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Culling Deer

ZeeZee Senior MemberPosts: 27,467 Senior Member
edited December 2018 in Hunting #1
Farmer friend of mine called and said that he had crops growing and that his depredation permits were active again. I needed to get busy shooting deer. 

Being as I have to process the meat  and can’t just ditch the bodies, I started taking “orders” from work as to how many guys wanted deer meat. Immediately had 5 takers so that means 5 deer needed to die for now. 

Problem is, I can’t take anyone with me to help who aren’t on the state approved “shooter” list. That sucks because it means I have to do all the work alone. 

Got to the farm at 9:52, checked the permits, saw several deer near the barn and grabbed my gear. 

Stalked over to the edge of the farm equipment and where the winter wheat was starting to sprout. There were 2 bucks laying down about 150 yards away. Many more further off. But, these two were the easiest. 

Got in the prone and aimed in on the first one who was laying quartering away with his back to me. The other was laying with his butt towards me and presented a harder shot. Plan was to drop the quartering away deer and figured the other would get up to run. Presenting a better shot. 

They were only 8 yards from each other. 

Anyway, aimed in on the quartering buck and sent a 168gr ELD-Match from my .308 Win through his shoulder. 

“Pppsssssssshhhhhht!”

”POP!”

And his head dropped. Dead. 

Quickly worked the bolt and located the other buck. Ready to shoot. Hell, the sucker hadn’t even flinched!  He was still laying there chewing his cud. Oblivious that his buddy was dead. Not 8 yards away. Gotta love suppressors. 

Well, with plenty of time now, I decided to take a head shot. Aimed below the ear on his broadside head and sent a round. 

In the silhouette of a blinking tower light way off in the distance, I saw a halo of vapor jettison out the back side of his head as it dropped instantly to the ground. 

Two deer down and now the work. 

Arrived at 9:52 and had two deer dead by 10:08. 



Used my game cart to haul them both to the barn at the same time. Kinda awkward, but it worked. That cart continues to pay for itself over and over. 

Head shot was pretty simple. In and out. 



The body shot enrered high on the shoulder and angled forward. 



Smashing through the scapula, it plowed through about 6” of spine on its quartering drive forward and lodged under the hide of the off side neck (green arrow). 









It made a hole through the spine big enough to put my hand through. 









I absolutely love this bullet. 



Two down. More to go. 
"To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
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  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    Great start and good shooting
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,207 Senior Member
    If the Senate gets off their butts and passes the bill that came out of the house to de-list timber wolves, I know some "Farmers" in Northern MN that would let you hunt.......probably should get Luis in on that too with his success rate.

    We would have been ecstatic to see those bucks this year, nice shooting, again, and good autopsy report, again. 
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    CHIRO1989 said:
    If the Senate gets off their butts and passes the bill that came out of the house to de-list timber wolves, I know some "Farmers" in Northern MN that would let you hunt.......probably should get Luis in on that too with his success rate.

    We would have been ecstatic to see those bucks this year, nice shooting, again, and good autopsy report, again. 
    Would be kinda fun to hunt MN in the winter. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 12,046 Senior Member
    you can't even have the "eaters" back at the barn to do the hard work?  Or is that too close to where you actually shot the deer?

    BTW, nice culls.  My brother got another cull last night on our lease as well.
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    you can't even have the "eaters" back at the barn to do the hard work?  Or is that too close to where you actually shot the deer?

    BTW, nice culls.  My brother got another cull last night on our lease as well.
    I went and got a buddy to help butcher after the “shooting” was done. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    Looks like you can just about take that bullet for granted.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    On a side note, my buddy wanted me to try out his new Outdoor Edge razor blade knife to see what I thought. 



    It sucks for general cleaning/butchering. 

    Razorblade is too soft a meral Metal and the edge rolls over after contact wirh bone. 

    I told him it was too much like “work” using that knife as I had to actually slice and work the blade to cut. 

    With mine, I can just apply pressure and they will cut. 

    It gets a resounding thumbs down!!👎🏻 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Looks like you can just about take that bullet for granted.
    Sucker works!

    I probably wouldn’t tackle an elk with one. Unless I could be very picky about the shot. But, medium game?  All day long. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Uncle FesterUncle Fester Senior Member Posts: 1,569 Senior Member
    Zee said:
    On a side note, my buddy wanted me to try out his new Outdoor Edge razor blade knife to see what I thought. 



    It sucks for general cleaning/butchering. 

    Razorblade is too soft a meral Metal and the edge rolls over after contact wirh bone. 

    I told him it was too much like “work” using that knife as I had to actually slice and work the blade to cut. 

    With mine, I can just apply pressure and they will cut. 

    It gets a resounding thumbs down!!👎🏻 
    I noticed that knife in your photos. I figured it was a Havalon and was going to ask if you like it.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Got two more tonight. Now the work begins. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Used the .308 Win and 168gr ELD-Match for Depredation Permits. 

    Just got back home from butchering and cleaning up. 

    Autopsy and story tomorrow. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,244 Senior Member
    That makes 8 balls!
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 8,496 Senior Member
    Busy man!
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    That makes 8 balls!
    And 4 hearts!!

    Heck of a meal. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 7,928 Senior Member
    It's interesting, and I think telling that a professional, when seriously tasked, picks the non-glamorous old reliable 308win using a load of the same discription.

    And proceeds to use it to great effect.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Keeping it simple. 👍🏻
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    So, went out again last night. Showed up at the barn and there were several deer close by. Two bucks were fighting and preoccupied. Allowing me to sneak up to within 108 yards of them. Got prone and waited for them to stop the shoving match. 

    Soon, they broke up and started circling each other. When one stopped broadside, I put a 168gr ELD-Match behind his shoulder, slightly quartering forward and he dropped on the spot. 









    Exit through ribs and shoulder. 







    This one was pretty straightforward. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    The second buck took off running. I worked the bolt and found him in the scope. Lead him a bit and fired. 

    He cartwheeled to a stop and laid there kicking. 

    As I was walking up to him, he regained his feet and started walking away from me across the field. Obviously not feeling good, his head was hanging low and he had a stumbling pace. 

    With no shot but up his butt, I walked after him across the field until he finally turned broadside and stopped 200 yards away. 

    I sent another round behind his shoulder and at the shot, he hunched up, walked a few steps, laid down, and that was it. 

    First shot thrned out to be in the neck, just above the spine. Close enough to stun, drop him, and obviously jack him up. But, not immediately fatal. 

    Upon cleaning him, I discovered the round had broke off the top of a vertebra but not damaged the spinal cord.

    ”Missed it by.....THAT much!”

















    Crisis averted!
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    On another note:

    I tried out a new knife from Bubba Blades. 

    It is a pretty fancy knife with a flex blade that gets stupid sharp!!  Very thin and very pointed, it took some getting used to in order to properly function the blade without poking holes in everything. Including me. 

    The flex led thing is new to me and a little disconcerting. I get it for cleaning fish, but working around bones on larger animals, it’s kind of a pain. At least when I’m used to manipulating a blade one way and have to alter that to another because of the flex. 

    But cut?  Hell yeah, it could. 



    The handle is very comfortable. 

    I am NOT a fan of serrated blades. Only reason I got this one is because it was half the price of a non-serrated blade. Now I know why. 

    Serrated blades hang up and stall on hide (and clothing). Not slicing through like a finely sharpened blade. But, ripping and tearing with a necessary excessive force. Useless!!!

    Jury is still out. 

    Its just darn hard to beat my Cold Steel Comercial blades. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Dropped off 70 and 67 pounds (respectively) of meat at the Meat Market this morning. 

    Gonna feed a couple of my buddies and their growing families. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 14,207 Senior Member
    I am always amazed what a whitetail can do after taking a round. I would think the trauma from fracturing a cervical vertebrae would have been plenty.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 12,144 Senior Member
    Some families are going to eat well.
    Thanks for sharing your ecperience
    Logistics cannot win a war, but its absence or inadequacy can cause defeat. FM100-5
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Just realized I posted the wrong exit on the second buck. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #25
    CHIRO1989 said:
    I am always amazed what a whitetail can do after taking a round. I would think the trauma from fracturing a cervical vertebrae would have been plenty.
    I am amazed as well, sometimes. 

    How little it takes to drop one at times and how much punishment they can take at others. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    edited December 2018 #26
    Diver43 said:
    Some families are going to eat well.
    Thanks for sharing your ecperience
    That they are. I still have more “orders” to fill. 

    One guy I gave a deer to on Friday sent me these pics of a Backstrap he cooked today. 





    Cream cheese/chives/bacon bit stuffed Backstrap with two layers of wrapped bacon. 

    I gotta try that some time. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,770 Senior Member
    I always enjoy seeing your results.  Seeing how bullets behave and perform on game is fascinating.
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Thanks. It’s fun and educational for me as well 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Great OutdoorsGreat Outdoors Member Posts: 326 Member
    Zee- awesome thread as usual. I look forward to them every time I visit the site.

  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 27,467 Senior Member
    Thank you, Sir. I just share what I learn. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,155 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #31
    Great work, as usual, and excellent of you to get meat into so many freezers.  That ELD-M is really impressive.  The penetration and subsequent wound channel on that first body shot deer is astounding considering the bullet's construction.  Very good performance.

    As for the Outdoor Edge and similar replaceable blade knives, I'm pretty much of the same opinion: they are fine for field dressing and skinning duty, put they are not worth the trouble doing any butchering or other heavy lifting whatsoever.  You'll  go through blades like crazy unless you are excruciatingly careful with them.  Not worth the trouble.
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
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