Remington 870 Tac-14 Modifications

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 20,620 Senior Member
Some might remember I got a Remington Tac-14 awhile back. 

It has been through several mod variations since then. For one reason or another, I didn’t like any of them. Until now. 





Took it to the range today to sight in the Aimpoint and test the recoil with 2-3/4” Reduced Recoil 00 Buck. Checking the pattern as well. 



Head is the result of a 10 yard shot pattern. 

Chest is from a 20 yard shot pattern. 

Recoil was very mild and while buckshot is not a long range endeavor and generally not my favoritte load, this set up should suffice for HD. 

I will be testing the recoil of slugs next, with the arm brace. Determine if they are a viable option (and the reason for the Aimpoint) and check zero. 
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 18,860 Senior Member
    Looks good.
    I've seen some deals on the 20ga models, or might have been the Mossberg version, but I figure BATFE is eventually going to change their mind on them, just like they have with the bump-stocks
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  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 15,059 Senior Member
    That looks like it will work...nice job!
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,604 Senior Member
    I recently viewed a print of a photo of some guns used by John Dillinger. One was a sawed off A5 with a short buttstock. I also read once that the 60's/70's era NYPD had some Ithaca 37's so configured for clearing buildings. In one of John Plaster's books about SOG operators in VN he describes one individual's preference for that type of gun.

    So there is past presidence. 
  • FisheadgibFisheadgib Senior Member Posts: 5,696 Senior Member
    Surprisingly that looks very similar to the Magpul 870 DM that I bought last spring but with 4" less barrel. When I posted about it on here, it was ridiculed by some. Picture that shotgun with a six round detachable magazine.
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #6
    Surprisingly that looks very similar to the Magpul 870 DM that I bought last spring but with 4" less barrel. When I posted about it on here, it was ridiculed by some. Picture that shotgun with a six round detachable magazine.
    The mag doesn’t make sense to me. Especially with the existence of the tube remaining. But hey, your gun, your preferences. 

    Folks probably think my little gun is stupid or weird. No worries. 

    Don’t remember your shotgun. Got pics to refresh my memory?

    👍🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • breamfisherbreamfisher Senior Member Posts: 13,104 Senior Member
    The tube makes sense as a support structure for the pump action. 
    Overkill is underrated.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    True
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #9
    At room distance, there is no denying the payload. Especially with slugs. They are the hand of God. 

    A shotgun  is easier on the ears as well. 

    But, an AR has considerably less recoil. Decidedly more precision. While being much easier to manipulate. 

    Think of it this way, my shotguns are the howitzer for the living room to the front door. 

    My ARs are for hunting and moving. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 9,729 Senior Member
    Buddy of mine has the Mossberg version.  Been kicking around the idea of getting one and setting it up with a 'brace' like that.  Seems like it would be a fun gun to mess around with
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    Curious to see how this works with the slugs.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    Could be painful. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    Could be painful. 
    It looks that way to me
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member

    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    Well, I got a wild hair to go try it tonight. Drove out to the gun club and used headlights. 



    2-3/4” Reduced Recoil Slug (x2)
    2-3/4” Reduced Recoil 00 Buck (x1)



    5yrds = Waist
    10yrds = Head
    20ytds = Chest

    Slug recoil was considerably more than the Buck. Tolerable, though. It ain’t a Range gun. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    Do you prefer the reduced recoil slug for home use?
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • das68das68 Posts: 661 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #17
     I also read once that the 60's/70's era NYPD had some Ithaca 37's so configured for clearing buildings. In one of John Plaster's books about SOG operators in VN he describes one individual's preference for that type of gun.

    So there is past presidence. 



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    I do know of a shoot keeper who carries his Ithaca 37 Deerslayer Police Special on a quad for when he needs to slamfire 8 x 2& 3/4 birdshot at his "fecking ferals".







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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    Do you prefer the reduced recoil slug for home use?
    It’s what I got. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 1,248 Senior Member
    I use the Winchester PDX1 Defender slugs.  Nothing reduced about the recoil on those.  Try them in a gun with a brace like that and you will likely have to get your shoulder surgically re-attached.  :D
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    I can’t imagine them feeling good. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #21
    So, I will pose the question to the masses. 

    If the anticipated distance was +/- 10 yards to the front door.........

    Given to same effectual zero at that distance but a disparity in recoil.....

    Which load would you use?

    Slug or Buck?


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    I think for home I would use the reduced slugs versus heavy loads....Distances are close and I would rather be able to control it easier, especially if I am not using the most solid stances/positions.  I don't see the benefit myself of a heavy slug load in that close.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    I was actually referring to buck or slug. 

    Sorry for the lack of clarification 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    I was actually referring to buck or slug. 

    Sorry for the lack of clarification 
    I don't know.
    I guess slug for precision. 
    It may be so close though that the buck shot would be just as precise.

    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #25
    Well, I have seen both slug and buck be absolutely devastating at close range on soft targets. 

    I have seen soft armor stop buck and slug but, the slug was still fatal. 

    Buck penetration sucks!  Slugs win in that area. 

    Buck, while effective up close on soft targets, loses its effectiveness quickly as distance increases. 

    Slugs are effective from point blank to wherever their accuracy renders them unsafe to engage. 

    So, the only advantage I see to the Buck is lower recoil and faster recovery shot to shot. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,604 Senior Member
    Price is another advantage to buck shot. Possibly not an applicable one but one nonetheless.
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,046 Senior Member
    I will stay with slugs.  That is what mine is loaded with.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 10,934 Senior Member
    I vote slug, we wear heavy coats in MN part of the year, more mass focused on a specific point. IIRC, didn't you run some range test on steel targets comparing buck and slug, you videoed yourself running and gunning? I thought you were in the slug camp after that.    
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  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #29
    Oh, I’m firmly in the slug camp. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 20,620 Senior Member
    But, I match the load to the tool, to the purpose. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • 10canyon5310canyon53 Member Posts: 1,248 Senior Member
    I have wavered between slugs and 00 buck.  Currently I keep my VEPR loaded with a 10 round magazine of 00 buck and a 10 round magazine loaded with the Winchester PDX1 Defender slugs as a backup.  This is a 5 round group of the Winchester slugs out of my VEPR at 50 yards, so I don't think accuracy is an issue at any distance I am likely to be shooting in self-defense.

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