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  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,929 Senior Member
    I like my Mossberg 500. Ordered a pistol stock for it. It was all desert tan so I painted my own camp pattern on it. Shoots well and has never had a hiccup. I'm with Zee on one thing. The button to release the slide is in a stupid place compared to other shotguns. There are ways around it though just have to get used to it. It's by the bed and IIRC it has 8 rounds in it.
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    I think I have a used 870 barrel at the shop. Not sure of the length but I can always cut it down and crown it if you’re interested.
  • BigslugBigslug Senior Member Posts: 8,262 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    From what I have been able to come up with in regards to the 870 having issues (only applies to fairly new production ones) is that the machining on the barrels sucks and the rim of the shell gets caught up and allows the extractor to slip off the rim.  This seems to be more of an issue with lower end ammunition than higher end stuff.
    That's a common thing to see on 870's that have some miles on them - if I'm interpreting your post correctly.  The face of the bolt smacks the rear of the barrel in two spots, kneading the steel of the barrel into the rim cut of the chamber.  The test for this is to pull the barrel off and drop a shell into the chamber.  If it falls out under it's own weight, you're good.  If it sticks, a little gentle filing of the lip will clear it.
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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    Check the used racks for an old 870 that's close to the right size you want.

    I've read that the old Win model 12s run like water down a hill, but well, you know the rest.

    Who knows, if you haunt a few pawn shops and LGSs ya might find an old Ithaca 37 or a Stevens.

    Ive got a Mossberg 88. Not top drawer but its never had a failure.
    You can hold the trigger down on a model 12 and pump away. Great shotguns.
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    I think I have a used 870 barrel at the shop. Not sure of the length but I can always cut it down and crown it if you’re interested.
    I dont really want to be playing the barrel swap game with the current 870.  I will have to start perusing the local new and used racks.  

    Bigslug said:
    That's a common thing to see on 870's that have some miles on them - if I'm interpreting your post correctly.  The face of the bolt smacks the rear of the barrel in two spots, kneading the steel of the barrel into the rim cut of the chamber.  The test for this is to pull the barrel off and drop a shell into the chamber.  If it falls out under it's own weight, you're good.  If it sticks, a little gentle filing of the lip will clear it.
    My understanding is that its an issue with newer production 870s right out of the box.  Not all, but a QC issue that affects enough of them.   It is fixable at home though.


  • Big ChiefBig Chief Senior Member Posts: 32,995 Senior Member
    I have two Mossbergs. One a 'Mariner' the shorter model with a cylinder bore. I bought it back about 96 or so. It came with a pistol grip kit. I tried it and put the stock back on real quick. Firing Buckshot was brutal with the pistol grip, and duplex loads/rabbit loads were no fun either. Birdshot after about 20 or so was enough.

    The other one is a 500 too. It is a full sized bird gun. It belonged to my late FIL he got from K-mart. I doubt if he fired it over 20 times. I have never fired it.

    For my purposes they are all I'll ever need.
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  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    While im not opposed to a double, the trend around here lately has been groups of 2-3 entering homes.  While its not terribly common in my neighborhood, it is happening a little more regularly than it used to.

    I have 0 experience with any of the AK based shotgun designs.  Like most other auto loaders, it just has more bits and pieces that could potentially fail and cause a problem.  Given the direction the political climate is headed, not a gamble I want to take anyways.

    Given my past experience with the 870 in 20 gauge, I already tend to lean that way.  Any reason you are not a Mossberg fan, Zee?  I have not heard much against them.
    Banzai Burglars.  If one keeps coming after dropping two, I'd think of moving.
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  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,798 Senior Member
    I have a Remington 870 Express with 18" IC barrel and 7 shot magazine, that I like well enough. But I really bought it for Mrs. Bisley. I like the Mossberg 590 with the 20" IC barrel and all metal parts and long magazine. Until I spring for one, though, I've got a 20" barrel on my Stoeger M2000 semi-auto that I used to dove hunt with. It holds five, without the plug, and is very reliable.
  • GilaGila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member
    I have two 12 gauge 870s.  One is my bird gun, and this is the one I modified...


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  • snake284snake284 Senior Member Posts: 22,394 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #41
    I've got the 870 that I bought cheap and had to replace the ejector and the butt stock. It runs fine. The barrel is still 28" long but I can handle it fine in or out of the house. I like the longer barrel. It helps
    me get on target quicker. 

    I also like the Mossberg and the model 12. Any of those are good for me.

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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,167 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #42
    Gene L said:
    mitdr774 said:
    While im not opposed to a double, the trend around here lately has been groups of 2-3 entering homes.  While its not terribly common in my neighborhood, it is happening a little more regularly than it used to.

    I have 0 experience with any of the AK based shotgun designs.  Like most other auto loaders, it just has more bits and pieces that could potentially fail and cause a problem.  Given the direction the political climate is headed, not a gamble I want to take anyways.

    Given my past experience with the 870 in 20 gauge, I already tend to lean that way.  Any reason you are not a Mossberg fan, Zee?  I have not heard much against them.
    Banzai Burglars.  If one keeps coming after dropping two, I'd think of moving.
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    How about 5? .... https://forums.gunsandammo.com/discussion/38312/three-people-are-fatally-shot-and-two-others-are-wounded-in-gun-battle-which-erupted-during-a-home#latest
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    The suburb I live in is close enough to a crappy enough city even dropping two probably wouldnt deter the third a whole lot, especially if the third knew you only had two rounds in the shotgun.  Moving is not really an option right now due to the cost to move to the area I would like to move to.  Even there, there are issues with B&E although usually there it is a meth head and not a group of people.
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #44
    Rem 870 TAC 14 is $270 at PSA. Add a pistol "stock". 
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,025 Senior Member
    JKP said:
    Rem 870 TAC 14 is $270 at PSA. Add a pistol "stock". 

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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    For home use I am good with a proper butt stock.  That  looks painful to shoot.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #47
    I've owned 4 of 5 different Mossberg 500's and a 590. I have never had an issue with any of them. Yes the Remingtons are a bit smoother, but the Mossbergs are built to take abuse and keep going. I think the 20 ga is the sweet spot for HD. Not as large as the 12 making it a bit faster, and even in the standard 500, you get 6 rounds versus 5 in the 12 ga. 

    My 20 after a time was very quick. I could put lead downrange VERY quickly for something not a semi-auto. 

    As for a pistol grip 12......pass, the 20 is easy to shoot that way, the 12 is harder to tame, doable but harder. I converted my 12ga 500 back. 
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  • AntonioAntonio Senior Member Posts: 2,696 Senior Member
    A cool video is better than 1,000 words:



  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #49
    The blooper reel at the end is the most telling. MANY guffaws and slow downs. Training is your friend. You don't want to be unfamiliar when the heat is on.

    Thinking a carbine is a better idea, shorter, more ammo. 

    That is the biggest thing no one is taking about. A full sized shotgun is LONG and god forbid you need to room clear, as it will get there long before you do. 

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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    I have watched that video.  It was a bit entertaining.

    I feel an 18.5" barrel shotgun would be just fine for home.  Not a fan of using a rifle in a home.
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    I was thinking a pistol caliber carbine with a roughly 16 inch barrel. Shorter than a shotgun. 
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    I have one of those in 10mm and dont trust it for much accuracy.  From a bench it is a 30 yard gun.  If Im going to have a spread pattern anyways, might as well use a shotgun.  Also a PCC brings me back to not wanting an auto loader for a primary HD firearm.
  • Gene LGene L Senior Member Posts: 11,743 Senior Member
    What everyone is ignoring on this thread is the possibility of the Zombie apocalypse which is going to happen.  A shotgun is fine for your bedroom, but what about the legion of the undead in your front yard craving your brain as food? 

    They're slow, but it takes a head shot to halt them. 
    Concealed carry is for protection, open carry is for attention.
  • JayhawkerJayhawker Moderator Posts: 16,928 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    I have one of those in 10mm and dont trust it for much accuracy.  From a bench it is a 30 yard gun.  If Im going to have a spread pattern anyways, might as well use a shotgun.  Also a PCC brings me back to not wanting an auto loader for a primary HD firearm.
    At HD ranges that "spread" isn't as big as you might think...
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  • Diver43Diver43 Senior Member Posts: 10,925 Senior Member
    Gene L said:
    What everyone is ignoring on this thread is the possibility of the Zombie apocalypse which is going to happen.  A shotgun is fine for your bedroom, but what about the legion of the undead in your front yard craving your brain as food? 

    They're slow, but it takes a head shot to halt them. 
    Ot only takes one in the brain so a Ruger 10-22 with lots of magazines
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  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    Jayhawker said:
    mitdr774 said:
    I have one of those in 10mm and dont trust it for much accuracy.  From a bench it is a 30 yard gun.  If Im going to have a spread pattern anyways, might as well use a shotgun.  Also a PCC brings me back to not wanting an auto loader for a primary HD firearm.
    At HD ranges that "spread" isn't as big as you might think...
    I am aware of this, but with how the 10mm PCC falls apart in accuracy I would rather just have the shotgun.  I would be shocked if the current setup had more than a 6" pattern down the length of my hallway.  Full choke with 7/8 oz target load.
  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 1,756 Senior Member
    Tugar, nobody was talking about  28" barreled shotgun. The video was using a 18.5" barrel and that is what to OP was about, a short barreled shotgun for HD. 

    The video does raise one question in my mind, how does a pistol grip shoulder stock handle and feel under recoil?
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  • GilaGila Posts: 1,828 Senior Member
    Freezer said:
    Tugar, nobody was talking about  28" barreled shotgun. The video was using a 18.5" barrel and that is what to OP was about, a short barreled shotgun for HD. 

    The video does raise one question in my mind, how does a pistol grip shoulder stock handle and feel under recoil?
    It is possible to put a recoil pad on the butt of any stock for the wussified...  :D
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  • shotgunshooter3shotgunshooter3 Senior Member Posts: 5,742 Senior Member
    If I were you I would just buy a 18.5" Remington 870 off the rack and run with it, a police model if at all possible . Supposedly new Remingtons are of dubious QC, but 100 or so rounds of your preferred HD load should realistically put any uncertainty to rest.

    For me personally, my HD gun is my EDC Glock 19, and I don't "rotate" my carry guns either. In the nightmare situation that my life is actually on the line, I want to keep it as simple as possible. Additionally, at the engagement ranges in my house any shotgun load will still be one large mass. So I don't have the advantage of the spread of pellets, I have a more rudimentary sighting system, a gun that's harder to navigate closed spaces with, it's louder and kicks more, AND I'm far less familiar with the gun than the handgun I shoot at least monthly and dry fire daily. No thanks. 
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  • bobbyrlf3bobbyrlf3 Senior Member Posts: 2,543 Senior Member
    I keep a Winchester 1300 Defender at the ready.  I added an AR stock and it works perfectly for me.  
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  • FreezerFreezer Senior Member Posts: 1,756 Senior Member
    Gila said:
    Freezer said:
    Tugar, nobody was talking about  28" barreled shotgun. The video was using a 18.5" barrel and that is what to OP was about, a short barreled shotgun for HD. 

    The video does raise one question in my mind, how does a pistol grip shoulder stock handle and feel under recoil?
    It is possible to put a recoil pad on the butt of any stock for the wussified...  :D
    Actually newbie, I was talking about how it would effect your wrist. The guys in the video were complaining about hand pain from the recoil. 

    To be proficient with any firearm you have to practice and you won't practice with a gun that hurts you or isn't comfortable. 
    I like Elmer Keith; I married his daughter :wink:
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