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bellcatbellcat Senior MemberPosts: 1,737 Senior Member
I would imagine France has very strict gun control laws?

A perp with a criminal record, and on a terrorism watch list.

Obtains guns, shoots up a Christmas gathering, and gets away.

And we have people who think guns are the problem and stricter gun control will limit violent behavior?
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  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    They do, law abiding citizens are highly restricted to own guns. They can own guns if they have a hunting license (much different than getting one here) get a Psych Eval and belong to a club. IOW jump through hoops to get and keep a license.

    Terrorist and criminals will always get guns, law abiding citizens get dragged over the coals to qualify.

    They can own up to 12 centerfire guns and 1000 rds of ammo for each. It's restrictive, but not as bad as I thought.


    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    Guns are hard for Europeans who obey the laws to obtain, depending on the country, but the black market on firearms is a thriving industry, and has been for a long time. Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England, including crew served machine guns and SMGs just by gun running from the Continent to Ireland by boat. Lots of guns make it to Europe from the North African coast where a few payoffs to the right people to look the other way will get a boatload of guns from a North African port to anywhere in Europe, and the same for some of the Eastern European countries that were recently at war. Lots of battlefield pick-ups crisscross Western Europe from those places. If you're a criminal and want a firearm, they are about as easy to obtain there as they are here, and in full auto flavor, too.
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  • das68das68 Posts: 662 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #4
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even with The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

     



     



  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    After the Berlin Wall came down, my German police friends told me you could buy a grenade for 10 West German D-marks and a real AK 47 for 100 D-marks. Depending on the the exchange rate that could have been under 5 USD for the grenade and under 50 bucks for the AK. 
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    And in France getting a CCW is about an impossible request. So any immediate counter attack on terrorist by civilians ain't gonna happen.
    It's only true if it's on this forum where opinions are facts and facts are opinions
    Words of wisdom from Big Chief: Flush twice, it's a long way to the Mess Hall
    I'd rather have my sister work in a whorehouse than own another Taurus!
  • GilaGila Posts: 1,826 Senior Member
    bellcat said:
    I would imagine France has very strict gun control laws?

    A perp with a criminal record, and on a terrorism watch list.

    Obtains guns, shoots up a Christmas gathering, and gets away.

    And we have people who think guns are the problem and stricter gun control will limit violent behavior?
    Gun control isn't about limiting violent behavior or preventing injury and death.  It is about taking complete control of us.
    No good deed goes unpunished...
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

     






    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.
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  • Old RonOld Ron Senior Member Posts: 4,206 Senior Member
    The dead from bombs all over the place will rest easy knowing it wasn't a war.
  • das68das68 Posts: 662 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #10
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

     






    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

    oh, you mean those f***ing murdering  c***s


    it's all good.

     One of my last overseas posting was on sec to the Royal Irish Regiment on STTT in west africa, lots of Irish lads.

    when you and your unit get a witch doctor curse put on you a least once a week you do tend to bond.

    When the village idiots started could have gone very bad, and it did for one young lad.

    Look up Operations Barras.









  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,171 Senior Member
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

     






    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

    oh, you mean those f***ing murdering  c***s









    The natives of an occupied country do tend to get pissy when their homeland is well........occupied. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • das68das68 Posts: 662 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #12
    Zee said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

     






    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

    oh, you mean those f***ing murdering  c***s









    The natives of an occupied country do tend to get pissy when their homeland is well........occupied. 
    Yes, you and Custer would know about that. :#

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 23,171 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #13
    I’m not that old. But, I have read about Custer and the atrocities. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ilove22silove22s Senior Member Posts: 1,277 Senior Member
    just goes to show you that the criminals dont care about laws and will get the guns even with more? strict laws.
    The ears never lie.

    - Don Burt
  • das68das68 Posts: 662 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #15
    cpj said:
    Indians (feather) got beat. I benefit from it. As does all of America.  And the world, for that matter. Think of all the asses of European countries Custer has indirectly saved over the years. 

    All that goodness spread to the world and yet loathed with such an intensity

    present company excepted

    the UK even with our vile world Empire could never hope to achieve.

    you must be doing something right.







  • HappySquidHappySquid Member Posts: 352 Member
    edited December 2018 #16
    Big Chief said:
    After the Berlin Wall came down, my German police friends told me you could buy a grenade for 10 West German D-marks and a real AK 47 for 100 D-marks. Depending on the the exchange rate that could have been under 5 USD for the grenade and under 50 bucks for the AK. 
    The Netherlands; Current black market pricing on AK´s (all 
    varieties) is € 75.00 including 150 rnds,  Handgrenades are between € 5,- € 20,-  depending on your volume  and really: someone opened up a Wholesale so it seems, police finds 2/4 stray grenades per day :sweat_smile:  


    Legally its impossible

  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

    oh, you mean those f***ing murdering  c***s


    it's all good.

     One of my last overseas posting was on sec to the Royal Irish Regiment on STTT in west africa, lots of Irish lads.

    The maternal side of my family came from Scotland, Clan Cockburn (of the lowland Scotland) if it matters. Some of them moved to Ireland and lived there for years until the potato famine forced them to move again to the U.S. I have heard many stories from my great grandfather and grandfather of the treatment of the Lowland Scots, and the treatment of the Irish by GB back in that time before the move to the U.S. They weren't exactly welcomed here, either, but made a good go of it anyway, even during the Civil War here.
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  • das68das68 Posts: 662 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #18
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    das68 said:
    tennmike said:
    . Ireland got lots of firearms during their war with England......

    The Republic of Ireland has never been at war with England

     not even The United Kingdom of Great Britain and Northern Ireland.

    would you like to explain that statement fella?

    The Irish Republican Army(IRA) sure made it look like a war. That is what I was referring to. It's been called 'The Troubles' among other names. Didn't mean to step on your toes.

    oh, you mean those f***ing murdering  c***s


    it's all good.

     One of my last overseas posting was on sec to the Royal Irish Regiment on STTT in west africa, lots of Irish lads.

    The maternal side of my family came from Scotland, Clan Cockburn (of the lowland Scotland) if it matters. Some of them moved to Ireland and lived there for years until the potato famine forced them to move again to the U.S. I have heard many stories from my great grandfather and grandfather of the treatment of the Lowland Scots, and the treatment of the Irish by GB back in that time before the move to the U.S. They weren't exactly welcomed here, either, but made a good go of it anyway, even during the Civil War here.

    a funny lot but good lads

    they postponed the rebellion to form Irish regiments in the British Army and support us in the Great War

    they deserted the neutral Irish army in droves in '39 to fight for Britain against the nazis

    and paid for it on returning home



     long time coming

    WWII Irish 'deserters' finally get pardons

    By Chris Buckler BBC News
    • 7 May 2013

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-22425684

    Deserters were found guilty of going absent without leave by a military tribunal.

    Their punishment came after the war when many of the soldiers headed home to Ireland.

    They were barred from holding jobs paid for by the state, they lost their pension rights and many faced discrimination.












  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,595 Senior Member
    Down here we have the same style of gun control laws, and see how well S.A. is doing.

    Murder rates in Venezuela (Where ALL guns belong to the state but are "loaned" by civilians when they purchase them), Mexico (Only ONE Army-controlled gun store in the whole country) and some Central American countries are close to war zones, but  they have the most restrictive laws. Brazil is close to that too but the new "Trump" they've elected promises to change the socialist-inspired gun laws to allow law-abiding citizens to protect themselves against rampant crime.

    We had an awful law (That few obeyed BTW) until a a few years ago, and then changed it for a better one, close to what the pinkos would like to implement in the US.
    I also visit Chile every year, and pinko administrations toughened their gun laws every year. Results? although not even close to other countries in the region, crime rates have skyrocketed, specially violent firearms-related ones, and things seldom seen there like security cameras, electric fences, private guards and such are thriving, while private citizens are constantly discouraged from defending themselves.
  • 1hogfan831hogfan83 Member Posts: 320 Member
    I thought Criminals loved gun laws.  Let's them know where they should rob, murder, rape, and massacre!  They especially like the buildings that are kind enough to post "gun free" zone.  I can't remember the last time I went to a movie but I especially carry when I go to a mall, movie, work or my child's school.  
    "Well he shoulda armed him self" William Munney-Unforgiven"
    "You believe there is one God, that is good, even the demons believe and shudder in fear" James 2:19
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 7,996 Senior Member
    bellcat said:
    And we have people who think guns are the problem and stricter gun control will limit violent behavior?
    Where thighbones are outlawed, only outlaws will have thighbones


    WWJMBD?

    "Nothing is safe from stupid." - Zee
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    The human race is an odd lot, taken in totality. Almost any scientific advance in any area stems from warfare. Medicine has made great advances since WWI in treating horrific wounds. People that died on the battlefield before no longer do in a lot of cases. Medevac in Korea and Vietnam refined that a great deal.

    But we still find new and interesting ways to kill one another. Airborne lasers are still being developed, and rail guns are now a reality. Frying the enemy with microwaves is possible now, too. Just using the lower power units for crowd control. Flamethrowers and napalm used to make crispy critters; now we can cook them anywhere from rare to well done with microwave energy.

    Nuclear weapons now aren't nearly as powerful as they could be. A lot of the 'fuel' is wasted because the atoms of a lot of the fuel don't undergo fission and fall as radioactive fallout. The fusion bombs suffer the same inefficiency. When we finally figure out how to crack the code to make E=MC squared to completely convert mass to energy, a bomb will be very small, and VERY powerful.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,105 Senior Member
    I remember seeing the plans and mockups for nuclear powered airliners. Think about that for a minute or three; I'll wait............................................. A crash could take out the whole airport for years while they tried to clean up the contaminated area.



    Things that make you scratch your noggin and ask, "What part of nuclear powered aircraft is a bad idea do you not understand?" :#


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