Do it anyway! If funds allow. 
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 17,295 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    What's with all the negative input? You guys are supossed to be enablers here!
    That may be, but, for me anyway, it needs to make at least some sort of sense.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 13,873 Senior Member
    .....and when has sense ever been part of the "another gun" equation?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • RaptortrapperRaptortrapper Posts: 73 Member
    Zee- buy the gun, and I'll buy everyone on this thread a beer that has posted to this point!

    How's that for enabling?? :D :D
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
     I don’t know if that is a new high, or a new low in enabling. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,045 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I would like to at least load 64gr bullets in a .22-250

    That would be problematic as most factory guns are 12/14” Twist. 
    Let me explain.... a bullet in a 22/250 with a 1:12 twist going 3729 feet per second also spins 3729 times during that second (223,740 RPM). A .223 with a 1:10 twist going 3383 feet per second will make 4059 spins in that second (243,540 RPM). It may be enough to stabilize the bullet.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    I’ve been reading where folks with 14” twist can’t shoot 60gr bullets but a 12” twist can. 

    I’d really rather use a 700 action for this as I have parts. But, Remington only makes a 14T barrel. 

    Id have to build. 

    Bleh!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • cpjcpj Senior Member Posts: 37,653 Senior Member
    Build a rifle and buy parts for a rifle that gains you a few feet that you already have in a 243? 
    Sounds even dumber when I type it. 
    "I'm here for the guns, hunting, and skirt wearing men."
    Zee
  • MichakavMichakav Senior Member Posts: 2,143 Senior Member
    edited July 6 #28
    Just build a fast .20 (.20 Tactical) for target/varmints. Although it has nothing to do with your post. There you go, you are enabled.... :D
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 26,264 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I have 500 bullets of .224cal and 52gr HPFB design gifted to me. 

    I have everything to handload for .223 Remington.

    Hodgdon says I can push that bullet to 3,383 fps from a .223 Remington. 

    It it also says I can push the same bullet from a .22-250 to 3,729 fps. 

    I dont have a .22-250 or the loading material for said cartridge. 

    Is it worth the expense of acquiring said material for 346 fps gain?

    Goal?

    Targets/Varmints/Deer
    I'm sorry if I missed this but, outside of looking for a reason to build a new gun around them, what are you going to be using these bullets for?  
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    Exactly. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 19,332 Senior Member
    I just put my new .223 Rem together this evening. 

    If it shoots half half as good as it looks......this thread is doomed. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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