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Bitter Pills - Dealing with the Bad Choices of California

BigslugBigslug Senior MemberPosts: 9,397 Senior Member
So, our state election rules are such that the two top vote-getters of the primary go head-to-head in the November election. . .even if they are from the same party.  The result of this is that our choices for Senate this year are conniving veteran anti-gunner Dianne Feinstein and rabidly foaming-at-the-mouth anti-gunner Kevin DeLeon.

So while it's tempting to jot down Beelzebub as a write-in candidate, I got to pondering strategies the other day.  As has become my common election strategy, it's not about voting FOR someone, it's about voting to counter something else.

Number One is Feinstein's favor - She is OOOOOOOLD, and there's some chance that Gavin Newsom may be too unpalatable even for this state.  If she suddenly croaks this term, her replacement may be chosen by a Republican governor.

She's also somewhat less of a raving loon than DeLeon, so there's stability of a sort there.

BUT. . .

DeLeon, being a raving loon, is kind of like Nancy Pelosi in a way - - this is the public face you WANT your enemy to have.  The left of the DNC wants this guy. . .because they're saying Feinstein isn't progressive enough.

DeLeon also doesn't have a 30-year establishment, probably doesn't have his fingers in NEARLY as many pies, and isn't currently on any subcommittees.  It is, after all, the national Senate, and he'd be fairly powerless without ability to generate agreement.

In all likelihood, the Wicked Witch's millions will likely carry the day, AGAIN, but it remains to be seen if her conduct on the Kavanaugh hearings bears bitter fruit.

So, for those of you in Free America, discuss the above strategic points.  If nothing else, who would you rather we send?

(Hope I haven't spoiled your appetite for dinner!  :p )


WWJMBD?

"Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,040 Senior Member
    Put 2 rounds in the six shooter, spin the cylinder and pull the trigger...

    Gavin Gruesome was the fool responsible for "Gunmageddon", and was the absolute last straw for me to exit that **** hole - but you asked about Senator. You make good points either way, but I'd be inclined to vote for DeLeon just to get rid of Feinstein and hope that DeLeon makes such a complete fool of himself that somebody, somewhere wakes up. Its a Hail Mary pass either way!

    Write in suggestions include the afore mentioned Beelzebub, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or my favorite, Alfred E. Neuman.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
  • Big Al1Big Al1 Senior Member Posts: 8,518 Senior Member
    This seems to be the trend for all elections, hold your nose and vote for the one that stinks the least!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    What, me worry..................



    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    What, me worry..................



    Leave my cousin Alfred out of it. He can't help because he's sorta 'light in the loafers'! :D

    Thank the universe that I live in a free state. But to the question of Feinstein, bride of Satan, or DeLeon, the clueless idiot, I'd have to vote for DeLeon just in the hopes of unseating Feinstein. Evil old beeches like her live to be near 100, so hoping she croaks in the next 6 years is a pipe dream. If DeLeon wins, being the 'new kid on the block', then he will be the clueless clown with a microphone shoved in his face and make a fool of himself on national TV at every opportunity. And he won't be on any committees or subcommittees of any importance, and probably not any at all.

    And with any luck, they might debate each other in San Fran, there will be an earthquake, and the building they are in will collapse on them and solve the problem. And since the building would also be filled with high ranking state Dem. Party operatives, it would be known as 'a good start' at cleaning up the place. Urban renewal by earthquake.
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
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  • CaliFFLCaliFFL Senior Member Posts: 5,486 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #7
    After 11 years in a free state I've grown accustomed to my primary candidates "out-conservativing" each other. Even the democrat candidates give lip service to guns and hunting. 

    Back to California...I'd throw a vote for DeLeon for two reasons: Drain the swamp and ask him about ghost guns every time he's in public.

    In case anyone doesn't get the reference:





    When our governing officials dismiss due process as mere semantics, when they exercise powers they don’t have and ignore duties they actually bear, and when we let them get away with it, we have ceased to be our own rulers.

    Adam J. McCleod


  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,457 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #8
    CaliFFL said:
    After 11 years in a free state I've grown accustomed to my primary candidates "out-conservativing" each other. Even the democrat candidates give lip service to guns and hunting. 

    Back to California...I'd throw a vote for DeLeon for two reasons: Drain the swamp and ask him about ghost guns every time he's in public.

    In case anyone doesn't get the reference:




    DeLeon makes my cousin Alfred look like a freaking genius! :D:D:D
      I refuse to answer that question on the grounds that I don't know the answer”
    ― Douglas Adams
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    Man if you’re expecting Jerry Brown to make a good choice, you are as loony as Feinstein. Sorry just had to say it.
    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,397 Senior Member
    timc said:
    Man if you’re expecting Jerry Brown to make a good choice, you are as loony as Feinstein. Sorry just had to say it.

    Not Moonbeam - he's out this term.  Hopefully Republican John Cox.  Gavin Newsom is apparently so arrogant in his confidence that he didn't even both to provide a candidate statement in the voter guide.

    But such is how we vote here.  Our Presidential primary is so late in the game, Trump was already pretty much decided.  My action was to vote for Sanders (and promptly take a shower), as he was seen as easier to defeat than The Pantsuit.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    If Kamalafornia's election laws allow 2 candidates from the same party to run unopposed, that's genius. Any idiot knows that candidates win primaries, but PARTIES win general elections. If the Democrats have contrived a scheme to insure that Democrats win in general elections, you have one option besides a write-in, and that's to … 



    ...vote with your feet. Time to move. No job, no family, is worth being disenfranchised. It's un-American and immoral to subsidize such a system with your tax dollars, and any level of participation.
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Put 2 rounds in the six shooter, spin the cylinder and pull the trigger...



    Write in suggestions include the afore mentioned Beelzebub, Adolf Hitler, Josef Stalin, or my favorite, Alfred E. Neuman.


    No more write in's allowed!  http://thepeoplesrepublicofcalifornia.blogspot.com/2014/09/write-in-votes-continue-to-be-banned-in.html


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,040 Senior Member
    Ain't that just lovely. I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole - but I'm starting to sound like a broken record...
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    ....







    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,930 Senior Member
    I grew up around Lancaster california, it was a very conservative area but doubt that is so now. Even the illegals have no problem telling you they vote. Of course they let them vote in local elections but they admitted to my wife they were voting for obama.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,397 Senior Member
    Given there's this swamp needs draining, and that anti-Feinstein sentiment is probably never going to be higher than it is now, I suppose I've got to hold my nose and go for the clueless idiot.

    Thinking long game, he's probably not as re-electable either.  Y'all just make sure he ends up in a Congress he can't accomplish anything in.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • horselipshorselips Senior Member Posts: 3,628 Senior Member
    The answer to any election question is never a Democrat.
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Ain't that just lovely. I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole - but I'm starting to sound like a broken record...
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    ....









    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,912 Senior Member
    Big Chief said:
    zorba said:
    Ain't that just lovely. I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole - but I'm starting to sound like a broken record...
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    I'm so glad I'm out of that **** hole, <click>
    ....

    I guess I could say the same thing about leaving the **** hole state of New York! I've been in the great state of Florida since 1990, and haven't regretted a second of it.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • 1hogfan831hogfan83 Member Posts: 347 Member
    What is that growing on his head?  I wonder how much it eats a day?  BTW, why do they call Jerry Brown moonbeam?  I must of missed that day of school.  
    "Well he shoulda armed him self" William Munney-Unforgiven"
    "You believe there is one God, that is good, even the demons believe and shudder in fear" James 2:19
  • 104RFAST104RFAST Senior Member Posts: 1,281 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #20
    I think Rush started calling him Moonbean way back when he was dating a rock singer, cant remember her name

    LINDA RONSTADT
  • rberglofrberglof Senior Member Posts: 2,930 Senior Member
    104RFAST said:
    I think Rush started calling him Moonbean way back when he was dating a rock singer, cant remember her name

    LINDA RONSTADT
    Some years ago I heard that she was paid to be with him don;t think she admits to that,
    Word is his wife is a lesbian.
    Some say moonbeam came from his voter group. “the moonbeam vote” Some say because he was a hippy.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,040 Senior Member
    rberglof said:
    Some say because he was a hippy.
    That's what I always thought.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,986 Senior Member
    I've been listening to prof. Victor Davis Hanson's lectures on Youtube to educate me more about the "California issue" and now I think I have a better, clearer picture of the problem that state seems to share with some 3rld. world countries like ours: Lots of resources but pretty dumb or plain crooked people with usually socialist ideology background running things around!
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    Sorry Bigslug but Feinstein's opponent is the author of most of Calif. anti gun laws.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,397 Senior Member
    pjames777 said:
    Sorry Bigslug but Feinstein's opponent is the author of most of Calif. anti gun laws.
    No question of it.  This is not a vote FOR either of them but rather a play in the long game given what we have to work with.

    If in the unlikely event Feinstein loses this one, there's some chance she goes away from the political stage, & some possibility that DeLeon can do less damage on the federal level than he has managed to do at the state.  He's a loon that will have less acceptance if he's spewing his nonsense to the NATIONAL congress, rather than Californians who have already guzzled the same Kool Aid.

    Like I said in the OP, about all DiFi has to recommend her is old age and the possibility of nominations for replacement by a Republican governor if she croaks.  I do believe DeLeon is less RE-electable in the future.

    At any rate, right on pre-election cue, we have our post-Kavagnaugh distractions: an active shooter at a Pittsburgh synagogue and a mail bomber revealed to be a far-right fanatic.  Little doubt as to what the shrill voices will be on about for the next two weeks.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • LinefinderLinefinder Moderator Posts: 7,762 Senior Member
    Bigslug, I've never said it before, but your depth of insight always amazes me. Unlike others here, I will never urge you to leave California. We need people like you in California. More pointedly,,,,,we need people like you to run for office in California.

    Mike
    "Walking away seems to be a lost art form."
    N454casull
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 25,040 Senior Member
    Bigslug, I've never said it before, but your depth of insight always amazes me. Unlike others here, I will never urge you to leave California. We need people like you in California. More pointedly,,,,,we need people like you to run for office in California.

    Mike
    To which they'd never get elected.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
    )O(
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,190 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    Bigslug, I've never said it before, but your depth of insight always amazes me. Unlike others here, I will never urge you to leave California. We need people like you in California. More pointedly,,,,,we need people like you to run for office in California.

    Mike
    To which they'd never get elected.
    Sad but true.  I have never seen so many followers anyplace else I have been.  The rich say one thing and everyone says yes it is great let it be so. After how many decades now, and the people can not understand why the cities are broke and you can not buy a house for under 400K.
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • pjames777pjames777 Senior Member Posts: 1,421 Senior Member
    Bigslug said:
    Given there's this swamp needs draining, and that anti-Feinstein sentiment is probably never going to be higher than it is now, I suppose I've got to hold my nose and go for the clueless idiot.

    Thinking long game, he's probably not as re-electable either.  Y'all just make sure he ends up in a Congress he can't accomplish anything in.
    He could end up on the Judicial Panel with Harris! DeLeon is a revolutionary Hispanic.  Feinstein finishing another term is questionable, she shakes every time she speaks.  DeLeon I believe is facing term limits, ending next year.   Hopefully he'll get a consulting job and will fade away ….

  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 9,397 Senior Member
    . . .and James makes some good points.  I haven't really checked what the polls for the Cox/Newsom gubernatorial race are running lately (not that I'd believe them anyway).  DeLeon is indeed the darling of the Left-of-Lenin crowd, so the vote for DiFi might indeed be the way for them BOTH to go down.

    The problem I'm having with the notion of her not finishing another term is that I've been convinced for years that she bathes in the blood of puppies, has a portrait hidden away that's getting older, or is calling on some other Dark Majicks to hang on as a plague to the world.
    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,813 Senior Member
    Emotion vs. Logic:
     
    The left survives by knowing how to trip the emotional triggers that will prevent voters from seeking logical solutions. They are so good at it because they have played the 'long game,' actually learning, over time, to use logic to craft their strategy against logic. They create emotion based focus groups by concentrating their efforts on selecting the people who are notorious for making bad decisions - uneducated minorities with legitimate gripes, outcasts from the traditional social scenes, and spoiled youngsters who have grown to adulthood without ever having had to solve any of their own problems. Then, they use clever, dishonest people to rally them into screeching lynch mobs that seek out the media to record their performances for careful editing and broadcasting to the mainstream. This creates panic among politicians, causing them to suspend logic by instilling in them an irrational fear that these performances will be believed by enough voters to send them back home. It is a winning formula in the heavy population centers, because the politically challenged segment of the population are concentrated there, and clever spin can make it appear that the 'movement' is more widespread than it really is.

    Bigslug, by voting for the least competent and more radical candidate, is also playing the 'long game,' also using logic to undermine a more powerful 'enemy.' Defeat the powerful candidate by electing a politically incompetent in her place, thereby putting a candidate in place who will alienate his own supporters over the next six years. It is much easier to destroy than create, so elect someone who is easier to destroy.

    Since both candidates are poison, pick the poison that is less lethal, allowing for the possibility that a more logical candidate can provide the antidote, over the next six years. It sounds like a desperate plan, but actually makes much more sense than not voting at all. It is guerilla warfare, of a sort, not unlike the various resistance groups who opposed the Germans in WWII. They couldn't win, by themselves, but they disrupted the thought processes of the tyrants, and forced them to make bad decisions that aided the forces that had the power to oppose them in more conventional ways.
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