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  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,263 Senior Member
    RugerFan said:
    The husband of a teacher I work with works at the Winchester ammo factory in N. MS.

    I'll see if he can get some info. 
    :popcorn:
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,346 Senior Member
    RugerFan said:
    The husband of a teacher I work with works at the Winchester ammo factory in N. MS.

    I'll see if he can get some info.


    UPDATE:
    He works in a different dept but will try to get info. 

    I asked specifically for bullet diameter
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,263 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Man, I wish we were on a forum hosted by the premier gun magazine in the States that had someone who could ask for clarification. 
    Anyone have Scott Mayer’s info?
    #ohnoyoudinnint
    #ohyeshedid
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,318 Senior Member
    If it’s .357 diameter..........there will be animals killed by a Contender Pistol barrel........I can almost promise. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,318 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #66
    My .35 Rem Contender is getting 1,958 fps with a 180gr XTP and what I think is a 14” barrel. 

    My .357 Mag Contender is getting 1,586 fps with the same bullet in a 12” barrel. 

    My Dominator in .35 Rem is getting 2,242 fps with a 158gr XTP from a 15” barrel. 

    I don’t know what barrel length they are using for the .350 Legend. 

    It will be interesting to compare. 


    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member
    I really am interested in seeing what platforms this will start being offered in
    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,318 Senior Member
    .358cal has always been a pet caliber of mine. 

    Doesn’t have the BC and Speed of others. It just damn well works in a paltry manner. 
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    Maybe I’m missing something here, and I DO NOT reload, but if you boys are interested in .357 bullets, why don’t you just roll your own anyway? Custom dies can be made to order as most of you know. I’m doubting that a factory load is gonna stop ya.
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    Ah. But for the self doer, barrel blanks are pretty reasonably priced. 
  • FFLshooterFFLshooter Member Posts: 1,057 Senior Member
    I always go the extra expense and just rent the reamer. Again, I don’t reload so I know **** about it, but couldn’t a person just use 223 brass and have it neck sized for a .357 bullet? Not straight walled but I assume it could work.
  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    Hey... $20 is $20.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,481 Senior Member
    .223 brass does not like being opened up to accept a .358 diameter bullet.  You end up expanding the case mouth to well past the body dimension at the start of the shoulder.  Its doable, but a multi step process of necking up.  
  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,263 Senior Member
    edited January 2019 #74
    Or, you can just buy a batch of 223 Basic brass from starline, trim it 0.09" to 1.71" and be done with it EZPZ (see post #10)
    https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/223-Basic/
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,561 Senior Member
    What KP said on the brass
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,561 Senior Member
    It will headspace off of the mouth, so make sure your case OAL is correct and consistent
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,481 Senior Member
    Something like this??  Of the 20 I pulled and measured, these were the shortest at 1.791"


  • JermanatorJermanator Senior Member Posts: 16,131 Senior Member
    Yep. And you are going to have a minimum and maximum case length that you really need to stick to.
    Reason obeys itself; and ignorance submits to whatever is dictated to it.
    -Thomas Paine
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,318 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    Something like this??  Of the 20 I pulled and measured, these were the shortest at 1.791"


    Uh........something just......uh....came up. 

    That picture makes me feel kinda funny. Like the rope in gun class. 

    I need a cigarette. 

    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • bullsi1911bullsi1911 Moderator Posts: 11,242 Senior Member

    To make something simple is a thousand times more difficult than to make something complex.
    -Mikhail Kalashnikov
  • RugerFanRugerFan Senior Member Posts: 2,346 Senior Member
    RugerFan said:
    RugerFan said:
    The husband of a teacher I work with works at the Winchester ammo factory in N. MS.

    I'll see if he can get some info.


    UPDATE:
    He works in a different dept but will try to get info. 

    I asked specifically for bullet diameter
    No info. 
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,991 Senior Member
    knitepoet said:
    Or, you can just buy a batch of 223 Basic brass from starline, trim it 0.09" to 1.71" and be done with it EZPZ (see post #10)
    https://www.starlinebrass.com/brass-cases/223-Basic/
    While looking for reloading ideas, I came across this article and this guy makes an argument against using .223 brass to reload the 350. You guys decide.

    "There has been speculation that we might be able to load this new round in .223 Remington based brass, especially Starline’s offering of 223 Basic.  Now that we can see the numbers listed on the SAAMI drawing I don’t believe that will be a viable option.  You can find the actual SAAMI spec sheet here:  https://saami.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/01/350-Legend-Public-Introduction.pdf



    When we compare the drawing for this with the drawing for .223 Remington we can see that everything from the base of the case to the arrow at letter A is identical.  The measurements at letter B are different however.  At this point the 223 case measures .3579″ while the 350 case measures slightly larger at .3900″.  That may not seem like much of a difference, but it’s significant enough that using 223 brass in the 350 chamber would likely result in a blown case head.  The 350 Legend is rated at a maximum average pressure of 55,000 psi...

    ...The bullet diameter is listed as .3570″ -- The Reloaders Network

    https://thereloadersnetwork.com/2019/01/31/350-legend-specifications/

    The article is a good read if you have a minute or so.





    Never argue with stupid people, they will drag you down to their level and then beat you with experience -- Mark Twain
    How easy it is to make people believe a lie, and [how] hard it is to undo that work again! -- Mark Twain

  • Ernie BishopErnie Bishop Senior Member Posts: 7,561 Senior Member
    Good stuff.
    Will be interesting once all of it becomes available.
    Ernie

    "The Un-Tactical"
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,481 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #84
    I question the measurement at point B.  If A is equal between the two, then the 350 grows about 0.016" from point A to point B and a .223 shrinks the same amount over that same span.  My .223 basic brass is 0.374 at point A and 0.372 at the case mouth.


    Per some quick Quick Load figuring with new brass and the bullets I have available I should be able to push a 180gr Speer SP to about 2250 FPS, or the Hornady 200gr offerings to 2000-2100 FPS (depending on bullet used, FTX, RN, or SP), or even the Hornady 250gr SPRP to 1800 FPS while staying below 46,000 PSI.  This keeps me below the maximum press for the case with a +10% lot to lot burn rate variation fudge factor.
  • CHIRO1989CHIRO1989 Senior Member Posts: 12,817 Senior Member
    cpj said:
    Ah. But for the self doer, barrel blanks are pretty reasonably priced. 
    Ah. But for the self doer, barrel blanks are pretty reasonably priced. 


    Ive got a Savage axis in .223 thats never shot that great, it may get hacked up. 



    Now there's an idea, interesting.
    I take no pleasure in the death of the wicked, but rather that they turn away from their ways and live. Eze 33:11
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,481 Senior Member
    If it truly is enough different that it wouldnt be wise to use .223 brass in a 350 chamber, that just makes me like the idea of using .223 basic and stuffing a .358 bullet in it at a trim length of 1.790 all the more.  It wont fit a 350 chamber and per my Quick Load tinkering I can push to higher velocities if I push pressure higher than the approximately 45k PSI im basing things off of now.  I still need to check a few more measurements and consult with someone that knows far more than I do about will and wont work for chamber dimensions and case dimensions and taper.  

    With a .358 bullet seated in the case I am at .376 where the bullet is inside the case.  Clearly I would have to allow the back of the case to expand to greater than its current dimension and then have dies made that will keep this new taper to the case.  Say something like a sized case with a base diameter of .378 and a taper down to .376 with a bullet seated in the case.  I see no reason a .223 basic case couldnt survive that amount of stretch in that area of the case, and it would still allow 0.002" taper to help with extraction of fired brass.  If it turns out that it can be done with no taper than it would be even easier on the brass to only have to expand to .376 over its current .374.
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,481 Senior Member
    A little family portrait for Zee.


  • knitepoetknitepoet Senior Member Posts: 21,263 Senior Member
    I am already thinking about my custom 164gr LBT mould. I am thinking it would make a good all purpose plinking bullet
    Seven Habits of Highly Effective Pirates, Rule #37: There is no “overkill”. There is only “open fire” and “I need to reload”.


  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,832 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #89
    cpj said:
    But since that kind of work is what keeps me out of the bus station bathrooms...
    Not always. We have pictures to prove it! :D
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • ZeeZee Senior Member Posts: 24,318 Senior Member
    mitdr774 said:
    A little family portrait for Zee.


    :visualoverload:
    "To Hell with efficiency, it's performance we want!" - Elmer Keith
  • Six-GunSix-Gun Senior Member Posts: 8,150 Senior Member
    As far as the 9mm bullet mistake (and it is a mistake) that WW is making, the only salvation is going to be putting out a reasonable selection of purpose-built bullets that can take the velocity required for effective hunting.  In other words, they need to reinvent the wheel and make some .357 mag-equivalent projectiles in .355" that would be worth mentioning.  Seems like an unnecessary convolution when they could've done the smart thing and make it a handloader's paradise from the giddy up.

    I'll go out on a limb and assert that with any new round, those who buy factory ammo will continue to do so while those who reload will generally refuse to buy factory-only ammo. 
    Accuracy: because white space between bullet holes drives me insane.
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