New Green Deal

kansashunterkansashunter Senior MemberPosts: 1,411 Senior Member
I really hope that they do their best to pass legislation that has the principals of this new deal.
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  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    Mitch McConnell wants that New Green Deal to be up for a vote in the Senate and get the Democrats on record as supporting gutting the economy.


    WASHINGTON – Sen. Majority Leader Mitch McConnell, R-Ky., is anxious to corner Senate Democrats – including several running for president in 2020 – on the Green New Deal, an ambitious plan to combat climate change and promote social justice that conservatives denounce as radical.

    McConnell told reporters Tuesday he plans to bring the resolution to a vote "to give everybody an opportunity to go on record to see how they feel about the Green New Deal."

    The non-binding measure is a proposal from Rep. Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez, D-N.Y., and Sen. Ed Markey, D-Mass.

    It has no chance of passing the GOP-controlled Senate.

    But such a vote could force as many as seven Senate Democrats who have announced, or are considering, a run for president to choose a side on the debate over the controversial measure that calls not only for a sharp transition to 100 percent renewable energy but also higher education, housing and job guarantees for all U.S. citizens.



    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member

    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member

    THE FOUR PILLARS OF THE GREEN NEW DEAL

    I - THE ECONOMIC BILL OF RIGHTS

    Our country cannot truly move forward until the roots of inequality are pulled up, and the seeds of a new, healthier economy are planted. Thus, the Green New Deal begins with an Economic Bill of Rights that ensures all citizens: 1. The right to employment through a Full Employment Program that will create 25 million jobs by implementing a nationally funded, but locally controlled direct employment initiative replacing unemployment offices with local employment offices offering public sector jobs which are "stored" in job banks in order to take up any slack in private sector employment.

    • Local communities will use a process of broad stakeholder input and democratic decisionmaking to fairly implement these programs.
    • Pay-to-play prohibitions will ensure that campaign contributions or lobbying favors do not impact decision-making.
    • We will end unemployment in America once and for all by guaranteeing a job at a living wage for every American willing and able to work.

    2. Worker's rights including the right to a living wage, to a safe workplace, to fair trade, and to organize a union at work without fear of firing or reprisal.

    3. The right to quality health care which will be achieved through a single-payer Medicare-for-All program.

    4. The right to a tuition-free, quality, federally funded, local controlled public education system from pre-school through college. We will also forgive student loan debt from the current era of unaffordable college education.

    5. The right to decent affordable housing, including an immediate halt to all foreclosures and evictions. We will:

    • create a federal bank with local branches to take over homes with distressed mortgages and either restructure the mortgages to affordable levels, or if the occupants cannot afford a mortgage, rent homes to the occupants;
    • expand rental and home ownership assistance;
    • create ample public housing; and,
    • offer capital grants to non-profit developers of affordable housing until all people can obtain decent housing at no more than 25% of their income.

    6. The right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

    7. The right to fair taxation that's distributed in proportion to ability to pay. In addition, corporate tax subsidies will be made transparent by detailing them in public budgets where they can be scrutinized, not hidden as tax breaks.

    II - A GREEN TRANSITION

    The second priority of the Green New Deal is a Green Transition Program that will convert the old, gray economy into a new, sustainable economy that is environmentally sound, economically viable and socially responsible. We will:

    1. Invest in green business by providing grants and low-interest loans to grow green businesses and cooperatives, with an emphasis on small, locally-based companies that keep the wealth created by local labor circulating in the community rather than being drained off to enrich absentee investors.

    2. Prioritize green research by redirecting research funds from fossil fuels and other dead-end industries toward research in wind, solar and geothermal. We will invest in research in sustainable, nontoxic materials, closed-loop cycles that eliminate waste and pollution, as well as organic agriculture, permaculture, and sustainable forestry.

    3. Provide green jobs by enacting the Full Employment Program which will directly provide 16 million jobs in sustainable energy and energy efficiency retrofitting, mass transit and "complete streets" that promote safe bike and pedestrian traffic, regional food systems based on sustainable organic agriculture, and clean manufacturing.

    III - REAL FINANCIAL REFORM

    The takeover of our economy by big banks and well-connected financiers has destabilized both our democracy and our economy. It's time to take Wall Street out of the driver's seat and to free the truly productive segments of working America to make this economy work for all of us. Real Financial Reform will:

    1. Relieve the debt overhang holding back the economy by reducing homeowner and student debt burdens.

    2. Democratize monetary policy to bring about public control of the money supply and credit creation. This means we'll nationalize the private bank-dominated Federal Reserve Banks and place them under a Monetary Authority within the Treasury Department.

    3. Break up the oversized banks that are "too big to fail."

    4. End taxpayer-funded bailouts for banks, insurers, and other financial companies. We'll use the FDIC resolution process for failed banks to reopen them as public banks where possible after failed loans and underlying assets are auctioned off.

    5. Regulate all financial derivatives and require them to be traded on open exchanges.

    6. Restore the Glass-Steagall separation of depository commercial banks from speculative investment banks.

    7. Establish a 90% tax on bonuses for bailed out bankers.

    8. Support the formation of federal, state, and municipal public-owned banks that function as non-profit utilities. Under the Green New Deal we will start building a financial system that is open, honest, stable, and serves the real economy rather than the phony economy of high finance.


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member

    IV - A FUNCTIONING DEMOCRACY

    We won't get these vital reforms without a fourth and final set of reforms to give us a real, functioning democracy. Just as we are replacing the old economy with a new one, we need a new politics to restore the promise of American democracy. The New Green Deal will:

    1. Revoke corporate personhood by amending our Constitution to make clear that corporations are not persons and money is not speech. Those rights belong to living, breathing human beings - not to business entities controlled by the wealthy.

    2. Protect our right to vote by supporting Rep. Jesse Jackson, Jr.'s proposed "Right to Vote Amendment," to clarify to the Supreme Court that yes, we do have a constitutional right to vote.

    3. Enact the Voter Bill of Rights that will:

    • guarantee us a voter-marked paper ballot for all voting;
    • require that all votes are counted before election results are released;
    • replace partisan oversight of elections with non-partisan election commissions;
    • celebrate our democratic aspirations by making Election Day a national holiday;
    • bring simplified, safe same-day voter registration to the nation so that no qualified voter is barred from the polls;
    • do away with so-called "winner take all" elections in which the "winner" does not have the support of most of the voters, and replace that system with instant runoff voting and proportional representation, systems most advanced countries now use to good effect;
    • replace big money control of election campaigns with full public financing and free and equal access to the airwaves;
    • guarantee equal access to the ballot and to the debates to all qualified candidates;
    • abolish the Electoral College and implement direct election of the President;
    • restore the vote to ex-offenders who've paid their debt to society; and,
    • enact Statehood for the District of Columbia so that those Americans have representation in Congress and full rights to self rule like the rest of us.

    4. Protect local democracy and democratic rights by commissioning a thorough review of federal preemption law and its impact on the practice of local democracy in the United States. This review will put at its center the "democracy question" – that is, what level of government is most open to democratic participation and most suited to protecting democratic rights.

    5. Create a Corporation for Economic Democracy, a new federal corporation (like the Corporation for Public Broadcasting) to provide publicity, training, education, and direct financing for cooperative development and for democratic reforms to make government agencies, private associations, and business enterprises more participatory.

    6. Strengthen media democracy by expanding federal support for locally-owned broadcast media and local print media.

    7. Protect our personal liberty and freedoms by:

    • repealing the Patriot Act and those parts of the National Defense Authorization Act that violate our civil liberties;
    • prohibiting the Department of Homeland Security and the FBI from conspiring with local police forces to suppress our freedoms of assembly and of speech; and,
    • ending the war on immigrants – including the cruel, so-called "secure communities" program.

    8. Rein in the military-industrial complex by

    • reducing military spending by 50% and closing U.S. military bases around the world;
    • restoring the National Guard as the centerpiece of our system of national defense; and,
    • creating a new round of nuclear disarmament initiatives.

    Let us not rest until we have pulled our nation back from the brink, and until we have secured the peaceful, just, green future we all deserve.

    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member
    6. The right to accessible and affordable utilities – heat, electricity, phone, internet, and public transportation – through democratically run, publicly owned utilities that operate at cost, not for profit.

    You can just look a the success of the USPS to see how well this will work......
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    This is what you guys are afraid of??????
  • Billy_BuddBilly_Budd Posts: 572 Senior Member
    This is what you guys are afraid of??????
    Afraid? Perhaps in another 4 billion years when the Sun consumes the last of its hydrogen, swells into a supergiant and fries us all. On the other hand, perhaps the democratic eco-terrorists will send some water missions to the Sun to cool things down a bit - with new taxes to fund such a measure of course.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member
    Just because they want to put control of jobs, minimum wage, agriculture, college education, heat, electricity, phone, internet, banks, and house mortgages all under the loving care of the Federal Government??

    What could possibly go wrong?

    Get rid of the electoral college?? It's about time we let California run the country!

    Obviously we under estimated the brilliance of Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez...... History will reveal her as the modern day Thomas Jefferson and James Madison all rolled into one!!
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    We can't even put up a fence. You think that whole camel's gonna fit through the keyhole????
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    I don't think Mitch has a glass.;-) 
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,054 Senior Member
    If all this were actually accomplished, we would have true totalitarianism under Fascism or Communism....take your pick. Nowhere in their plan does it say "confiscation of guns" which has been purposely left out for a reason.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,586 Senior Member
    edited February 13 #14
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    With the way our politics work these days, the more you guys hate her, the more liberals will love her. She actually owes the vast majority of her power and fame to right wing media outlets demonizing her as next great boogyman to be very very afraid of. Without them amplifying her profile she'd just be another freshman congresswoman making some noise on Twitter. She's basically the Michelle Bachmann of the left. 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,054 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    I never expected to have Jew-hating Muslims either.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,054 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    With the way our politics work these days, the more you guys hate her, the more liberals will love her. She actually owes the vast majority of her power and fame to right wing media outlets demonizing her as next great boogyman to be very very afraid of. Without them amplifying her profile she'd just be another freshman congresswoman making some noise on Twitter. She's basically the Michelle Bachmann of the left. 
    So we should basically shut tf up, and everything will be OK?
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,586 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    I never expected to have Jew-hating Muslims either.
    I'd like to hear a singles legitimate argument as to why pointing out that large swaths of Congress take huge sums of money from pro Israel lobbying groups is somehow anti-semitic? 
    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    With the way our politics work these days, the more you guys hate her, the more liberals will love her. She actually owes the vast majority of her power and fame to right wing media outlets demonizing her as next great boogyman to be very very afraid of. Without them amplifying her profile she'd just be another freshman congresswoman making some noise on Twitter. She's basically the Michelle Bachmann of the left. 
    So we should basically shut tf up, and everything will be OK?
    Not you/we.
    Right wing media outlets.
    They've elevated her and her agenda to a sensational grandiosity of un-American evil that rivals war time dehumanizing caricatures of enemy combatants.

    As alarming as some of the proposals might be. The over-reaction guarantees a spotlight.
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    alphasigmookie said:
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    With the way our politics work these days, the more you guys hate her, the more liberals will love her. She actually owes the vast majority of her power and fame to right wing media outlets demonizing her as next great boogyman to be very very afraid of. Without them amplifying her profile she'd just be another freshman congresswoman making some noise on Twitter. She's basically the Michelle Bachmann of the left. 
    You are missing the main point.

    Republicans have been accusing Democrats of socialism, since LBJ. The Democrats have been jumping through hoops for decades, redefining words and whatever semantic tricks they can come up with to distance themselves from the label of socialism. You are still doing it.

    Then, BINGO! Bernie Sanders, an avowed socialist, gains so much popular support that the DNC's anointed candidate has to fight for her political life to secure the nomination, despite all of the super delegate BS that was supposed to make it a slam-dunk. She loses focus, in the purple states, and loses the election. Then, other hard-core socialist candidates win congressional races, among them, a political moron from NYC who becomes a media darling and publicly states all of the socialist 'wet dreams' that the DNC had been suppressing from the media, for years.

    Now, every Republican can debate socialism vs. American capitalism, legitimately. It is what the argument has always been, but now, the media cannot 'honestly' condemn them for it, because they glamorize the socialists, all day, every day. The Democrats are now divided, and all the new presidential candidates in the Senate are about to be forced to publicly pick a side. They can no longer jump back and forth between the two factions. Some will still try, but it probably won't work.
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    That's the plan.

    Attempting to force politicians into the open could be an interesting spectacle.👀👓
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member
    Exactly. And there are political minefields to be maneuvered through, for Republicans, too.

    I place myself in the 'principled realism' sector, which has grown very small in the Republican Party, through the years. I am basically conservative/libertarian, but I completely understand that majority rule that does not attempt to assimilate the disenfranchised is not much better than any of the other political sects. I have a 'heart,' and will occasionally make a decision on some subjects that is not purely realistic or logical, but I will try to temper such decisions with honest logic, inasmuch as I am capable of doing so..
  • alphasigmookiealphasigmookie Senior Member Posts: 8,586 Senior Member
    Bisley, you may find this article interesting.

    https://fivethirtyeight.com/features/is-socialism-still-an-effective-political-bogeyman/

    There is definitely a very clear change in framing attempting to take place here. Republicans definitely trying to label and demonize liberals as socialists, but at least a segment of liberals attempting to reclaim and redefine the word. It will be interesting to see how this plays out, but the trend is definitely in the direction of "Socialism" becoming less effective as a smear than it used to be. Part of that is that socialism is shifting to mean more that the government takes a more active role in regulating the economy and supports policies designed help and lift up the working class while attempting to limit the political power of the elite. This definition does not really match the traditional definition of socialism (government ownership of capital and the means of production). More importantly for this debate, very few policies being advocated for by self avowed "socialists" would fit the traditional definition of socialism. That said, to the dismay of most small government conservatives, a lot of the policies now labeled as "socialist" are quite popular. And the more the term socialist is associated with things that are popular, the less sting the word will have as a smear.

    In short the tides are shifting. I would not be surprised if someone calling them self a socialist is elected president within the next decade. That said, because the current definition has become so divorced from it's original meaning it will not in fact mean that we are "becoming Venezuela" or any of the other outdated scare tactics. It will just mean that we will have elected a president who looks a bit more like FDR than Ronald Reagan. 


    "Finding out that you have run out of toilet paper is a good example of lack of preparation, buying 10 years worth is silly"
    -DoctorWho
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member
    edited February 13 #23
    It's like the DNC is ran by the two old guys from Trading Places movie.

     Say Mortimer, I bet we can get a guy that has never held a real job AND has a Muslim name elected President....... Twice!

     Well Randolph, I bet we can get a bartender with a room temperature IQ elected to Congress.......




    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    It's like the DNC is ran by the two old guys from Trading Places movie.

     Say Mortimer, I bet we can get a guy that has never held a real job AND has a Muslim name elected President....... Twice!

     Well Randolph, I bet we can get a bartender with a room temperature IQ elected to Congress.......




    This is animus over content. It may be very amusing, especially coming from someone obviously concerned enough with content to post it in depth here. But if the congressional, and subsequent public debate follows that line, gaining supportive electorate will become an imposing hurdle.

    I think this whole thing might get cleverly side stepped. If not it will be interesting. There is though, as Bisely says a minefield or two.
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 9,458 Senior Member
    It took 30 seconds to copy and paste.

    I have seen the headlines, but this is the first I saw all of the 'ideas' in the deal........


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    That one's actually alot funnier.  😆
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 25,768 Senior Member
    edited February 13 #27
    I can't wait to see how Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez tackles that railway across the Pacific Ocean to Hawaii, New Zealand, Australia, the islands in the Pacific, and the Far East, and the railway across the Atlantic to Europe and Africa. That's gonna be some VERY tall trestles across both oceans to get the tracks above the waves! :D :D :D :D :D

    Airplanes use fossil fuels and will be forbidden until they figure out the design for solar cells, and pedal powered generators at each seat on the plane.
    Do not meddle in the affairs of dragons, for you are crunchy and taste good with ketchup.


  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 3,252 Senior Member
    I think a few of those proposals are good. Some if not many absolutely lend themselves to ridicule.

    Cortez, her contemporaries, and the Green Deal are created by explicit invitation contained in the decades old focused intentional erosion of the middle class. This erosion is not fictitious conjecture and it's consequences are looming.
  • Make_My_DayMake_My_Day Senior Member Posts: 7,054 Senior Member
    edited February 14 #29
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    I never expected to have Jew-hating Muslims either.
    I'd like to hear a singles legitimate argument as to why pointing out that large swaths of Congress take huge sums of money from pro Israel lobbying groups is somehow anti-semitic? 
    There's no doubt in my mind she took money from anti-American and anti-Israel lobbyists, which makes her a hypocrite.
    JOE MCCARTHY WAS RIGHT:
    THE DEMOCRATS ARE THE NEW COMMUNISTS!
  • Billy_BuddBilly_Budd Posts: 572 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    Never thought we would have an openly Socialist congresswoman be the toast of the town.....
    She actually owes the vast majority of her power and fame to right wing media outlets demonizing her as next great boogyman to be very very afraid of. Without them amplifying her profile she'd just be another freshman congresswoman making some noise on Twitter. She's basically the Michelle Bachmann of the left. 
    Her "power"??? How brown shirt of you. Her election has nothing to with the conservative base but everything to do with today's uninformed blind sheep masses hell-bent on electing anti-American communists who want nothing more than to see this nation destroyed.    
  • bisleybisley Senior Member Posts: 10,552 Senior Member

    blah, blah, blah...

    In short the tides are shifting. I would not be surprised if someone calling them self a socialist is elected president within the next decade. That said, because the current definition has become so divorced from it's original meaning it will not in fact mean that we are "becoming Venezuela" or any of the other outdated scare tactics. It will just mean that we will have elected a president who looks a bit more like FDR than Ronald Reagan. 


    No need to keep repeating myself, here.

    Take all the polls you need, with all of the different 'new' definitions and perceptions that you can scrape up, or invent, and you still end up with zero examples of it ending the poverty that all versions of it purport to be a panacea for. Socialism, in all of its forms, is a lie that can be temporarily sold to the Democrat base, and any other group that has historically been easy to fool.

    I say 'temporarily' because only those who have adopted it as their religion or earn their livelihoods from selling it will continue to make excuses for it, for extended periods of time. There are more ex-Socialists out there than there are ex-smokers, and new 'meat' must to be continuously fed into the political machinery, to keep it functioning. It is why all of the left of center Democrats support open borders, and why they begin indoctrination at earlier ages, and why they encourage entire generations of entire families to live on government handouts. A person with real world experience, that understands the language, can only be fooled for a few years, at best, without continuous government gratuities of ever increasing size.

    By the way, your silly article takes its so called 'data' from 2015, before Democrats started openly admitting that they were socialists.
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