Ocasio-Cortez refuses invite to debate, compares offer to catcalling

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  • BAMAAKBAMAAK Senior Member Posts: 4,319 Senior Member
    Main stream media does something like 80+% negative stories about Trump.  But yet a extreme socialist hack who does not even know who runs Israel is the darling of cnn and msnbc.  Cnn is reporting 22 school shootings this year.  That includes a kid with a BB gun, the ND the teacher had and a couple of frat parties.  No fake news here though.
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  • 1hogfan831hogfan83 Member Posts: 285 Member
    Isn't Boston college a Community College?  In the words of my grandfather, "People need to know when they're being laughed with, and when they're being laughed at."  
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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,351 Senior Member
    It is a private university and is somewhat elite.

    But what I am wondering is, what is wrong with community colleges?
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,731 Senior Member

    ...But what I am wondering is, what is wrong with community colleges?
    In general, maybe nothing.

    In the case of our local 'junior' college, it has largely become a remedial school for kids who failed to receive a basic education in public schools. I'm not saying that they don't provide a useful function - allowing students to learn basics that they should have learned in junior high has a great deal of value for kids that matured late, or couldn't keep up. But, when that becomes their main role, they lose their value as an institution for higher learning.

    My youngest daughter attended it for one semester and was bored to tears doing 5th grade math and 10th grade history, which is not up to the standard she was used to in a Christian school, where she was doing calculus and philosophy in the 10th grade. They forced her to take 'remedial' courses as prerequisites, because her high school transcript did not contain classes identified as standard public school classes. In reality, she had most of the subjects, before high school, but they would not accept them as prerequisites.

    Our oldest daughter graduated public school, with honors, and graduated summa **** laude from an average (on the national scale) 4 year college, specializing in deaf education, yet she was not required to take remedial courses, by virtue of having attended a public school.

    I'm just saying that in these particular circumstances, community colleges may benefit the kids that need help, but don't do much for the kids who graduate high school with high hopes and want to learn a profession, within a reasonable time frame. My youngest daughter would have been taking repetitive material for at least two years before being qualified for something that would actually have benefited her chance for a career that required a college degree. If you had a conversation with my two girls, you would be hard pressed to figure out which one had a college degree.


  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,195 Senior Member
    edited August 2018 #36
    I went to a community college.
    If you don't have a full ride to a 4-year college, it's a great way to get the same education/basics that all colleges require (English, literature, history, calculus, basic sciences, etc.) and only pay 1/2 or so the cost per hour that I'd pay at a university. 
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    edited August 2018 #37
    I went to a community college.
    If you don't have a full ride to a 4-year college, it's a great way to get the same education/basics that all colleges require (English, literature, history, calculus, basic sciences, etc.) and only pay 1/2 or so the cost per hour that I'd pay at a university. 
    I honestly don't think there is any difference between the education a person gets who attended a community college and then a university or just the 4-year university. That is, if all else is equal like the quality of education is the same.

    Unless certain degree programs have some perquisites that require classes only offered or accepted by the 4-year school that aren't offered in a community college that are taken along side the basics. Or a specific class that focuses on a particular branch /discipline of a subject that is accepted and taught by the university, but not the community college.

    Someone told me about a few offerings a community college offered that any of which would fulfill their requirement for a 2 year degree, but they had to take a specific one or the university they planned to apply to wouldn't accept the others. Then they wouldn't be accepted because of the high number of applicants who had it already or would have to take the specific one once they got there even though they already had credit hours from the community college class.


    Community colleges offer a lot of 2- year programs specifically geared to career fields too like nursing, paramedics, law enforcement, paralegals or the trades. 

    Also a good way for students to see if they are cut out for higher learning or want to pursue higher education from a university.

    Plus they offer refresher courses and those required to maintain certification for certain jobs like school teachers and/or allow them to expand the subjects they can teach.

    So yes they are a good thing for many reasons.

    I also see what you are saying bisley, community colleges shouldn't be a 'Summer School' for those who failed the first time around , but offering refresher courses to adults who have been outta school for decades and trying to better themselves is a good thing.

    Then again, if a kid needs remedial classes and that will bring them up to snuff and open up more jobs and a better future for them, it's worth it to have them around and offer high school level classes.  A way to get out of minimum wage jobs makes it better for the students and the community they live in too.

    If not in a community college where else would they get the education they need to succeed? Some HS, community centers offer 'Adult Education', but not many.

    Sounds like you daughter was leaps and bounds ahead of her peers at that school, that ain't always the case. Good for her.










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  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 15,351 Senior Member
    Bisley-- your youngest got the short end of the stick. Testing should have revealed that remedial classes were a waste of time and money. Sadly, bringing students up to speed with the stuff they should have learned in high school is one of the things that community colleges have to do, but from my experience those classes are only for those that actually need it. But beyond that, your 100 and 200 level classes are mostly universal no matter where they are taken-- English composition is English composition, chemistry is chemistry, so is psychology, political science, literature, history, philosophy, math and sociology. Everyone needs that basic liberal arts background before they work on a major to get a 4 year degree. 
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 11,032 Senior Member
    I went to a community college.
    If you don't have a full ride to a 4-year college, it's a great way to get the same education/basics that all colleges require (English, literature, history, calculus, basic sciences, etc.) and only pay 1/2 or so the cost per hour that I'd pay at a university. 
    Same here, there were a few classes that did not transfer well due to time components because the CC was on a 4 semester per year schedule and the 4 yr colleges were on a 3 semester per year schedule, some of the one semester classes I took did not transfer, MN has long since had the colleges in the state maintain a similar schedule as the 4 year schools.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,731 Senior Member
    Bisley-- your youngest got the short end of the stick. Testing should have revealed that remedial classes were a waste of time and money. Sadly, bringing students up to speed with the stuff they should have learned in high school is one of the things that community colleges have to do, but from my experience those classes are only for those that actually need it. But beyond that, your 100 and 200 level classes are mostly universal no matter where they are taken-- English composition is English composition, chemistry is chemistry, so is psychology, political science, literature, history, philosophy, math and sociology. Everyone needs that basic liberal arts background before they work on a major to get a 4 year degree. 
    I didn't attend college, so I can't speak with any authority on how the system works - I definitely do not understand it. I do know that it was very hard for my older daughter and she worked very long and hard to graduate in 4 years, and actually began teaching and translating for deaf children (on a circuit system) for several rural schools, before graduating. She had a small scholarship that paid about 1/3 of her expenses. I paid 1/3, and she took out a student loan for 1/3, which she and her husband paid off over about 10 years. Her younger sister got married and quit after 1 year of junior college, and has more or less self-educated herself, as I did.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I got a diploma from the school of hard knocks....... B)
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • 1hogfan831hogfan83 Member Posts: 285 Member
    edited August 2018 #42
    Most kids go to a Community College because of cost and locality.  Being able to spend two more years living at home with the parents will save a tremdous amount of room and board.  I went to a university state extension because of location and cost.  Going to a college that's a third of the price as the top university is a smart choice in my book.  My remark about U of Boston is in regards to her obvious lack of education in said major, economics.  Does that cast a poor shadow on Ms Cortes or the University?  In the same context, anyone who watches The Big Bang Theory will understand Sheldon Coopers view as Princeton University as being little more than a pre school.  His roommate Lenard attended adding to his distaste.  At the same time, Albert Einstein a personal hero of his taught at Princeton so, which outweighs the other?  Elizabeth Warren taught a semester at Harvard, probably the most elite university in the country, for $300k.  It dosent take much for an "elite" anything to loose credibility.  
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,018 Senior Member
    Well, I am going to a community college for my RN (Assoc Degree Nursing)

    Once I pass NCLEX next Aug, the Licenses I get from the state will be the EXACT same one the Bachelor Degree Nursing students get.
    Only time it will make a difference is if I want to go into management (I don't) or possibly teaching (maybe)

    HOWEVER, there are NUMEROUS programs that are online to go from ADN to BSN and even to Master's of Science Nursing that are mostly online,

    So I can be working AS an RN while I get my BSN and MSN


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  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,708 Senior Member
    When I separated from the military in 1980, my GI bill paid a specific amount per month and it was just enough to cover my books every semester. As Bream stated, credits are cheaper at a community college and I took all of my pre reqs at Madison Tech and only took classes that would transfer to UW to save quite a bit of money. UW tuition was around four times as much per credit as the junior college was.
    snake284 wrote: »
    For my point of view, cpj is a lot like me
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