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jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior MemberPosts: 10,164 Senior Member
This is the new Gladiator............



The doors still come off and the windshield still folds down................ Why?

This is the interior..............



Can you get that interior wet? Muddy??

Isn't this what Jeeps are for???




"The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    They still make OEM snorkels for the new Jeeps. Can anything in the dash of a new Jeep go underwater??


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    I would buy one if I NEEDED serious off road....I suspect the Rubicon model will climb nearly anything. But having owned Jeeps, I would pass because being a 4wd brick, the mileage is always going to suck. 


    JBP....go test drive one. Then you'll know. 
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  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    Plastic is water resistant???

  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    versus the new Land Rover Defender coming next year?!


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  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #6
    I am not talking about being anti tech. I love my back up camera and bluetooth stereo. Even the older Jeeps needed mods to go thru water. I'm just curious if it is possible or what would it take for a modern Jeep to go places a Jeep is supposed to go? You can say the same for trucks and other 4x4's but Jeeps were conceived for one reason...... off road

     I know we talked about the Gladiators a couple months ago, I  just saw a ad of them with the doors off and the windshield down. Which made me think about how electronic the interiors are now. Can they get wet?

    I know when you snorkeled the older models you had to waterproof the engine and electrical. Is that possible on the new Jeep? I have been off-roading back in the day (even paid entry into a 'mud bog' twice with my '84 Bronco) it isn't hard to get in water up to your seats. Now if your seats are electric adjustable and heated, what now?

    The trans is all electronic shift and the throttle is 'fly by wire'....... Hence the question, "Are they still Jeeps?'' 


    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • mitdr774mitdr774 Member Posts: 1,445 Senior Member
    Well, its produced and sold by a division of Fiat called Jeep so I would have to say that it is in fact a Jeep.  

    Between government requirements and consumer demands, you will be hard pressed to find any new vehicle that is what "they used to be". 
  • coolgunguycoolgunguy Senior Member Posts: 6,611 Senior Member
    The short answer is probably yes... and no. 

    Probably still off road capable... but not off road "ready", depending on the driver's definition of "off road".
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  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    Putting reliability aside and taking underwater excursions away the new Jeeps, especially the Rubicon and the like, are still very capable off road vehicles. 

    Drive most anything through a river up to the windshield and you're going to have issues. Snorkel or not. 
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member

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    Winston Churchill
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    JKP said:
    Putting reliability aside and taking underwater excursions away the new Jeeps, especially the Rubicon and the like, are still very capable off road vehicles. 

    Drive most anything through a river up to the windshield and you're going to have issues. Snorkel or not. 
    It was possible with modifications to run Jeeps up to the hood. Like I said, I saw the ad, saw a picture of the new interior and wondered if it could still be done with an electronic shifter on the floor. 

    I had water in my Bronco once (came in thru a rust hole in the floor). Pulled the seat out, pulled the carpet out and let it dry in the yard over the weekend (and pop riveted metal over the rust hole). You can't unplug new seats because they are calibrated for weight to turn off the smart airbags. Only the dealer can recalibrate
    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #13
    I think the answer is if you plan to use your jeep as a mud submarine, spend half the money, get the Mahindra Roxor, which is a diesel CJ2A.

    Then pop the ECU chip in so it can get out of it's own way, and you're good.

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    Winston Churchill
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,929 Senior Member
    Trust me. The snorkle has nothing to do with the interior. 6 friends of mine have hydro locked their motors in their new Jeeps hitting a water hole to fast and sucking water in the motor. Expensive mistake. When Donna first got her Jeep we were off roading at a OHV park. 2000 miles on the Jeep. She was in her Jeep and me in mine. She hit a water hole wide open. Water rolled over the hood. I held my breath and when she got to the other side I quickly said no no don't ever do that again. She got lucky.
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    dld said:
    My 49 CJ-A is about as basic as when Jeeps were Jeeps and not  yuppie jeeps for guys with man buns

    Now *that* is a goddamn Jeep. No stupid electronics, no stupid automatic transmission, no stupid anything. 3 or 4 gearshift levers (can't tell from these pix), what fun!
    I want one.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    Tugar said:
    I think the answer is if you plan to use your jeep as a mud submarine, spend half the money, get the Mahindra Roxor, which is a diesel CJ2A.

    Then pop the ECU chip in so it can get out of it's own way, and you're good.

    Our lovely Nanny State won't allow that vehicle on the roads.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • TugarTugar Senior Member Posts: 2,222 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #17
    https://www.dirtlegal.com/blog/2018/7/15/a-street-legal-roxor-will-save-time-money-and-your-marriage

    See if your state will allow you to add some parts to make it legal. I've built a few dune buggies over the years and had to jump through a few legal hoops

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    Winston Churchill
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    jbp-ohio said:
    This is the new Gladiator............



    The doors still come off and the windshield still folds down................ Why?

    This is the interior..............



    Can you get that interior wet? Muddy??

    Isn't this what Jeeps are for???




    That is NOT a Jeep Gladiator! THIS is a Jeep Gladiator pickup. It's a 4 door Jeep Scrambler.

    THIS is a Jeep Gladiator pickup truck!

    And with a 327 c.i. 4bbl and 4 speed trans. they were a nice truck.

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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #19
    Tugar said:
    https://www.dirtlegal.com/blog/2018/7/15/a-street-legal-roxor-will-save-time-money-and-your-marriage

    See if your state will allow you to add some parts to make it legal. I've built a few dune buggies over the years and had to jump through a few legal hoops

    Now you're talking! I wonder how much hassle it would be in Florida.
    And I wonder if the transfer case can be converted to twin stick.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • JKPJKP Senior Member Posts: 2,247 Senior Member
    tennmike said:
    jbp-ohio said:
    This is the new Gladiator............



    The doors still come off and the windshield still folds down................ Why?

    This is the interior..............



    Can you get that interior wet? Muddy??

    Isn't this what Jeeps are for???




    That is NOT a Jeep Gladiator! THIS is a Jeep Gladiator pickup. It's a 4 door Jeep Scrambler.

    THIS is a Jeep Gladiator pickup truck!

    And with a 327 c.i. 4bbl and 4 speed trans. they were a nice truck.

    Love the style of those old Gladiators! 
  • earlyagainearlyagain Posts: 6,749 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #21
    THIS is a Jeep Gladiator pickup truck!

    And with a 327 c.i. 4bbl and 4 speed trans. they were a nice truck.

    The grill is almost reminiscent of the pre war Graham Sharknose cars.
  • terminator012terminator012 Senior Member Posts: 3,929 Senior Member
    To me that's where Jeep screwed up. All though my 4.0 has plenty of torque they should have stayed with V8 power. Friends of mine have put 350's in their TJ's and it's a great set up. The 2007 and up 4 doors should have came from factory with them. That new Gladiator needs a Hemi.
  • orchidmanorchidman Senior Member Posts: 8,111 Senior Member
    To me that's where Jeep screwed up. All though my 4.0 has plenty of torque they should have stayed with V8 power. Friends of mine have put 350's in their TJ's and it's a great set up. The 2007 and up 4 doors should have came from factory with them. That new Gladiator needs a Hemi.
    Amen.
    If they brought out a V8 in a Rubicon etc I would be first in line to order one.........
    Still enjoying the trip of a lifetime and making the best of what I have.....
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    orchidman said:If they brought out a V8 in a Rubicon etc I would be first in line to order one.........

    All it takes is money............... https://www.rubitrux.com/rubitrux-jeep-wrangler-jk-hemi-upgrade.html



    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • SpkSpk Senior Member Posts: 3,966 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #25
    jbp-ohio said:
    orchidman said:If they brought out a V8 in a Rubicon etc I would be first in line to order one.........

    All it takes is money............... https://www.rubitrux.com/rubitrux-jeep-wrangler-jk-hemi-upgrade.html



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  • dlddld Member Posts: 412 Member
    zorba said:
    Now *that* is a goddamn Jeep. No stupid electronics, no stupid automatic transmission, no stupid anything. 3 or 4 gearshift levers (can't tell from these pix), what fun!

    its a 3 speed transmission
  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    dld said:
    its a 3 speed transmission
    Yes. The question is, does it have an over drive? 3 shift levers or 4?
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jaywaptijaywapti Senior Member Posts: 4,958 Senior Member
    Having owned Jeeps and 4WD most of my life and done extensive mods on most i think the best changes were electronic ignition and fuel injection, driving from sea level to the Rocky Mts. I no longer had to change carb jets. All the newer ones have to much electronics, push button vacuum shifting, etc. If I were to get another Jeep it would be an older one, TJ or earlier and re-build it with a Golen 4.6L 270 hp, 4:1 TC, 4.56 axles with Ox lockers, close to my last TJ. No, i dont think the new ones will hold up to serious 4 wheeling. 

    JAY
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  • zorbazorba Senior Member Posts: 23,663 Senior Member
    If I were to build my dream Jeep, it'd have a GMC Big Block V6 - probably the 305, but maybe the 351, coupled to an SM-420 4 speed transmission. Yea, I'd put an electronic module in instead of points, but nothing else. A real rock crawler.
    -Zorba, "The Veiled Male"

    "If you get it and didn't work for it, someone else worked for it and didn't get it..."
  • jbp-ohiojbp-ohio Senior Member Posts: 10,164 Senior Member
    edited February 2019 #30
    Spk said:Preppies with Man Buns need not apply!
    :D
    Well........ since it all a dream anyway.

    Mopar just released this crate engine at SEMA. They even had a custom car made to showcase it.... The Super Charger

    "The democracy will cease to exist when you take away from those who are willing to work and give to those who would not." Thomas Jefferson
  • tennmiketennmike Senior Member Posts: 27,395 Senior Member
    My old Jeep Scrambler had a big electronic ignition module in it. It died. No replacement module was available from dealer or aftermarket and I couldn't find a working one in any Jeep in the junkyards. So I replaced the distributor and went with the old coil, points, and condenser. All that electronic crapola is just fine, until it dies and you can't find a replacement part because they're no longer made.
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