AR for home defense!!

Smw2258

I am 100 percent pro 2nd amendment, have lost your mind. I have owned firearms since my first Crosman 760, I am A Vet. (USCG). Pushing the AR Platform for home defense is , I will say it,  insane. Do you really want grandma or the teenager next door running around the house shooting 5.56 rounds through the walls. What else would you like to give the anti- 2nd amendment nuts to argue about. Obviously you gets lots of money from manufacturers to promote this, have the  balls to say no.

earlyagain

I'd venture a guess that every LEO squad car in this municipal area has one in the trunk that's loaded with select department issue ammunition for use in a crowded urban area.

As far as Im concerned these rifles are absolutely needed for their work, and represent an excellent choice for many private citizens desirous of home protection.

breamfisher

If you're worried about overpenetration through walls...

.22 LR will go through 4 or more walls, 9mm HP through 5.

https://forums.gunsandammo.com/discussion/35384/i-use-xxxx-for-home-defense-to-prevent-overpenetration/p1

NCFUBAR

Different strokes for different folks ... ARs are part of my HD setup (Speer 64gr Soft Point Gold Dots) as well as handguns and a shotgun. As far as wall penetration a .45acp, .40SW and 9mm will go thru as many if not more layers of interior wall board than 5.56. Unless you run specialty ammo like Glaser or such every round will penetrate at least a couple layers. Generalizations like you made in your OP might have some truth in over penetration but after that it loses traction when practical testing and application is applied. 

NN

Troll.

I want a .410

LMLarsen

Bless your heart.

Big Chief

Oh boy.

Spk

Smw2258 said:

I am 100 percent pro 2nd amendment, have lost your mind. I have owned firearms since my first Crosman 760, I am A Vet. (USCG). Pushing the AR Platform for home defense is , I will say it,  insane. Do you really want grandma or the teenager next door running around the house shooting 5.56 rounds through the walls. What else would you like to give the anti- 2nd amendment nuts to argue about. Obviously you gets lots of money from manufacturers to promote this, have the  balls to say no.

I'm guessing in your own world view everyone has an AR toting granny or undisciplined teenagers right next door. If that were true, I'd be a little more sympathetic to your point of view.

I live in an area that's somewhat remote. An errant round would have to find it's way through several hundred acres of orchard before ever finding it's way to the nearest neighbor and I'd have to be aiming in the opposite direction of the front door (presumably, where the threat would be)!

My question is this, is it the platform or the ammo? I have a handy Mini-14 in 5.56/.223 for home defense needs (among other things). Am I wicked, evil or irresponsible for using the platform or the caliber? Or of knowing what's around me and what would be behind the threat?

Not every situation calls for the use of Ball ammo! If it bothers you that much and you're in a congested area, use Frangible ammo. Problem solved!
https://ammoseek.com/ammo/223-remington?ikw=frangible

The more you know, the less you'll fear.............

breamfisher

I miss the popcorn emoji...

NCFUBAR

breamfisher said:

I miss the popcorn emoji...

Zee

If he defends his position, I’ll interject. If it’s just a drive by, ain’t worth the effort. 

10canyon53

Jayhawker

The guy thinks he's writing a letter to the editor.....

NN

NCFUBAR said:

breamfisher said:

I miss the popcorn emoji...

    like it

Jermanator

I use AR's for HD, and it makes hella sense to use. But I will go with Zee... if he wants to actually talk about it and get informed... awesome, we can educate. If this is a drive by troll, I won't waste my keystrokes.

DanChamberlain

Coming into a room and shouting, "I'm a pro 2nd vet," is a great way to get the response, "Welcome to the crowd." Many of us, if not most of us share a similar pedigree. Now settle down and learn something. 

When I was in college, my room mate was trying to impress a girl. I was out with a date. When I got home, I noticed a hole in door and a corresponding hole in the door jam across the hall. I knew immediately what it was. Inside I found my friend nervous as all get out. He was in the bedroom and had a negligent discharge. Through the bedroom sheetrock, through the living room sheetrock, through the sheetrock leading into the kitchen and through the other layer on the other side, bounced off the refrigerator, hit the solid wood door, fully penetrated and you already know what I found in the hall. 

That's 4 layers of sheetrock, one good ricochet a wooden door and finally stopping in a door jam.

.38 Special, 158 grain semi-jacketed hollow point. 

Welcome to the room. But know that you aren't the only one here who knows a little something about guns, ammo and military.

Best to you.

Dan 

Old Ron

Well reading the first post I have managed to get my full quota of BS for the day.

das68

Smw2258 said:

. I am A Vet. (USCG). Pushing the AR Platform

  I am a ex-Royal Corps of Signals.

What is a ar Platform and why are you Pushing it?

Does it have wheels?

zorba

DanChamberlain said:

Coming into a room and shouting, "I'm a pro 2nd vet," is a great way to get the response, "Welcome to the crowd." Many of us, if not most of us share a similar pedigree. Now settle down and learn something. 

When I was in college, my room mate was trying to impress a girl. I was out with a date. When I got home, I noticed a hole in door and a corresponding hole in the door jam across the hall. I knew immediately what it was. Inside I found my friend nervous as all get out. He was in the bedroom and had a negligent discharge. Through the bedroom sheetrock, through the living room sheetrock, through the sheetrock leading into the kitchen and through the other layer on the other side, bounced off the refrigerator, hit the solid wood door, fully penetrated and you already know what I found in the hall. 

That's 4 layers of sheetrock, one good ricochet a wooden door and finally stopping in a door jam.

.38 Special, 158 grain semi-jacketed hollow point. 

Welcome to the room. But know that you aren't the only one here who knows a little something about guns, ammo and military.

Best to you.

Dan 

And I always thought the best way was to shout "I'm a male Belly Dancer, and I wear skirts!"

More seriously, this reminds me of my late father's ND  with his Security Six. This one too started in the bedroom, flew into the bathroom (door was open), shattered the bathtub glass door, went through the tile at the end of the tub, emerged through the tile at the end of the tub in the other bathroom, went through the tile on the backside of same, and emerged through the stucco on the outside wall. Their house was on the edge of town, and this was all upstairs, so the bullet spent itself out over a field somewhere, thank Goddess! It probably went quite a ways, as it was a full house .357 load...

Spk

zorba said:

And I always thought the best way was to shout "I'm a male Belly Dancer, and I wear skirts!"

More seriously, this reminds me of my late father's ND  with his Security Six. This one too started in the bedroom, flew into the bathroom (door was open), shattered the bathtub glass door, went through the tile at the end of the tub, emerged through the tile at the end of the tub in the other bathroom, went through the tile on the backside of same, and emerged through the stucco on the outside wall. Their house was on the edge of town, and this was all upstairs, so the bullet spent itself out over a field somewhere, thank Goddess! It probably went quite a ways, as it was a full house .357 load...

Hate to break it to you Zorb, but that stray round might still be out there,............. Somewhere! Wandering the lonely street of middle America, hopping trains and frequenting local dives. Who knows where that bullet will end up.............?

Three Fifty Seven Magnums have a lot of go in them!

Big Chief

das68 said:

Smw2258 said:

. I am A Vet. (USCG). Pushing the AR Platform

  I am a ex-Royal Corps of Signals.

What is a ar Platform and why are you Pushing it?

Does it have wheels?

The civilian semi-auto version of our M-16/M-4 military rifle.

das68

Big Chief said:

The civilian semi-auto version of our M-16/M-4 military rifle.

I did guess

We had the really early (no forward assist ) Colt AR 15 on issue in the very late 80's, close on 30 years old by then.

Big Chief

Or to be technically correct the AR stands for Armalite Rifle.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ArmaLite_AR-15

Spk

Big Chief said:

The civilian semi-auto version of our M-16/M-4 military rifle.

I think he was using his sarcasm muscle.

Big Chief

AR stands fer Assault or Automatic rifle to the gun grabbers!

das68

Big Chief said:

Or to be technically correct the AR stands for Armalite Rifle.

I think Colt had stopped using "Armalite", by that time, just "Colt AR-15".

Nice mix;

earlyagain

I thought AR stood for all right.

NN

earlyagain said:

I thought AR stood for all right.

OK then

NN

Jayhawker

cpj said:

Because Allysa Milano is HAWT. 

I need to go put on my Crocs...

Jermanator

DanChamberlain said:

He was in the bedroom and had a negligent discharge.

Sadly, I can relate to that. (I can't believe nobody hit that slow pitch before me.)