Is this cool or what?

zorbazorba Senior MemberPosts: 19,602 Senior Member

-Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

"If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    Thanks zorba .......now I want one of those ......that has fun all over it !
    You could take one to the shoot next year !

  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    I vote cool
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,602 Senior Member
    Old Ron said:
    Thanks zorba .......now I want one of those ......that has fun all over it !
    You could bring one to the shoot next year !

    FIFY  - I bet somebody with skilz could make something like that a bit cheaper.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    Oh ya don't buy one build one ! Send Mike the plans & he will have it for you at the next shoot ........ he is really good at that stuff & works for next to nothing to boot. As long as it's not raining there lol
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Old Ron said:
    Oh ya don't buy one build one ! Send Mike the plans & he will have it for you at the next shoot ........ he is really good at that stuff & works for next to nothing to boot. As long as it's not raining there lol
    I've seen what happens to A500 steel targets at the shoot. I don't have a source for M1 Abrams armor plate to make the front REALLY bulletproof, and Jerry might not want a 3 foot deep trench dug to hide the air lines and electrical lines to the thing to protect them from the inevitable 'errant shot'. I also don't have a deuce and a half 6 by to pull it there and get it to the range, and associated HEAVY duty trailer with crane to load/offload it! :D
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,602 Senior Member
    So make it self propelled!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,849 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    I've seen what happens to A500 steel targets at the shoot.
    Yep
    Mine won't be coming back
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  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 1,496 Senior Member
    I wonder if you could make it with 6 targets and 12v DC powered?
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    See zorba ......he is already thinking about it !
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    I wonder if you could make it with 6 targets and 12v DC powered?
    To run the compressor and air solenoids you're gonna need a HUUUUUUUGE bank of batteries. Figure in another TON of weight to the thing. And A500 less than 1.5 inches thick is going to eventually get holed from high speed steel core FMJ bullets. Air cylinders, air solenoids, and batteries ain't cheap! And looking at the weight of the targets and stroke of cylinders required, a 10+ cfm compressor at 100 psi is gonna be a power hog.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #12
    Old Ron said:
    See zorba ......he is already thinking about it !
    The chances of me doing that are about the same as the chances of me making another .45-70 Smelly. NOT..................GONNA.................HAPPEN!  Hades will host the Winter Olympics first!

    Let's talk cost. A 2inch bore x 3 inch stroke spring return air cylinder is $100+ per cylinder. A decent quality air solenoid to actuate it is going to be around $50 each. You 'could' repurpose regular hydraulic cylinders, but you'd have to then spec out the return springs and have to up the air pressure to make them work. A battery bank big enough to run the required compressor would be AT LEAST $2K and wouldn't last more than three or four hours before discharge. And we haven't gotten into the cost of the R/C xmitter and xceiver and servos to actuate that high pressure air. Yee Haw! Money flying out the door!

    You could go with 12V electric solenoids as target reset actuators, but the size required and the duty cycle requirements would triple the cost over the air cylinders and solenoids, and battery life would suck as the solenoids of that size and power requirement in 12V are power hungry critters, as in a couple hundred amps to actuate. That 3 inch stroke comes at premium pricing.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,602 Senior Member
    Ferget batteries, that's what they make generators for! That big contraption in the video was either generator run or hydro-pneumatic. In any event there was a motor running.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    How about no hydraulics ? Could do it with a turning cam system run by an electric motor & generator. Two or three rows of targets that after shot would pop back up at different times. Fog machine flashing lights .....fun for day or night shoot.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,867 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #15
    My thought was something like a drag strip tree. You shoot your side to the other guy and he tries to shoot his to your side. Just have to stagger the plates a bit. 


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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    I made one like that .... they flip from side to side. First attempt I used to small of steel .... second set I used 3/8" ballistic & that holds up well. Painted one side white & the other red. Fun shooting.
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,731 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #17
    Old Ron said:
    I made one like that .... they flip from side to side. First attempt I used to small of steel .... second set I used 3/8" ballistic & that holds up well. Painted one side white & the other red. Fun shooting.
    Also made one a few years ago which we have stored at the place we go to cull goats.
    Its only used for .22's though.
    All up it only cost about $15 and is great for practising trigger control amongst other things.
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Ferget batteries, that's what they make generators for! That big contraption in the video was either generator run or hydro-pneumatic. In any event there was a motor running.
    Still gonna have to dig a trench to bury the power cable and air hose. A power cable lying on the ground would get shot to doll rags within the first 10-15 minutes. Same for the air hose. That's one of those seriously obscenely expensive range toys that gets built and when set down on site doesn't EVER get moved.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 1,496 Senior Member
    What about a swing arm gadget? Knock-em all down and a motorized bar swings them all back up. Could be done with a 12 motor and remote control.
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 1,248 Senior Member
    Old Ron said:
    Send Mike the plans & he will have it for you at the next shoot ........  As he is really good at that stuff & works for next to nothing to boot.
    Old Ron, you had the right idea, but you used the wrong technique.  Hold my Diet Mountain Dew and watch this.....

    Hey Mike!  I overheard Alpha say that only a Federally funded government contractor could possibly have the skills needed to build something like this!

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,280 Senior Member
    a rope is cheaper
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    What about a swing arm gadget? Knock-em all down and a motorized bar swings them all back up. Could be done with a 12 motor and remote control.
    NOW you're talking! That would be a LOT simpler, and if you used a cam mechanism the full weight of ALL the targets wouldn't be on the motor all at once. One or two 12V electric seat motors could be used to reset the targets. Those motors are worm gear drive and have loads of torque.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    I see a plan coming together here. You have a full year to get it built Mike & the next shoot you will be ready.
  • ilove22silove22s Senior Member Posts: 1,110 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #24
    way cool.

    but add another dimension to it.  Have it move while you shoot and have various size targets too.

    one other thing would be to add a popup wall where they appear from the sides.


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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,855 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #25
    Old Ron said:
    Oh ya don't buy one build one ! Send Mike the plans & he will have it for you at the next shoot ........ he is really good at that stuff & works for next to nothing to boot. As long as it's not raining there lol
    Don't forget cpj, he's pretty talented in that respect. I bet one of them could make one. Maybe Mike and cpj could put their heads together and come out with something. OMG that would be an Ugly Beast!!!
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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    Just imagine a workshop weekend with tools & steel supply & a bunch of us building creations. Mix in food & drinks .......fun weekend. On the last day of building then try the creations out.
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    If I were going to build a reset target it would have NO electrical/air power reset. It would be a simple mechanical reset. Something similar to this:
    https://www.midwayusa.com/product/380169/caldwell-resetting-target-system-pistol-up-to-45-acp-steel

    BUT, the target mechanism would be protected by 1 1/2" thick A500 steel, minimum, and ONLY the target rounds would be visible. Some shooters have the ability to destroy an anvil with a 2 pound rubber mallet.  :D  The target rounds would be 1" thick A500 for the same reason. Easy to build, not too difficult to set up, and basically 'bulletproof'. If you wanted to save a little coin, the target rounds could be made from 1/2-3/4" CRS and be easy bolt on replacement.

    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,602 Senior Member
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    No, it isn't. ANY errant shot that hits the crossbar that the lower targets swing on, or the reset bar for those targets will screw it up really well. I have two for .22 rimfire ONLY, and even a .22 LR round from a rifle or pistol will bend those bars. And it's a pain in the patootie to straighten them out in the field. Hitting the bars the targets are welded to will also screw it up.
    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 3,802 Senior Member
    Best to build heavy then you don't have as much damage. I hate to repair targets. That said I have a flip stand that I broke a leg off that need welding. Didn't shoot it off ......moving it & storing it broke the leg. ( I'm a bad shot but not that bad )
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 26,106 Senior Member
    Old Ron said:
    Best to build heavy then you don't have as much damage. I hate to repair targets. That said I have a flip stand that I broke a leg off that need welding. Didn't shoot it off ......moving it & storing it broke the leg. ( I'm a bad shot but not that bad )
    That's a balancing act. Build heavy enough to take the errant shot, but light enough to still have the target function. Like this quote says:

    A common mistake that people make when trying to design something completely foolproof is to underestimate the ingenuity of complete fools.
    Douglas Adams


    If the U.S. Congress was put in charge of the Sahara Desert, there would be a shortage of sand in under six months.



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