"Field carry" load(s)????

knitepoetknitepoet Senior MemberPosts: 18,656 Senior Member
edited July 2018 in General Firearms #1
Since it is getting closer to hunting season, I'm sure some of us will be spending more time afield. Scouting, clearing shooting lanes and planting food plots are just a few of the activities that will have us spending more time afield this summer.

I have a "cheap streak" and the idea of using an relatively expensive SD load to dispatch vermin hurts my feelings, but by the same token, I'm not a fan of using FMJs on live targets.

I compromise in my 1911 (normal field carry gun) Since my biggest concern are snakes, I carry a CCI shotshell in the chamber, then have the mag full of cast LEE 200gr RNFP  with a mid-range charge of unique pushing it ~800fps.

The bullets are "Cowboy" 45 colt bullets with a rather large meplat. My Rem 1911 feeds them reliably and I like their terminal performance better the the FMJ RN.

If I am carrying a revolver (357) I normally have a hand loaded "snakeshot" full of #12 shot lined up first, followed by 5 of my cast 164gr LBT RNFP-GC

So, when you're out and about afield, what do you stoke you "field carry" handgun with??

edited to add: Why the #12 shot specifically? Snakes aren't armor plated and I get a LOT more pellets, for a denser pattern, than the #9 shot the factory loaded ones carry. That first round in either firearm is the "OH $*#% there's a snake close enough to hurt me" load, and I know from previous encounters, AIMING won't be a main concern as I am screaming, jumping drawing and firing it.

Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,540 Senior Member
    I carry my stainless bulldog .44sp with two snake loads of #9 shot and three 200gr rnfp moving at 800 and change. I tried #12 shot and it lost energy too fast. You almost have to be in striking range to freeze a big rattler with one shot. With the #9s there are just over 100 pellets in the Speer capsules and they will ice a snake at 10ft easily.
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,231 Senior Member
    45acp 
    200gr cast lead rnfp with enough w231 or 700x to get 730fps or so.

    357mag
    158gr lswc/6.2grs Unique.

    45colt
    250 gr cast lead rnfp or 255gr lswc/8.0-8.5grs Unique.

    44mag
    240gr lswc/9.5grs Unique.
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 1,948 Senior Member
    You now have an excuse to buy a Taurus Judge or S&W Governor in .410 /.45 LC ;)
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  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 7,218 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #5
    Honestly, I just use whatever defense load is in it despite the cost.  That said, if snakes are the problem, a CCI snake shot load is definitely a good, cheap solution, provided it works in the gun at hand.
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  • NNNN Senior Member Posts: 23,887 Senior Member
    I've only had one snake strike at me and it missed or bit the bicycle or the tires knocked down so
    it could not reach me, so, I am not concerned about what ammo I should use.


    In the past I loaded 2 shot rnds followed by what ever ball/HP I had. The reason for 2 shot rnds was that most snakes need a double tap in water and at the time I did a lot of boating in the back waters.   
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,978 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #7
    A good factory load for the .357 is what I call a 'Highway Load' that's a 158 grain JSP like AM Eagle makes and would make a good woods load for that caliber.

    If you reload a hard cast 158 grain SWC atop 6.5 grains of Unique is hard to beat, in fact, maybe even bump it up from an everyday general purpose load a bit to 7.0 or more.

    In .44 Mag a 240 grain hard cast SWC with 9 or 10 grains Unique should take care of most anything you are likely to need to take care of in the woods. Some of you fired my 3" 629 with 10 grains Unique at the last shoot.

    .44 Spl  6-7.5 grains Unique under a 240 grain hard cast SWC depending on the model of gun you have and what it will handle.

    Now having said that a few bullet makers make regular HPs designed to expand at normal velocities and those with a thicker jacket for magnum loads that penetrate deep and expand slower.

    For the .45 Colt a 250-255 grain with 8+ grains Unique for Colt SAs/clones and New Vaqueros and if Ruger only type loads for Blackhawks are used then you can push them on up there.

    .45 ACP, 230 grain FMJ or some flat points in a revolver. Probably not a gun I'd want to choose for in the deep remote woods if I had no long gun with me too. If it were reloads I may consider bumping up the velocity to the Max from reloading manuals like to +P if I and my gun did good with them.  I would carry those for special purposes , but not to be used a lot without putting a stronger mainspring in a 1911. If that makes sense.

    There are many bullets on the market for reloaders and many factory loads to choose from.

    Make sure you are confident in your gun and loads above all.


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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,656 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #8
    I carry my stainless bulldog .44sp with two snake loads of #9 shot and three 200gr rnfp moving at 800 and change. I tried #12 shot and it lost energy too fast. You almost have to be in striking range to freeze a big rattler with one shot. With the #9s there are just over 100 pellets in the Speer capsules and they will ice a snake at 10ft easily.
    Must have tougher snakes in FL.
    Though if a snake is far enough away to not be an immediate danger to me, but is a poisonous snake, I'm not above cycling the "rat shot" out and aiming at it. The shot is for the "OH CRAP!" (aka danger close) snake where I want a pattern instead of a single projectile, because I won't be still enough to be aiming.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,656 Senior Member
    Six-Gun said:
    ... if snakes are the problem, ...
    Yeah, this "little" fella crawling around where I bow hunt.... is a problem

    just under 5 feet timber rattler

    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,656 Senior Member
    Wambli Ska said:They are better battered and fried than grilled 😁
    Actually I had it skinned and the hide tanned. Need to decide what I am going to do with it. Originally planned on covering a sheath with it, never got around to it though
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,822 Senior Member
    I normally pack whatever I daily carry. Most of the game I am likely to run into isn't that thick skinned. Though if I were going a bit deeper into the woods. The M28 would be loaded with those 180 hard cast buffalo bore heavy 357's 
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,564 Senior Member
    I just carry the standard load for whatever sidearm I’m carrying. 

    Ain’t skerd’a snakes. 
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  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,367 Senior Member
    Have shot two rattle snakes on the trail, one through the head with a 303 British and the other CCI snake load.
    Both were within 5 feet.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,068 Senior Member
    rberglof said:
    Have shot two rattle snakes on the trail, one through the head with a 303 British and the other CCI snake load.
    Both were within 5 feet.
    Which reminds me of the old saw: You want to kill a fly. You have a fly swatter, and you have an atomic bomb. Both will work. Which would you use? We're not discussing collateral damage, we're discussing the most effective/easy way to kill the fly... :smile:
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  • Elk creekElk creek Senior Member Posts: 5,724 Senior Member
    I carry either a 45 colt or 44 special in the field. Occasionally I will carry a 1911 or a Single six. My 45 colt load is 8.1gr of Unique under a 250 grain bullet. The 44 special load varies on the gun it’s in. 

    Aim higher, or get a bigger gun.
  • MileHighShooterMileHighShooter Senior Member Posts: 4,768 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Six-Gun said:
    ... if snakes are the problem, ...
    Yeah, this "little" fella crawling around where I bow hunt.... is a problem

    just under 5 feet timber rattler

    Holster for the gun that kilt him?
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    We have some similar critters here. Some get to 7 feet, although that's rare. But 5 and 6 feet are almost common. Ours are mostly Western Diamond Backs. They will sure make you need a drawer change.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Six-Gun said:
    ... if snakes are the problem, ...
    Yeah, this "little" fella crawling around where I bow hunt.... is a problem

    just under 5 feet timber rattler

    They are better battered and fried than grilled 😁
    For me, this is very true. I tried some BBQed Buzz Tail once and the longer I chewed the bigger it got. Had to spit it out. Now battered and Fried kinda crispy that's down right good.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,802 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #19
    Zee said:
    I just carry the standard load for whatever sidearm I’m carrying. 

    Ain’t skerd’a snakes. 
    There's two kinds a people, those that ain't skerd a snakes and then there's those who are sane people. LOL!!!
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  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,046 Senior Member
    edited July 2018 #20
    If i was really worried about snakes, I would wear bite resistant boots and use snake shot in my revolver.  
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,540 Senior Member

    They are better battered and fried than grilled.


    I found this to be true also but timber rattlers aren't very meaty and not worth the trouble.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
    .
  • JeeperJeeper Senior Member Posts: 2,952 Senior Member
    Usually either
    1) .45 Colt with 300 grain XTP'S @~1300 fps or
    2) .44 mag with 240 grain JSP's @ ~1250 fps.
    3) .357 mag with 158 grain JSP's @ ~1350 fps.

    I don't shoot so many snakes that I'm afraid to use top tier ammo on them.  Don't need rat shot to get the job done.  Last two rattlesnakes, shot their head either completely off, or nearly off, from ~10' away on the first shot.
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,978 Senior Member
    I shot a snake on Sand Mtn ALA years ago, was walking near a bluff overlooking the Tenn river on a narrow trail and something slithered out about 3 feet in front of me. It was one of those that could have been poisonous or not and I didn't wait to figure it out. Hit it with a .45 ACP Hydro-Shok from my S&W 625 I was carrying in my hand, a quick reflexive snap shot, cut Jake about in half near the head.  
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