Automatic Braking Systems

JayhawkerJayhawker ModeratorPosts: 14,287 Senior Member
I have a question about cars with Automatic Braking Systems....Say you're driving along and a possum runs out in front of you...Does the car slam on the brakes or does it just run right over the little bastard?
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  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 1,730 Senior Member
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  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 7,570 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    I have a question about cars with Automatic Braking Systems....Say you're driving along and a possum runs out in front of you...Does the car slam on the brakes or does it just run right over the little bastard?
    If it did, I would be sending it back to have that option disarmed..........

    Which brings up another interesting question. If you are offroading and hit the loud pedal to crash through some brush, will the vehicle respond or will it brake?
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,287 Senior Member
    And what if you WANT to run over somebody?
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 17,631 Senior Member
    More useless technology.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    You can turn the feature on and off on every car so equipped.  Mine has already saved me from rear ending a car on the interstate when the idiot saw a small critter on the highway and slammed on his brakes.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 2,282 Senior Member
    ABS
    When the passenger stomps the floor board repeatedly as if there's a brake pedal while screaming incoherent euphemisms. Then ya know the brakes need immediate application.
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,044 Senior Member
    LOL @earlyagain

    During one of the driver safety classes I attended for the ambulance service I worked for at the time, the instructor warned all of us paramedics, "If you hear your driver yell 'OH ****!' consider that your collision warning siren and BRACE as quickly as possible"
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,044 Senior Member
    Concerning the automatic braking, automatic park assist etc ad nauseum...

    I do not currently have a vehicle with any of that, and I prefer to keep it that way
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 17,631 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Concerning the automatic braking, automatic park assist etc ad nauseum...

    I do not currently have a vehicle with any of that, and I prefer to keep it that way
    Yep. Completely un-necessary unless you're messing with your smartphone or otherwise not paying attention - which is, unfortunately, the majority of drivers these days.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    edited November 8 #11
    zorba said:
    knitepoet said:
    Concerning the automatic braking, automatic park assist etc ad nauseum...

    I do not currently have a vehicle with any of that, and I prefer to keep it that way
    Yep. Completely un-necessary unless you're messing with your smartphone or otherwise not paying attention - which is, unfortunately, the majority of drivers these days.
    Nope, the system is MUCH better than your average humam EVEN when they are paying attention.  This is not an baseless personal observation.  I was just talking about this today with the folks from LexisNexis.  Their data bases feed information to 90% of insurance companies in the world and they have driving risk data on everybody reading this.  

    In any case from another independent source, this is from an article from Cornell University.

    “There is a growing body of evidence that these types of systems significantly reduce the incidence of rear-end crashes. A new systematic review published in the journal Accident Analysis andPrevention evaluated the real-world accident data from five European countries and Australia. The analysis included all rear-end crashes, where a car hit the vehicle in front of it or was struck from behind.

    After analyzing the data, researchers found that having cars automatically slam on the breaks leads to a 38 percent reduction in rear-end crashes compared to vehicle without the automatic breaking system.

    There were also some nuances in the data. For example, cars with the automatic breaking system were more likely to be struck from the vehicle behind them, who would also be forced to slam on the brakes. That’s because the system has better reaction time than a human driver.”


    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 17,631 Senior Member
    ... that may all be true, BUT - if you're operating your vehicle in a safe manner, the likelyhood of EVER needing one of these overpriced "systems" is vastly reduced. We would get a HUGE increase in safety if smartfones automatically shut off when the engine was started - but we'll never see that. Americans are scared of life, that's how the safetycrats got a foothold in the first place.
    Oh, and its BRAKING, not BREAKING! :smile:
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 6,733 Senior Member
    Grammar Nazi...... :D
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,519 Senior Member
    Grammar Nazi...... :D
    Zorba is Channeling ole SamW
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,287 Senior Member
    Grammar Nazi...... :D
    I was about to say something...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    That’s funny because that quote was copied directly from the Cornell article.  I guess their auto correct/spellchecker sucks as bad as mine.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 2,282 Senior Member
    As a professional driver of 30 years experience and a recent recipient of a 22 year safe driver award I say.....

    I'm definitely failable. As I age my reactions slow down and adverse conditions create greater fatigue that further deminish my ability.

    I see a level of disregard beyond contempt in a regularly encountered portion of my fellow motorists. If ABS systems work, its beneficial technology. Same as seatbelts, paded dash boards, and crumple zones. If they do not work and add additional risk, than such systems should have postponed adoption until they do work.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,344 Senior Member
    That’s funny because that quote was copied directly from the Cornell article.  I guess their auto correct/spellchecker sucks as bad as mine.
    Damn Apple products!
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 23,920 Senior Member
    I've been rear ended twice. I was leaving enough space between me and the vehicle(s) in front of me to have plenty of time to brake without a panic stop, and did. The freakin' tailgater behind me, each time, got stabbed by the drop hitch on the truck. I removed a radiator from one, and relocated the engine on another. If you're 3 feet of the rear bumper of the vehicle in front of you doing 70 mph, I don't think that auto braking is gonna save your bacon when the vehicle in front of you has heavy braking applied. I COULD be wrong about that, but I don't think so.
    I may be a Deplorable, but at least I'm not a Liberal!!!



  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 6,760 Senior Member
    Yet another bit of technology to remove Darwin from the equation.

    The world needs  A LOT MORE Darwin, not less.
    WWJMBD?

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  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,034 Senior Member
    Auto braking is a wonderful thing, so long as it's saving your bacon by keeping you off of the vehicle in front of you.  When it's applying a bunch of "whoa" and all of a sudden you're catching instead of receiving... not so much.  

    That's a hard pass from this Luddite.  I'll just pay attention when I'm driving, thanks. 
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 14,287 Senior Member
    Nice discussion....but what about the possum...
    Sharps Model 1874 - "The rifle that made the west safe for Winchester"
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 14,344 Senior Member
    The real answer? According to Tugar's link, a possum will not have the radar signature of the rear end of a car and will become roadkill.

    A more spirited answer? According to Wambli's Apple technology, in a fight between the car and possum, the possum will loose-- no breaking will be involved.
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    Possum is a goner...
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,343 Senior Member
    Hey  Zorba, I'm curious if you think anti lock brakes are also stupid and unnecessary technology that's being forced upon us. Do you think that you could stop faster without it?
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  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 12,832 Senior Member
    Electric starters. The wussification of America began when we got rid of hand-crank starters and started using buttons and keys to start our cars.
    Overkill is underrated.
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,034 Senior Member
    edited November 9 #27
    I'm not against technology. Hell, I'm posting this from a hand held computer that I can use to send & recieve messages of multiple types virtually anywhere in the world.  All of our vehicles have electronic fuel injection and ABS, one has a remote start and two have traction control.  

    This isn't about fear of technology, it's about giving up control... or at least the illusion of control.  

    ETA: I don't recall anybody here clamoring for "smart" guns... in fact, quite the opposite.  As I recall, the opposition to even the thought of smart guns was unanimous.  

    Food for thought...
    "Bipartisan" usually means that a bigger than normal deception is happening.
    George Carlin
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    Electric starters. The wussification of America began when we got rid of hand-crank starters and started using buttons and keys to start our cars.
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    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • Wambli SkaWambli Ska Moderator Posts: 27,815 Senior Member
    I'm not against technology. Hell, I'm posting this from a hand held computer that I can use to send & recieve messages of multiple types virtually anywhere in the world.  All of our vehicles have electronic fuel injection and ABS, one has a remote start and two have traction control.  

    This isn't about fear of technology, it's about giving up control... or at least the illusion of control.  

    ETA: I don't recall anybody here clamoring for "smart" guns... in fact, quite the opposite.  As I recall, the opposition to even the thought of smart guns was unanimous.  

    Food for thought...
    So again, the systems can be turned on and off by the driver so you don’t give up any control actually you gain driving options.  In most, if not all, vehicles systems like traction control and others are all user selectable.  He’ll the new Mustang has something like 5 different drive “modes”.  I spent 3 days playing with one and it was a hoot to feel the differences.

    The analogy with guns is interesting.  I am not against smart gun technology being developed.  He’ll if it’s advantageous to me I’ll even take a look at it.  What I will not tolerate is anyone cramming it down my throat.  But it’s ok to like to drive a technologically advanced vehicle and still love a 68 Camaro.  And as always the markets will decide.
    "Attack rapidly, ruthlessly, viciously, without rest, however tired and hungry you may be, the enemy will be more tired, more hungry. Keep punching." General George S. Patton
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 17,631 Senior Member

    This isn't about fear of technology, it's about giving up control... or at least the illusion of control.  

    Its more about having to PAY for it, and then pay for it again when it breaks. Oh, and when the Telcos get their way, pay for it every month!
    We didn't have all this nanny state crap in (say) 1978. Didn't need it then, don't need it now!
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 17,631 Senior Member
     What I will not tolerate is anyone cramming it down my throat.
    But that is EXACTLY what is happening in the case of all this automotive nonsense.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
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