FINALLY getting The Wall !!!! (?)

horselips

If this national emergency thingy squirts thru the courts and the wall actually gets built, we should put Trumps face on a mountain.

earlyagain

It would look grand on a three dollar bill.

JerryBobCo

I'm not so sure.  Congress crammed a bill down his throat that has so many poison pills it's a wonder he's still breathing.  It's an open invitation to every pedophile who is here or can get here to pick the child they want to molest.

Jermanator

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/14/pelosi_democratic_president_will_now_be_able_to_declare_national_emergency_on_guns.html

CaliFFL

horselips said:

If this national emergency thingy squirts thru the courts and the wall actually gets built, we should put Trumps face on a mountain.

If the national emergency thingy works, I'll wait for the next Democrat to pull the same with gun control, or the New Green Deal, or whatever BS they decide to force upon us. This crap works both ways. Just because your boy is trying it, doesn't mean it's a good thing down the road. This has dictator implications. 

Jermanator

One of Trump's biggest supporters (because of a wall) has her response: "The only national emergency is that our president is an idiot." Then: "The goal is to get Trump's stupidest voters to say "HE'S FIGHTING!" No he's not."

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/15/ann_coulter_the_only_national_emergency_is_that_our_president_is_an_idiot.html

I made my own opinion known in another thread. He crossed a line. Now it is time. I hope you enjoy the wall... if it ever happens.

zorba

CaliFFL said:

The national emergency thingy works, I'll wait for the next Democrat to pull the same with gun control, or the New Green Deal, or whatever BS they decide to force upon us. This crap works both ways. Just because your boy is trying it, doesn't mean it's a good thing down the road. This has dictator implications. 

All correct. Now Trump has one-upped Obama on the executive order business - and there will be a price to pay...

NN

So congress won't give Trump 5 billion, but, 1.4 billion.

The Commander in Chief declared an emergency and gets 6.5 billion plus 1.4 billion.

CaliFFL

Jermanator said:

https://www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2019/02/14/pelosi_democratic_president_will_now_be_able_to_declare_national_emergency_on_guns.html

Jesus, I was just speculating. From the article:

"You want to talk about a national emergency? Let's talk about today, the one year anniversary of another manifestation of the epidemic of gun violence in America," Pelosi said Thursday. "That's a national emergency. Why don't you declare that emergency, Mr. President? I wish you would. But a Democratic president can do that."

"Democratic president can declare emergencies as well," the Speaker warned. "So, the precedent that the President is setting here is something that should be met with great unease and dismay by the Republicans."

Jermanator

No speculating. And Chris...you were spot on before self editing (it was similar to one of Trump supporter, Ann's comments).

Jermanator

Billy_Budd said:

Democrats want to ban guns and do away with the 2nd Amendment? Gasps! That's news to me. /sarc. 

Yea... so let's have Trump plow the way forward to show them how in 23 more months. Brilliant!  Between that, and the "turn them in or you are a felon, bump stock ban"... I hope you really do think this wall is worth it. Wait until we have a "national emergency" banning fossil fuels. 

zorba

Didn't our ol' pal Adolf use similar tactics to gain control of the Reichstag?

Diver43

Jermanator said:

Billy_Budd said:

Democrats want to ban guns and do away with the 2nd Amendment? Gasps! That's news to me. /sarc. 

Yea... so let's have Trump plow the way forward to show them how in 23 more months. Brilliant!  Between that, and the "turn them in or you are a felon, bump stock ban"... I hope you really do think this wall is worth it. Wait until we have a "national emergency" banning fossil fuels. 

I don't dislike Trump like you do, but this action is plain old dumb.

Jermanator

Cider. Putin's.

Jermanator

Trump was spot on for taking back DACA because Obama stepped way beyond his presidential powers. I agreed with that on principle. To say that because Obama stepped way beyond his presidential powers so it is ok that Trump takes that even further... that is bad. Very bad.

I was hoping he would reign that crap in, but there is no restraint. This is not good. Even if I supported his idea of a wall, this would still creep me out. This is very dangerous. I am very concerned.

earlyagain

Those comments of Pelosi's were caculated in more ways than one. Don't let animus cloud anyone's perception of how clever and calculating politicians are. The results forthcoming will play into the future course of national emergency powers. Even Trump's mistakes don't necessarily guarantee what will or won't happen. If the courts hand him his ass, it will be a lesson for everyone.

breamfisher

He wins and gets the wall, his base is happy.

He loses? Activist judges who care more about illegals, he did all he could.

It's a win-win.

Jermanator

I can smell that sarcasm from here.

horselips

The Democrats are so mad over this it's likely Pelosi will have the House pass a bill revoking the power Trump used to get the Wall. The Senate will pass it and Trump will sign it, locking out all future Democratic presidents from doing the same thing. Watch it happen.

All Trump did in his declaration was move discretionary funds around. He did not attempt to negate the Constitution or even existing law as Obama did. A future president attempting to ban fossil fuels would meet with a revolt from both parties as soon as all the lights went out, and an attempt to infringe on gun rights would meet with considerable judicial resistance, especially from the Supreme Court.

What President Trump did today is not applicable to any of the nightmare scenarios suggested here so far. What a future Democratic president might do is declare the national emergency over with, and use his discretionary funds to dismantle the wall - doubtful after the people see how well the wall works. 

Trump did break any new ground, he did nothing new here, nothing that hasn't been done before lots and lots of times by past presidents of both parties. Relax. Our republic is intact, and soon to be safer.

FYI - the bill negotiated by Congress and signed by the president contained over $5 billion to help fund walls in Ukraine, Israel and Jordan. How's THAT for hypocrisy! Over 40 nations are right now building walls along their frontiers, over 800 miles of walls have already been constructed in Eastern Europe to stop illegal immigrants from the Middle East and North Africa.   

earlyagain

Hopeful redemption from underneath the bus isn't a win win, but its better than road rash.

FFLshooter

I may be wrong but I believe that a constitutional right can’t be cause for a national emergency. 2a

RugerFan

By Tuesday a judge will issue an injunction stopping Trump' s plan. It'll be tied up in court for a loooong time. Eventually, a judge will rule he can't do it.

Jermanator

FFLshooter said:

I may be wrong but I believe that a constitutional right can’t be cause for a national emergency. 2a

See Article 1, Section 9 of our constitution. Trump made that part of it give him oral. Obviously, I am not a Trump fan, but this is wrong. Not good. If this is somehow ok, anything can be interpreted as ok-- including 2A.  This predates 2A and breaks down the foundations of our republic.

FFLshooter

Just to be clear, I don’t support this “National Emergency” that Trump called, but Pelosi is wrong about it setting a bad precedent because like Rugerfan stated, it’ll get shut down by the Supreme Court. The political ball field is just another example of this world being overpopulated. I really do hate people.

Jermanator

If it doesn't get shut down legislatively, I hope to hell it gets shut down judicially. I may agree/disagree with the concept of a wall, but this is not the way to do it. It is frustrating, and I will probably never get the libertarian utopia that I want, but it is what we have. All things considered, it could be much worse and this is going to take us to the bottom quickly. This rocks the boat and takes us to the bottom much faster than necessary if it is left to stand.

I will not support any politician that supports this... and yes, I will be watching just like I did for every moron that voted for Obamacare and Cash for Cars. 

FFLshooter

Too much to explain but I feel like the POTUS (any), has way too much power. 

Jermanator

He is taking too much power. Clinton did it, Bush did it, Obama did it... Trump is doing it.... the whole concept of "just the tip" is going on right now. It is time to block and reverse that. Sadly for the Trump fans, the only way to do that is to oppose Trump.

Again, I was hoping that his reasons for pulling DACA was to back off on the whole presidential power thing (and it gave me some hope!), but that is obviously not the case.

jbp-ohio

Has anyone come up with a good answer why we waited two years until we had a Democratic majority to try and fund the wall?

Jermanator

...or when there was $25 billion on the table to build a wall? But it is an "emergency" now?

FFLshooter

Almost feels like a setup.

Jermanator

I agree.