Building rifle. Need options.

FFLshooterFFLshooter MemberPosts: 965 Senior Member
Ive been kicking around the idea of building a custom 6.5 creedmore on a 700 short action with only the intentions of selling it. Im needing ideas on triggers, stocks and barrel length and twist. Any suggestions are much appreciated.

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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,780 Senior Member
    I can’t comprehend this project on many levels n
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    ???
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    Well imagine that you can blueprint an action, jewel or flute a bolt, true up the bolt and receiver and do pretty much anything you want to build the baddest rifle possible with the intentions that someone will appreciate it enough to want to purchase it. What would you do?
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,780 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #5
    Blueprinted 700 Action
    Badger Bolt Handle
    27” Krieger Barrel chambered in .260 Rem
    Jewel Trigger
    AX Chassis
    Holland Brake

    Fluting/Jeweling a Bolt is worthless eye candy to me. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,780 Senior Member
    And I was originally joking about not understanding:

    6.5 Creedmoor
    Buikding a gun for someone else. 
    Selling a gun. 

    😁
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    I’m actually being contracted by an 07 licensee to build this. They want me to go with my gut on everything (hence why I’m wanting advice). I’m afraid that I’m not too much in the know of what’s really popular with folks in the custom world. I’m definitely taking notes though.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,780 Senior Member
    Piss on popular. It’s results that count. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,780 Senior Member
    If this is a popularity build.......I’m out. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    I just want to build what folks will want to buy.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,020 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #11
    Pretty much all of the 6.5s I'm aware of use an 8 to 8.5T barrel, so that's a good place to start. Though at least a couple of makers make 7 and 7.5T .264 barrels. If it's a LR or tactical rifle, some buyers might think they need the faster twist for the heavier bullets, but other than being able to say, "it has a 7T (or 7.5T)barrel" I doubt the buyer would ever know the difference.

    Since it's a "custom" build to sell, I'd probably go Jewel or Timney trigger, if for no other reason than name recognition

    Barrel length and contour, and stock would depend on if you're building a LR hunter, LW hunter or a "Tactical" rifle. Though, these days, since you're building it to sell, I'd use a heavy enough barrel that you can thread the muzzle 5/8x24 at whatever length you decide on.

    For bbl length, depending on the configuration, I'd go 20-24"
    Whose barrel depends on too many options. Name recognition, lead time, price, final "market" your wanting to sell it in.

    New barrel maker "what's my name" might currently be building the absolute BEST barrels in the world, but if the purchaser has never heard of them, it might as well be an ER Shaw or factory barrel
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,020 Senior Member
    If money's no object, and you want to turn some heads of the "cool" crowd...
    A Proof Research CF wrapped barrel would make the rifle stand out, and about double the cost of the barrel
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,020 Senior Member
    Also, bottom metal would depend on final configuration. PR/Tactical buyers are probably going to want a DBM while it seems most hunters want a floor plate for a smoother bottom for carrying afield, hinged for easier unloading.
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 19,020 Senior Member
    Now that I've given you some basics of, what I feel is, the current market, I'll list what I would personally use if I was spec'ing it our for myself, in a couple of configurations.

    "Hunting" would be lighter weight field rifle, Timney Trigger (1.5-2#), Proof research 20" 8T barrel, threaded, B&C Alaskan II stock and a hinged floor plate on bottom.

    LR would have a Timney Trigger(1.5# max), 24" Lilja/Hart/Bartlien barrel 8T, threaded, BDM bottom metal and reside in B&C Medalist light tactical stock



    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 21,930 Senior Member
    Well imagine that you can blueprint an action, jewel or flute a bolt, true up the bolt and receiver and do pretty much anything you want to build the baddest rifle possible with the intentions that someone will appreciate it enough to want to purchase it. What would you do?
    Baddest gun for what? Target shooting? Competing (which disciplines)? Hunting?  ...Ok that needs to be more specific... Long range hunting?  Mountain hunting?  Brush? ...
    This! You need to have an idea what to build or you may end up with a very narrow market. No way I'm just building a gun to sell. If people want a specialized gun they can build it themselves. You may end up building something you can't sell and eating it. At the very least build something that you might like in case you can't sell it for what you have in it.
    Daddy, what's an enabler?
    Son that's somebody with nothing to do with his time but keep me in trouble with mom.
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,782 Senior Member
    Just my opinion but a buyer of a custom rifle knows every detail they want and have it made that way. You might be better off taking/ getting an order first.
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    I should have added that they want a long range rig. I’ve already sourced a 1:8 Kreiger bbl that’s 27”. I can always shorten it though. I’m definitely looking at all of your recommendations as well. I appreciate the advice and will keep y’all updated on the build as it progresses. Again, this is just me building “something” for another shop in hopes that it sells fairly well. It’s a pain though that they are dropping the whole design details into my lap instead of just telling me specifically what they want.
  • jbohiojbohio Senior Member Posts: 5,511 Senior Member
    What Zee said, except a Trigger Tech trigger,  and a custom stock, not a chassis.
  • timctimc Senior Member Posts: 6,684 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #19
    This is what my imagination got me....
    Remington 700 action
    jeweled bolt
    Tromix bolt knob
    shillen #3 contour varmint barrel 26” with brake chambered in .308

    Hogue full bed block stock with action bedded.

    Timney trigger

    surgeon bottom metal with A/I 10 round mag.

    Leupold VX3 LR 6.5-20x50mm

    purpose in life, hog eradication.



    timc - formerly known as timc on the last G&A forum and timc on the G&A forum before that and the G&A forum before that.....
    AKA: Former Founding Member
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 19,898 Senior Member
    edited October 2018 #20
    "Jeweled Bolt"

    As everyone here knows, I'm a Belly Dancer, and that means I like all kinds of gaudy, shiny, sparkly, and even tacky stuff. With that said, lose the jeweled bolt. Please.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,782 Senior Member
    zorba said:
    "Jeweled Bolt"

    As everyone here knows, I'm a Belly Dancer, and that means I like all kinds of gaudy, shiny, sparkly, and even tacky stuff. With that said, lose the jeweled bolt. Please.
    OMG does that mean I'm tackier than you.
    I have a gun with a jeweled bolt.



  • WeatherbyWeatherby Senior Member Posts: 4,782 Senior Member
    Oh you are soooooo tacky... That pinto of yours is the tackiest of them all.  I think you should send it to me so you go back under your tacky limit...  >:)
    I always thought that scratched up one wearing pachaderm was more tacky.
    Guess I am tacky.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,100 Senior Member
    Well imagine that you can blueprint an action, jewel or flute a bolt, true up the bolt and receiver and do pretty much anything you want to build the baddest rifle possible with the intentions that someone will appreciate it enough to want to purchase it. What would you do?
    Baddest gun for what? Target shooting? Competing (which disciplines)? Hunting?  ...Ok that needs to be more specific... Long range hunting?  Mountain hunting?  Brush? ...
    THIS
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,100 Senior Member
    I should have added that they want a long range rig. I’ve already sourced a 1:8 Kreiger bbl that’s 27”. I can always shorten it though. I’m definitely looking at all of your recommendations as well. I appreciate the advice and will keep y’all updated on the build as it progresses. Again, this is just me building “something” for another shop in hopes that it sells fairly well. It’s a pain though that they are dropping the whole design details into my lap instead of just telling me specifically what they want.
    I would get more info, on what they specifically wanted it for.
    What is your barrel contour?
    What do they mean by LR?
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,213 Senior Member
    Never cared for jeweled finishes on bolts...I went for spiral flutes on my .308...

    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 965 Senior Member
    I would get more info, on what they specifically wanted it for.
    What is your barrel contour?
    What do they mean by LR?
    All I was told was long range. I’m assuming paper. The bbl is a blank, so I’ll be turning it down some but leaving it a heavy barrel. I may or may not flute it for aesthetics.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,100 Senior Member
    I would get more info, on what they specifically wanted it for.
    What is your barrel contour?
    What do they mean by LR?
    All I was told was long range. I’m assuming paper. The bbl is a blank, so I’ll be turning it down some but leaving it a heavy barrel. I may or may not flute it for aesthetics.
    If someone told me LR, I would not make assumptions.  Not being catty, it is just what I would do.
    I would specifically ask what the Maximum distance they are looking for and most likely distances for the intended use(s), and type of discipline(s)/uses (600 & 1k BR, which I doubt they are looking for, F-Open {possible but doubtful}, hunting?  If so, deer sized game, but at what maximum distance?, Fun Steel shooting/Tactical/Possibly PRS, Varminting?).  Combination of the above?
    My guess, would be a fun gun that does well out to a grand or so for paper and steel, would work at a roving steel match or PRS match, and would take care of hunting uses from varmints through deer sized game (Including pigs) out to 500 yards or so.
    I would choose the Creed over the  260, simply because it is more popular, and more customers would be drawn to it.
    6 Creed would be another option, depending on the big game requirements.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,100 Senior Member
    Remington Varmint taper handles sustained shooting pretty good.
    You could go heavier, but it would depend on use(s)...
    Agree with Zee on the Holland Radial Baffle brake
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
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